Amplus' Top Ten

[Yatagarasu]

Surprisingly last year, even with Palmer at the helm, the Raiders were a top ten passing offense. They have a young core that should improve, however their QB is questionable, but that's not what I'm ranking upon on the WR ranking.

Tennessee might be the reach here due to the fact that they don't have any proven WR, but they do have a young group that could explode this upcoming season.

[The Oakland Cathedral]

I think the Bengals should at least be one of the T-10 teams for receiving corps since I do have AJ Green, Harry Douglas, Randy Moss, Touchdown Tommy, Mellette, and Gresham.

[arnie_uk]

I think I'm a bit to high in passing tbf, I have very little after my top two wideouts. The draft just didnt pan out as I hoped in regards receivers. Was hoping to snag Patton and multiple trades for reggie Wayne fell through. That was my ideal top four.

By I suppose I have manning and a decent set of tight ends In Jacob Tamme and James casey. Still a few slot wideouts left it his draft that I may target.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='Corvus Amplus' timestamp='1365022671' pot='1423817']


they were low in the rushing ranking was due to the fact that their coach was missing, their defense was a farce, and their RBs were all nursing injuries.

The year before, they had a top five rushing attack. I believe Wilson, Sproles, Ball are just as talented as the 2011 crew of Thomas, Ivory, Ingram, and Sproles.
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They also lost Carl Nicks and had a healthy Zach Strief in 2011 who was an excellent RT for them. They will be very effective running the ball simply because teams have to respect the pass so much and they are strong on the interior, but they are clearly a pass first team.

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[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1365020525' post='1423797']
Let's see here, neither of your tackles are strong run blockers and while your interior line is excellent that alone does not predicate the ability to have a dominant rushinv attack. I believe your line is the same inside as last year which clearly wssnt a top 5 attack then, and I dont see a significant upgrade in your running backs that would make a big difference. The best running attacks are often most effective off tackle and that iz not your lines strongsuit. Your all pro TE is also a non factor in the running game. I don't doubt that your team could run effectively at times, but it shouldn't be the focus of your offense when you have Drew Breeds and 5-6 extremely talented receiving options. I really likd David Wilson and the combination you have is nice with Ball being very effective in college around the goal line, but he isnt a special talent and racked up stats in college largely due to volume and scheme.

As for my team, Lamar Miller was spectacular in limited opportunity behind Reggie Bush last year and has many similarities to Wilson. I have elite run-blockers in Beatty, Incognito, and Pouncey. Scott Wells when healthy has been one of the best run-blocking centers in the NFL which I am sure you are aware of. He struggled last year in limited time because of injury. I also drafted an excellent blocking TE in Kelce who should have immediate impact.

Mostly though, the difference I see is the focus of my offense will be concentrated around the running game while I doubt that is the case with your team. I dobt doubt your running will be effective, but I see a #1 passing attack in NO. Something tells me there are not many teams that will have elite passing attacks and top rushing attacks, at least not total numbers.
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My OTs aren't elite run blockers by any means, but Cherilus did finish with the 8th highest run blocking grade among starting RTs, so he certainly wasn't a slouch. And while Dunlap was my only OL to grade negatively in this facet, he graded out positively in the running game in the two years prior. It wasn't a Top 5 rushing attack because the Saints had the #1 ranked passing attack in the NFL, but they still graded out as the 5th highest run blocking team in the NFL. They also finished with the 12 best YPC of any team, while Miami was 18th. I definitely agree that a running attack would be bolstered by being effective off-tackle, but it isn't the determining factor. Dominant rushing teams like Minnesota, Houston, Washington and Seattle all had one OT who was either an average run blocker, or an outward liability in this department. All of them, however, had standout Centers in 2012, which I don't believe to be a coincidence. You currently have one of the worst from last year on your roster, which puts you at a distinct disadvantage. We've seen firsthand how much the running game bogged down when Matt Birk struggled to keep his assignments at bay, so I'd argue that being stout on the inside is a much higher priority. The point about Graham being a non-factor is easily unsupported. He graded out positively in run blocking with a +1.2. Joel Dreesen finished with a -1.2 on the season. Ball's volume definitely factored into output, but he still averaged 5.66 YPC throughout that span, so it doesn't discount his performance thus far. And I don't at all agree with the scheme point having scouted numerous games of his. I personally like him very much as a prospect, and I see him being a very good spell back.

Miller definitely displayed his upside, no question. But while I like Franklin, I don't see how they account for a Top 10 rushing attack over my current trio. While I absolutely agree about Beatty and Pouncey, Richie Incognito is nowhere near an elite run blocker. He graded out 25th in this department among OGs. Wells was a terrific Center in 2011, but was just above average one in 2009 and 2010, and it's difficult to use the health card when he's going into his 10th season and will be coming off of two knee surgeries within a span of several months. As it stands, he's could be a liability of sorts until proven that he can be effective again. I definitely like the selection of Kelce, as he's a very capable run blocker.

