Rolando McClain to sign with Ravens?

[CARavensFan]

[quote name='DMH_in_WA' timestamp='1365218735' post='1426247']
In my mind, undisciplined players means poor coaching. And I think that the personal fouls for Pollard did play a small role in his being released, but I think the main reason is that he was a safety who let 75% of all balls thrown to his responsibility result in a catch. If that number was more like 30%, 40% or even 50%; I think Pollard is still a Raven.

Priority one for a Safety should be that he can cover a receiver.
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Exactly, I seem to remember an LB on our team who was getting ripped for undisciplined play, but Harbs set him straight and eventually he became a very productive player; some people were even saying that if we didn't resign him this offseason our defense wouldn't be the same.

[i]Hint: Ellerbe[/i]

[CARavensFan]

[quote name='NaveSenrag' timestamp='1365218877' post='1426250']
Do we really want two ILB's named McClain?
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We had 3 Lewis' at one point. I would be R. McClain and J. McClain, heck we used to have an L. McClain as well.

[GrimCoconut]

I don't mind this idea. I haven't read 4 pages of this thread, but I have an idea as to what responses have been given so far. I will say this:

1. Wouldn't mind McClain--if he's cheap.
2. Wouldn't mind McClain if his character checks out OK.
3. Wouldn't mind McClain as a camp body.
4. Wouldn't mind McClain signing with the Rams, Bears, Giants, Vikings instead, so we don't miss out on Brown, Te'o, Ogletree, Minter, etc. Lol. I won't lie here. Haha.

I think McClain could be a good signing. It just depends. I trust in the FO to make the right choice. He can't be garbage.

[Ravenseconbeast]

Well at least that talk about trading for Rolando is off.

If he can't find a suitor, I can see him as a viable pick up for minimum.

Browns are interested in him though. Guess we'll wait.

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1365225325' post='1426356']
I don't mind this idea. I haven't read 4 pages of this thread, but I have an idea as to what responses have been given so far. I will say this:

1. Wouldn't mind McClain--if he's cheap.
2. Wouldn't mind McClain if his character checks out OK.
3. Wouldn't mind McClain as a camp body.
4. Wouldn't mind McClain signing with the Rams, Bears, Giants, Vikings instead, so we don't miss out on Brown, Te'o, Ogletree, Minter, etc. Lol. I won't lie here. Haha.

I think McClain could be a good signing. It just depends. I trust in the FO to make the right choice. He can't be garbage.
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I vote for number 4. While I agree overall and generally give Raiders castoffs the benefit of the doubt because of that ugly situation out there, I don't think McClain becomes a Raven. Imo too much is going against it. The Ravens aren't shy about giving guys a second chance after legal issues but I don't think they'll touch a guy with his off field issues.

From a talent standpoint i'd like to see him added, but I don't think he fits the direction of the team. I'd much rather draft one of the guys you mentioned and have Carr, Bynes and others fill in around him.

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1365228338' post='1426370']
I vote for number 4. While I agree overall and generally give Raiders castoffs the benefit of the doubt because of that ugly situation out there, I don't think McClain becomes a Raven. Imo too much is going against it. The Ravens aren't shy about giving guys a second chance after legal issues but I don't think they'll touch a guy with his off field issues.

From a talent standpoint i'd like to see him added, but I don't think he fits the direction of the team. I'd much rather draft one of the guys you mentioned and have Carr, Bynes and others fill in around him.
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To be honest, so would I, lol. I would love for him to eliminate a competitor for a LB in round 1. I think it's possible, but the only team I think that would take him would be the Rams or Bengals.

We can only hope.

[stephan miquel]

This is a great fit..Wow look how things could shape up..loss Kruger sign DOOM to less money and he is an upgrade...Loss Ellerby sign McClain for way less, and as a top 10 pick in 2010 I cant imagine he would not be an upgrade especially in our system under great leadership..[url="http://boards.baltimoreravens.com/user/22368-horus13corvineus/"][b][color="#42205d"]horus13corvineus[/color][/b][/url] This is the offseason so he dont need to clear waivers..he is open to sign with whoever he choose too. Sign him we fill a spot we would have used in the draft..

