Michael Oher's contract

[ravensdan]

Back to top if oher can improve on his pass blocking numbers with a full year at right tackle he may be well worth a 7 mil per yr or so investment. Here is a link to an article examining pressure from the right and left which illustrates the importance of strong pass blocking on both sides.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/04/15/examining-pressure/

[Fred Sanford]

I'd resign Oher for 4 years, 18 mil, but no more, and partly because we don't have any proven options behind him.  When I rewatch our games, he's up there with Suggs and Ngata among players who take the most plays off and put in a half-hearted effort.  Suggs and Ngata have a small excuse with injuries, though that still doesn't really explain taking plays off.  Art Jones is at the opposite end of the spectrum, he's no JJ Watt but the guy truly seems to give 100%.

 

Oher did well in the playoffs, also against DeMarcus Ware earlier in the year, but also gave up game-losing sack/strips to Trent Cole and one of many throughout his career to James Harrison.  You can't pay 7 mil + to a guy who's good one week, potentially losing you the game the next.  Flacco's pocket awareness and escapability suddenly and inexplicably went through the roof in the postseason, making our whole o-line look better than it was, outside the Patriots game because their pass rush was flaccid in any case.

[CARavensFan]

I can see both sides of the argument for and against oher. But I found a few eye open inning stats. Ohers run blocking has been continually mentioned as his strong suit but according to pff he accumulated a negative run blocking rating in every playoff game last year. In fact he complied a -17 run blocking rating for the year. He actually performed better in pass blocking. He had an average to slightly above average pass blocking rating in the playoffs and finished the year with a +3.7. Slightly above average.

In comparison to the aforementioned players

Oher overall -5.9 57th overall
Pass block -.8 or 51st overall
Run block -6 or 70th overall
Clabo overall +21.3 or 14th overall
Pass block +12.3or 23rd
Run block +5.5 or 21st
Winston overall +13.1 or 26th
Pass block+8.0 or 24th
Run block +7.2 or 13th

 

I would remind you that is those are all last years stats then they are based on him playing LT which he was doing until the playoff run, I would be interested in similar stats during the playoffs once he wen back to RT.

[GrimCoconut]

Clabo just got 3.5M for one year. Granted he is older than Oher but he also ranked higher than Oher according to PFF.

We might be able to get Oher for 3.5-4.5M/year average.

[CARavensFan]

Clabo just got 3.5M for one year. Granted he is older than Oher but he also ranked higher than Oher according to PFF.

We might be able to get Oher for 3.5-4.5M/year average.

 

However, bear in mind that Oher is younger than Clabo and has the ability to play (if not play great) LT which will bump his price up a bit more.

[GrimCoconut]

However, bear in mind that Oher is younger than Clabo and has the ability to play (if not play great) LT which will bump his price up a bit more.

I think I did mention that Clabo is older. And of course. That's why I think 4.5 would be a fair IMO.

[CARavensFan]

I think I did mention that Clabo is older. And of course. That's why I think 4.5 would be a fair IMO.

 

Agreed, sorry I missed the part where you mentioned his age. I'm still guessing that they're going to shoot closer to $5 mil or more because of his playing time at LT. While his natural postion (and better one as well) is RT, the fact that he's played pretty close to even time between both spots is going to give his agent ammo to argue for more $$.

 

Needless to say it should be interesting to watch!

[CapoRocky]

Oher is entering his most productive years in the NFL. The second contract is usually the big payday for players, so don't look for him to give us any hometown discount. We don't want him to go the way of Grubbs. I see Oher as being a very productive RT for another 5-6 years. He is only making $2M this season. Pay him and keep him!

[izvoodoo]

Extend Oher and Pitta now.....

 

Franchise Jones next season

As much as I like Arthur Jones, I don't know if he's worth a franchise tag.  I'd say Jones and Pitta are taking precedence over oher.

[GrimCoconut]

I'm not sure we will be keeping Arthur Jones. I like him a lot but we have a lot of defensive linemen. We just signed Spears & Canty. We just drafted Williams and I know he is a NT not DE but we also have a ton of money invested in Ngata. McPhee is also going to be a free agent in two years. We have DeAngelo as well.

I hope we re-sign both McPhee & Jones. Just doubtful it happens.

[CARavensFan]

I'm not sure we will be keeping Arthur Jones. I like him a lot but we have a lot of defensive linemen. We just signed Spears & Canty. We just drafted Williams and I know he is a NT not DE but we also have a ton of money invested in Ngata. McPhee is also going to be a free agent in two years. We have DeAngelo as well.

I hope we re-sign both McPhee & Jones. Just doubtful it happens.

 

Spears and Canty signed 2 and 3 years deals respectively so they aren't going to be around long-term, expcially when they are both over 30 years old. Remember that they both signed very economical deals as well, if memory serves Spears was $3.5 and Canty was $8, which leaves us with room to reason both.

 

However, I would agree with you on one point, I think that if they ended up having to choose between McPhee and Jones they will most likely go with McPhee because of his passrush postential.

 

Side Note: Just a slightly randomn thought, they might not have to pick though it they move McPhee more to a T. Suggs-type role, it would free up more space on the D-Line. Like I said randomn thought that occured while I was writing the post.

[msufan]

@clarionledger: Westboro Baptist Church takes aim at Ole Miss, 'The Blind Side' http://t.co/ZK2OEIjY1o

[hawkprey]

I think making a movie about Oher was a curse. They turned him into a celebrity after one year in the league. Not surprisingly his play went down ever since. Why they decided to make a movie about him so early is beyond me. What if he had a career-ending injury that year? Or if he turned out terrible and got cut the year after? Or how about if he turned out to be an incredible player? Then a movie about his life would be way more interesting.