With the pieces that I currently own, having doubt that my running game will be at least effective is completely asinine and wildly unsupported. If we're using the passing attack against my running game, then we can't ignore its defense of it, as none of my RBs will see eight man fronts this season with my talent on the outside. I also don't believe that these rankings are indicative of how much each team will lean on these facets, but rather how capable they are in each department. Outside of Dunlap's struggles in 2012, I have more than enough talent at every position to have a very formidable rushing attack.

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[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1365025876' post='1423871']
They also lost Carl Nicks and had a healthy Zach Strief in 2011 who was an excellent RT for them. They will be very effective running the ball simply because teams have to respect the pass so much and they are strong on the interior, but they are clearly a pass first team.
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They also gained Ben Grubbs, who was one of the best OGs last season, and Gosder Cherilus, who was one of the best RTs last season. The point about being effective simply because of the passing game completely undermines the fact that I have numerous standouts to aid the rushing attack.

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My OTs ardon't even make elite run blockers by any means, but Cherilus did finish with the 8th highest run blocking grade among starting RTs, so he certainly wasn't a slouch. And while Dunlap was my only OL to grade negatively in this facet, he graded out positively in the running game in the two years prior. It wasn't a Top 5 rushing attack because the Saints had the #1 ranked passing attack in the NFL, but they still graded out as the 5th highest run blocking team in the NFL. They also finished with the 12 best YPC of any team, while Miami was 18th. I definitely agree that a running attack would be bolstered by being effective off-tackle, but it isn't the determining factor. Dominant rushing teams like Minnesota, Houston, Washington and Seattle all had one OT who was either an average run blocker, or an outward liability in this department. All of them, however, had standout Centers in 2012, which I don't believe to be a coincidence. You currently have one of the worst from last year on your roster, which puts you at a distinct disadvantage. We've seen firsthand how much the running game bogged down when Matt Birk struggled to keep his assignments at bay, so I'd argue that being stout on the inside is a much higher priority. The point about Graham being a non-factor is easily unsupported. He graded out positively in run blocking with a +1.2. Joel Dreesen finished with a -1.2 on the season. Ball's volume definitely factored into output, but he still averaged 5.66 YPC throughout that span, so it doesn't discount his performance thus far. And I don't at all agree with the scheme point having scouted numerous games of his. I personally like him very much as a prospect, and I see him being a very good spell back.

Miller definitely displayed his upside, no question. But while I like Franklin, I don't see how they account for a Top 10 rushing attack over my current trio. While I absolutely agree about Beatty and Pouncey, Richie Incognito is nowhere near an elite run blocker. He graded out 25th in this department among OGs. Wells was a terrific Center in 2011, but was just above average one in 2009 and 2010, and it's difficult to use the health card when he's going into his 10th season and will be coming off of two knee surgeries within a span of several months. As it stands, he's could be a liability of sorts until proven that he can be effective again. I definitely like the selection of Kelce, as he's a very capable run blocker.

With the pieces that I currently own, having doubt that my running game will be at least effective is completely asinine and wildly unsupported. If we're using the passing attack against my running game, then we can't ignore its defense of it, as none of my RBs will see eight man fronts this season with my talent on the outside. I also don't believe that these rankings are indicative of how much each team will lean on these facets, but rather how capable they are in each department. Outside of Dunlap's struggles in 2012, I have more than enough talent at every position to have a very formidable rushing attack.
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You really like to pick and choose stats to better your argument which is fine. I dont even mind how you put an extreme emphasis on PFF " analysis". I never said that your running game would be bad, simply its not a focus of your team. Your YPC could very well be amongst the best, but I don't see any upgrades on your team from last year except for Wilson who may or may not be a feature back. He has fumbling concerns and questions about pass blocking ability which is why he was so limited last season. He could certainly improve but is by no means a player that jumps your rushing attack from mediocre to #2.

Conversely I added two upper echelon OTs, a center with a proven record as a strong run-blocker, and one of the better blocking TEs in the draft. I would argue adding Franklin is a much more significant addition than Ball as he shows true play-making ability and explosiveness that Ball does not possess. Even if Wells doesn't work out next season, I have the option of sliding Pouncey back in at center where he is among the league's premier players.

[Guest nflfan123]

[quote name='Corvus Amplus' timestamp='1364994299' post='1423466']
Raiders were one of the worst running teams last year.

McFadden is an injury-bust, the Law Firm is an average runningback, McGahee is an aging, but solid back, and Reece is more of a pass catch than runner.