[Guest Mr. Nobody]

[quote name='stephan miquel' timestamp='1365254793' post='1426459']
This is a great fit..Wow look how things could shape up..loss Kruger sign DOOM to less money and he is an upgrade...Loss Ellerby sign McClain for way less, and as a top 10 pick in 2010 I cant imagine he would not be an upgrade especially in our system under great leadership..[url="http://boards.baltimoreravens.com/user/22368-horus13corvineus/"][b][color=#42205d]horus13corvineus[/color][/b][/url] This is the offseason so he dont need to clear waivers..he is open to sign with whoever he choose too. Sign him we fill a spot we would have used in the draft..
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he needs to clear waivers as he hasn't been in the league enough to qualify as free agent from start, please see initial link i posted for confirmation

[CapoRocky]

[quote name='NaveSenrag' timestamp='1365218877' post='1426250']
Do we really want two ILB's named McClain?
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I don't mind as long as we can fit him into the schemes and he produces on the field.

[Stephenjr]

I just don't like bringing in guys that come from losing organizations(Lee Evans) They can spread there loser disease all over are home grown Ravens!!Ravens are winners and I would like to keep it that way!!

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1365252406' post='1426444']

To be honest, so would I, lol. I would love for him to eliminate a competitor for a LB in round 1. I think it's possible, but the only team I think that would take him would be the Rams or Bengals.

We can only hope.
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I think he'll get a decent amount of interest. Reports are that he told the Raiders not to draft him because he wanted to be close to home. But considering all his off field issues have come when he's in Bama, it might be best for him to change that stance. I could see Min, Chi, Hou and the 2 teams you named. I'm starting to get the feel that despite the recent buzz picking up again for Te'o, that he Minter and Ogletree are all gonna play second fiddle to A. Brown.

I don't think as many teams will be looking for ILBs as the experts think. I fell pass rushers, WRs and DTs will be popular in that 20-32 range and that'll allow at least 2 ILBs to drop to the Ravens. Which will give the Ravens the option to trade back imo.

If McClain goes to one of those teams who may be willing to take a ILB after 20, it'd definitely help the Ravens.

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1365256952' post='1426498']
I think he'll get a decent amount of interest. Reports are that he told the Raiders not to draft him because he wanted to be close to home. But considering all his off field issues have come when he's in Bama, it might be best for him to change that stance. I could see Min, Chi, Hou and the 2 teams you named. I'm starting to get the feel that despite the recent buzz picking up again for Te'o, that he Minter and Ogletree are all gonna play second fiddle to A. Brown.

I don't think as many teams will be looking for ILBs as the experts think. I fell pass rushers, WRs and DTs will be popular in that 20-32 range and that'll allow at least 2 ILBs to drop to the Ravens. Which will give the Ravens the option to trade back imo.

If McClain goes to one of those teams who may be willing to take a ILB after 20, it'd definitely help the Ravens.
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The problem with Chicago is their GM, Emery, expects a 1st & 2nd round pick to start. So, essentially whoever he drafts would need to be a position of need. He also said that you can find guards later, so it's not out of the question he takes a guard, but I wouldn't expect him to do so. Chicago & New York Giants as well as the Vikings are probably our biggest competition for Arthur Brown. The Jags could trade ahead of us as well if they really wanted, possibly with San Fran who would have back-to-back picks at that point. The Jags have shown interest in Brown.

With all that said, I don't know about what you said. I personally think Brown's the best in the class, but when you have a class that also includes Te'o & Ogletree, as well as Minter, Alonso, & Greene, it's hard to say that a team must take a LB in the 1st. Ogletree is probably a better prospect than Brown, due to the way he can make plays on the ball as well as his instincts & ability to play LB. I'm personally not big on him myself, but I can see Chicago or the Giants take him over Brown even with the character concerns.

I'm optimistic that Brown falls to us, but it's entirely realistic he is gone before we pick. This entire class is enigmatic, as I think production mostly takes second place to potential. What I mean by that is I feel prospects with production will be overlooked for those with high potential.

Back on the subject of Rolando, though: I feel he would be a good addition to the team. My only question are his character concerns, but a winning atmosphere can change that. He did come from Alabama, a team used to winning--where winning is every year. Some guys are ultra competitive to the point where if they are losing they begin to go crazy. Sure, you can say that's a really bad sign, but I doubt we will lose every year like the Raiders.

Even if we have a down year, I think we'll rebound the next. So, with all that said, I don't think McClain would be a bad fit here when viewed holistically.