[GrimCoconut]

I think making a movie about Oher was a curse. They turned him into a celebrity after one year in the league. Not surprisingly his play went down ever since. Why they decided to make a movie about him so early is beyond me. What if he had a career-ending injury that year? Or if he turned out terrible and got cut the year after? Or how about if he turned out to be an incredible player? Then a movie about his life would be way more interesting.

I don't necessarily disagree. I felt it premature. I think they were captivated by his story, so they seized opportunity. Not that I agree, of course.

[CARavensFan]

I think making a movie about Oher was a curse. They turned him into a celebrity after one year in the league. Not surprisingly his play went down ever since. Why they decided to make a movie about him so early is beyond me. What if he had a career-ending injury that year? Or if he turned out terrible and got cut the year after? Or how about if he turned out to be an incredible player? Then a movie about his life would be way more interesting.

 

They definitely hyped the "destined for greatness in the NFL" angle, but I think the moive is still great even if he doesn't because the second coming of JO because his story of how he got to college is still inspiring, any further success would just be a bonus.

[billick]

My take is Oher is an excellant player, if he can pick up whom he is to block.

 

Give him a spot, and put him in it, lets go.

[Yatagarasu]

Oher knows this is his contract year and he will work hard to get that 2nd contract. Strong RT money are around $6 million, however, it seems teams aren't looking for RT as much as LT. However, his versatility might drive up his price. I doubt Ozzie will pay Oher LT money, but it only takes one team to offer that contract. Therefore, we have to wait and see how Oher turns out in his 5th year.

[Guest nflfan123]

I wouldn't give Oher more than four years 20 million

[GrimCoconut]

Ravens assistant GM Eric DeCosta says second-year OL Kelechi Osemele has the "skill set to be an outstanding right tackle."

Osemele, the No. 60 overall pick in last year's draft, started all 16 regular season games at right tackle as a rookie before moving to left guard for the playoffs. With Bryant McKinnie back in the fold, Osemele will focus on left guard as a sophomore. But left tackle-turned-right tackle Michael Oher is scheduled to be a free agent next offseason, and there have been no talks of a long-term deal.

 

Just read on Rotoworld. Maybe we let Big Mike go? Hmmm,.... That would explain why we have all these interior OL guys on the team. We have a ridiculous amount of guards on this team right now.

[JO_75]

You think Oher could be given the Franchise Tag?

[GrimCoconut]

You think Oher could be given the Franchise Tag?

For what reason?

[msufan]

For what reason?

to waste a tag.

[Yatagarasu]

franchise tag?

 

Only if he makes All-Pro at LT. Anything less, then no.

[SecretAgentMan]

@clarionledger: Westboro Baptist Church takes aim at Ole Miss, 'The Blind Side' http://t.co/ZK2OEIjY1o

They hate everyone. Even themselves

[Yatagarasu]

Oher's two years as LTs in 2010 and 2012.

 

2012: 38 sacks - LT: Oher

2011: 33 sacks - LT: McKinnie

2010: 40 sacks - LT: Oher

2009: 36 sacks - LT: Gaither

2008: 33 sacks - LT: Gaither

 

I think our front office already decided Oher isn't going to be a premier LT from the analysis of the four years he's been here. 

[GrimCoconut]

Oher's two years as LTs in 2010 and 2012.

2012: 38 sacks - LT:
2011: 33 sacks - LT: McKinnie
[color=#ff0000]2010: 40 sacks - LT: Oher
2009: 36 sacks - LT: Gaither
2008: 33 sacks - LT: Gaither

I think our front office already decided Oher isn't going to be a premier LT from the analysis of the four years he's been here.

You can't look at a broad stat like sacks and use that to judge a lineman. It's not that simple. Some sacks are coverage sacks. Some sacks are intentional. Some sacks are by the player blowing their assignment or the guy next to him blowing his assignment. Some sacks are on Joe.

It's really unfair to judge Oher based solely on sacks allowed by the entire offensive line. After all we had Yanda playing at RT one of those years with an abomination at RG. Grubbs was a good LG but I don't think he helped out Oher as much as KO does McKinnie.

It's just not that simple. That's all.

[Yatagarasu]

You can't look at a broad stat like sacks and use that to judge a lineman. It's not that simple. Some sacks are coverage sacks. Some sacks are intentional. Some sacks are by the player blowing their assignment or the guy next to him blowing his assignment. Some sacks are on Joe.

It's really unfair to judge Oher based solely on sacks allowed by the entire offensive line. After all we had Yanda playing at RT one of those years with an abomination at RG. Grubbs was a good LG but I don't think he helped out Oher as much as KO does McKinnie.

It's just not that simple. That's all.

 

I can say one thing according to the stats. Allowing 38 and 40 sacks are a lot.

[GrimCoconut]

I can say one thing according to the stats. Allowing 38 and 40 sacks are a lot.

I can say one thing about stats: Oher is over guy. He didn't cause all those sacks.

[gabefergy]

You think Oher could be given the Franchise Tag?

I think Pitta will get the Tag if a long term deal isnt reached.

[SecretAgentMan]

I just traded Oher and Streeter for Andre Johnson in Madden...

 

If I can fool a supercomputer than we must be able to fool the GM in real life :P

 

RTs grow on trees. I am not worried