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='Stephenjr' timestamp='1365256581' post='1426491']
I just don't like bringing in guys that come from losing organizations(Lee Evans) They can spread there loser disease all over are home grown Ravens!!Ravens are winners and I would like to keep it that way!!
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The Ravens have had far more success with guys from losing organizations then those who have failed imo. Although the Texans had one playoff appearance, they weren't a picture of success. Pollard, Leach and JJ helped us. At the time Cary Williams joined the team, the Titans weren't really a winning team. Cory Redding, Kelly Greg, Willis McGahee all came from losing organizations, hell Redding came from the 0-16 Lions.

I'm not saying the Ravens will or should sign McClain, but him much like Huff coming from a losing organizations like the Raiders won't matter

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1365257761' post='1426514']

The problem with Chicago is their GM, Emery, expects a 1st & 2nd round pick to start. So, essentially whoever he drafts would need to be a position of need. He also said that you can find guards later, so it's not out of the question he takes a guard, but I wouldn't expect him to do so. Chicago & New York Giants as well as the Vikings are probably our biggest competition for Arthur Brown. The Jags could trade ahead of us as well if they really wanted, possibly with San Fran who would have back-to-back picks at that point. The Jags have shown interest in Brown.

With all that said, I don't know about what you said. I personally think Brown's the best in the class, but when you have a class that also includes Te'o & Ogletree, as well as Minter, Alonso, & Greene, it's hard to say that a team must take a LB in the 1st. Ogletree is probably a better prospect than Brown, due to the way he can make plays on the ball as well as his instincts & ability to play LB. I'm personally not big on him myself, but I can see Chicago or the Giants take him over Brown even with the character concerns.

I'm optimistic that Brown falls to us, but it's entirely realistic he is gone before we pick. This entire class is enigmatic, as I think production mostly takes second place to potential. What I mean by that is I feel prospects with production will be overlooked for those with high potential.

Back on the subject of Rolando, though: I feel he would be a good addition to the team. My only question are his character concerns, but a winning atmosphere can change that. He did come from Alabama, a team used to winning--where winning is every year. Some guys are ultra competitive to the point where if they are losing they begin to go crazy. Sure, you can say that's a really bad sign, but I doubt we will lose every year like the Raiders.

Even if we have a down year, I think we'll rebound the next. So, with all that said, I don't think McClain would be a bad fit here when viewed holistically.
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This is what makes the draft so exciting to me. I'm not as high on Ogeltree either, but I could easily see him being the first ILB/4-3 OLB taken.

I definitely agree with the potential over production view. I feel that's why so many are down on Te'o because his measurable don't lead to you thinking his ceiling is high. But if you put the guy on field day one, he'll be a productive starter imo. So what grades higher Potential or Production? When you're talking 1st round, Production wins out for me because I know what you are instead of banking on what you might become.

Back to McClain the guy is definitely talented and if things don't play out the way the Ravens hope in the draft I could definitely see this guy added. I think he'd thrive here surrounded with the talent we have and 23 yrs old the guy still has time to develop into a impact player. I could actually see a scenario where a ILB is drafted and then McClain is still added for cheap.

McClain just provides another option and Ozzie loves options

[dhstandard]

[quote name='jaege' timestamp='1365203461' post='1426062']
Ahh. The dismissal. Well played. I was almost annoyed by that. Almost.

What conversation were you trying to have? That Rolando (whom you have been fond of for a really long time) could possibly fill a vital role on the team? How is that different from all the other fans who have their favorite player that they have been mooning over for a really long time and that they feel certain could fill a vital role if only Ozzie would pick them up? Are their opinions less valid than yours? Or are you "done with them too" because they "cannot have a decent conversation"?

I will concede, I really know nothing about this player. He may very well be able to fill that vital role. Again.[u] Not the point.[/u]

To be bluntly honest, it is annoying that every time a player gets cut by another team someone here feels the need to promote him as a potential addition to the roster. Its very unrealistic.
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By that logic we would never sign a free agent ever.

[stephan miquel]

For everyone who thinks we should pass him up you are foolish...what do we have to lose? Bring him in now before the draft and have a sit down with him to see where his head is. You dont have to give him a signing bonus or a big contract because oakland is paying him...He played for one of the best if not the best college program there is so going to Oakland can take the life out of anybody. He can now play for the best organization in the NFL and get back to his winning ways. This would be a steal for us if he come in renewed. And as far as the off the field problems. He was 20-21 when he came to the league. He is still a kid. The thing about that is he can learn from his mistakes its not to late..Hell im sure he knows what our GREATEST MLB of all times had to go thru and look how his career turned out..NOT SO BAD..he can step in with the same chip on his shoulder to prove to the world that he is different then what they percieved. #TEAMOZZIE #ROLANDOWILLBEABEASTINPURPLE

next to Bynes

[TonyTone1192]

[quote name='Stephenjr' timestamp='1365195653' post='1425919']
Did you see Oakland Defense last year.We already got the only player that has any future on there defense and that is Huff.Mclain is no better then the Mclain we already have!!
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I agree.. I think a majority of our fan base that wants him is b/c he was a first round draft pick, what they seem to forget is that not every 1st rounder has a promising career. He's athletic, yes. But I don't see him helping solve our ILB issues and I bet Oz agrees.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='Stephenjr' timestamp='1365256581' post='1426491']
I just don't like bringing in guys that come from losing organizations(Lee Evans) They can spread there loser disease all over are home grown Ravens!!Ravens are winners and I would like to keep it that way!!
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So you wouldn't have brought in Pollard, Jacoby Jones or Vonta Leach (one winning season in Houston), Derrick Mason (half of his seasons in Tennessee were losses), or Elvis Dumervil (one winning season in Denver)?

[Ravenslifer]

I don't think people appreciate that Rolando will only be 24 years old in July. Some guys it takes a long time for them to figure it out, and the right organization to help them do so.

[Stephenjr]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1365271941' post='1426665']
So you wouldn't have brought in Pollard, Jacoby Jones or Vonta Leach (one winning season in Houston), Derrick Mason (half of his seasons in Tennessee were losses), or Elvis Dumervil (one winning season in Denver)?
[/quote]You have no clue what you are talking about!! Mason,played with the Titans when they were very good,and for the Texas guys,they were brought in from an Organization that has been on the rise for a while now!!Elvis has been a leader even when Denver had bad seasons,plus he has had more then 1 winning season!! Rolondo Mcclain is not a winner!! He has character issues and has never been a baller in the NFL!!

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='Stephenjr' timestamp='1365275257' post='1426689']
You have no clue what you are talking about!! Mason,played with the Titans when they were very good,and for the Texas guys,they were brought in from an Organization that has been on the rise for a while now!!Elvis has been a leader even when Denver had bad seasons,plus he has had more then 1 winning season!! Rolondo Mcclain is not a winner!! He has character issues and has never been a baller in the NFL!!
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It's easy to say he isn't a winner but he came from a winning college football program. Perhaps the losing in Oakland affected him because he was so used to winning & didn't have the coaching or support to get the most out of him.

[CMC]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1365272106' post='1426666']
I don't think people appreciate that Rolando will only be 24 years old in July. Some guys it takes a long time for them to figure it out, and the right organization to help them do so.
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Exactly. The only question is if he has the maturity to become a team player on and off the field. We took a shot on Jimmy Smith who fell to us because of maturity issues and has been a model citizen (from what I have heard) since he arrived in Baltimore. I know Jimmy's issues stopped in his later years at Colorado and Rolando's have continued into his procareer, but maybe Rolando is ready to turn a new page in his life also.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='Stephenjr' timestamp='1365275257' post='1426689']
You have no clue what you are talking about!! [b]Mason,played with the Titans when they were very good[/b],and for the Texas guys,they were brought in from an Organization that has been on the rise for a while now!!Elvis has been a leader even when Denver had bad seasons,[b]plus he has had more then 1 winning seaso[/b]n!! Rolondo Mcclain is not a winner!! He has character issues and has never been a baller in the NFL!!
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Nope - Derrick Mason played for the Titans from 1997-2004 - they had a losing record in half of those seasons, good seasons in 1999, 2000, 2003, 2004, finished 3rd or 4th in the division the rest of the time - just because they went to a Superbowl doesn't mean they were a consistently good team. Elvis Dumervil was drafted in 2006 - the only winning season the Broncos have had since 2006 was last year. Houston is on the rise? - Leach's last season there they went 6-10, Jacoby's last season there was the only time they ever made the playoffs. It's obvious that you really don't know what you're talking about. Just because someone comes from a losing team doesn't mean they're not good. By that logic, if Calvin Johnson was a free agent you wouldn't want him because he comes from another "losing" franchise.

[Stephenjr]

[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1365276210' post='1426696']
It's easy to say he isn't a winner but he came from a winning college football program. Perhaps the losing in Oakland affected him because he was so used to winning & didn't have the coaching or support to get the most out of him.
[/quote]I agree there.He was an Alabama guy but some College greats just are not so great in the NFL

[Stephenjr]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1365276627' post='1426699']
Nope - Derrick Mason played for the Titans from 1997-2004 - they had a losing record in half of those seasons, good seasons in 1999, 2000, 2003, 2004, finished 3rd or 4th in the division the rest of the time - just because they went to a Superbowl doesn't mean they were a consistently good team. Elvis Dumervil was drafted in 2006 - the only winning season the Broncos have had since 2006 was last year. Just because someone comes from a losing team doesn't mean they're not good. By that logic, if Calvin Johnson was a free agent you wouldn't want him because he comes from another "losing" franchise.
[/quote]Buddy,1st,your missing my point!! Mason was a beast even if you say they only had a couple good seasons as a team,2nd Dumervil has been to the playoffs 2 years in a row,so why would I sit here and debate anything with you when you can't even get recent info correct!!!! Point blank,Mclain is a LOSER!! He is not a Beast on a crappy team,He was part of the crap on the crapy team!!

[Stephenjr]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1365276627' post='1426699']
Nope - Derrick Mason played for the Titans from 1997-2004 - they had a losing record in half of those seasons, good seasons in 1999, 2000, 2003, 2004, finished 3rd or 4th in the division the rest of the time - just because they went to a Superbowl doesn't mean they were a consistently good team. Elvis Dumervil was drafted in 2006 - the only winning season the Broncos have had since 2006 was last year. Houston is on the rise? - Leach's last season there they went 6-10, Jacoby's last season there was the only time they ever made the playoffs. It's obvious that you really don't know what you're talking about. Just because someone comes from a losing team doesn't mean they're not good. By that logic, if Calvin Johnson was a free agent you wouldn't want him because he comes from another "losing" franchise.
[/quote]I would take a beast from a crapy team but not the crap from a crapy team!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='Stephenjr' timestamp='1365277357' post='1426707']
Buddy,1st,your missing my point!! Mason was a beast even if you say they only had a couple good seasons as a team,2nd Dumervil has been to the playoffs 2 years in a row,so why would I sit here and debate anything with you when you can't even get recent info correct!!!! Point blank,Mclain is a LOSER!! He is not a Beast on a crappy team,He was part of the crap on the crapy team!!
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No you're missing my point - you're assertion is that he's a bad player because he played on a bad team. I'm saying nobody really knows that because he played on a bad team, nobody's ever seen him when he was put in a situation to succeed i.e. Jacoby Jones from his time in Texas to what he did now. It's very foolish to say because a guy plays for a losing team that he's not talented.

[Stephenjr]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1365277585' post='1426709']
No you're missing my point - you're assertion is that he's a bad player because he played on a bad team. I'm saying nobody really knows that because he played on a bad team, nobody's ever seen him when he was put in a situation to succeed i.e. Jacoby Jones from his time in Texas to what he did now. It's very foolish to say because a guy plays for a losing team that he's not talented.
[/quote]He has alot of character issues and was said to be nothing but problems to the Oakland coaches.We don't need that type of player with all the young players coming from the draft this year!!

[Stephenjr]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1365277585' post='1426709']
No you're missing my point - you're assertion is that he's a bad player because he played on a bad team. I'm saying nobody really knows that because he played on a bad team, nobody's ever seen him when he was put in a situation to succeed i.e. Jacoby Jones from his time in Texas to what he did now. It's very foolish to say because a guy plays for a losing team that he's not talented.
[/quote]Also,if we were to sign him then there is no way we bring Flacco's insurance back.Mckinnie will not be a Raven.Then Flacco gets killed all year!!

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='Stephenjr' timestamp='1365277943' post='1426711']
Also,if we were to sign him then there is no way we bring Flacco's insurance back.Mckinnie will not be a Raven.Then Flacco gets killed all year!!
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Lol. God help Joe Flacco & the Ravens if Bryant McKinnie is going to be the sole reason Flacco does not get killed this year.