Gio Bernard is a good pick, but I'm not sure how this team will gel with the same offensive line from last year that was horrid in opening up the running game.
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[quote name='Sizzlebshu' timestamp='1364994490' post='1423468']
That may have something to do with the fact that the coach decided to take away the blocking scheme that made his best player a beast. He has since reverted on that position and switched back to the power blocking scheme that Mcfadden dominates.
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Exactly, Greg Knapp (worse OC than Cam Cameron) switched from a PBS scheme to ZBS, which not only hurt McFadden but also the OL. Now that Run DMC will be a beast in the PBS, adding another PBS runner in BGE should make them a top 10 ranked running team alone. Adding McGahee and Gio makes it even deadlier.
Reece is a great pass catcher but also a good runner as he averaged 4.6 ypc last year and is expected to be Oakland's 3DRB next year IRL.

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[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1365028382' post='1423950']
You really like to pick and choose stats to better your argument which is fine. I dont even mind how you put an extreme emphasis on PFF " analysis". I never said that your running game would be bad, simply its not a focus of your team. Your YPC could very well be amongst the best, but I don't see any upgrades on your team from last year except for Wilson who may or may not be a feature back. He has fumbling concerns and questions about pass blocking ability which is why he was so limited last season. He could certainly improve but is by no means a player that jumps your rushing attack from mediocre to #2.

Conversely I added two upper echelon OTs, a center with a proven record as a strong run-blocker, and one of the better blocking TEs in the draft. I would argue adding Franklin is a much more significant addition than Ball as he shows true play-making ability and explosiveness that Ball does not possess. Even if Wells doesn't work out next season, I have the option of sliding Pouncey back in at center where he is among the league's premier players.
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Which ones are you referring to? That I have, but in my defense, there is little to go off of otherwise as there are no individual statistics for run blocking. I fully understand that they're not the perfect source. However, their grades are all that I have at my disposal when ranking the Offensive Linemen from other teams on an individual basis in this facet, as I'm unable to observe the majority of them personally. If you have any other sources to add, I would personally welcome them. Perhaps we have different definition of the term, "effective." Zach Strief struggled as both a pass and run blocker last season, so Cherilus is a very significant upgrade. Wilson certainly had his share of fumbles in Virginia Tech, but they're overblown at this point. He touched the ball 132 times last season and fumbled on a single attempt. It's not the largest sample size, but it's enough to show that he can hold on to the rock much better than anticipated. And while he's not a perfect pass blocker, he did allow 0 pressures, 1 QB hit and 0 sacks on the season while in pass protection. If you're willing to account for performances from the 2011 season, then you have no grounds to dismiss the fact that the Saints ranked 6th in rushing that year. And the point about being mediocre is nothing short of an overstatement. New Orleans had just 370 rushing attempts in 2012, which was the 4th lowest in the entire league, so it would be outright silly to expect them to come close to their totals from the year before. They still graded out as 5th best in run blocking in both seasons, so had they chosen to lean on the running game, they likely would've been successful when doing so. But when your defense is surrendering 28.4 points per contest, it's difficult not to throw put the pigskin in the air early and often. With their defensive struggled, their fall from having the 6th highest TOP to the 6th lowest was a major difference between the disparity of rushing attempts among both season. The blame shouldn't fall on a supposed decreased effectiveness in the running game, especially considering that they were successful when running the football.

I can't argue the first part, although Eric Fischer still has to prove himself before being labeled as an upper echelon OT. However, Scott Wells didn't just struggle with his health, but was also porous in 2012. It could certainly be a byproduct of his health concerns, but it doesn't erase the very plausible possibility of an age related decline. I strongly disagree about the draftees. Montee Ball lacks elite long speed, but he in no shape or form lacks in play-making ability, as I've seen countless big plays that were the result of his own capabilities. Both RBs were incredibly productive in 2012, and both are likely to be 2nd or 3rd round selections, so arguing that the addition of Franklin is much more significant before either has a chance to step on the field is beyond moot. And if Wells doesn't work out in 2013 and Pouncey slides back inside, you'd be forced into likely filling the new-found hole at RG with an average or sub-par player, which would be just as much of an issue as leaving Wells at Center.

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[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1365028382' post='1423950']
You really like to pick and choose stats to better your argument which is fine. I dont even mind how you put an extreme emphasis on PFF " analysis". I never said that your running game would be bad, simply its not a focus of your team. Your YPC could very well be amongst the best, but I don't see any upgrades on your team from last year except for Wilson who may or may not be a feature back. He has fumbling concerns and questions about pass blocking ability which is why he was so limited last season. He could certainly improve but is by no means a player that jumps your rushing attack from mediocre to #2.

Conversely I added two upper echelon OTs, a center with a proven record as a strong run-blocker, and one of the better blocking TEs in the draft. I would argue adding Franklin is a much more significant addition than Ball as he shows true play-making ability and explosiveness that Ball does not possess. Even if Wells doesn't work out next season, I have the option of sliding Pouncey back in at center where he is among the league's premier players.
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Which ones are you referring to? That I have, but in my defense, there is little to go off of otherwise as there are no individual statistics for run blocking. I fully understand that they're not the perfect source. However, their grades are all that I have at my disposal when ranking the Offensive Linemen from other teams on an individual basis in this facet, as I'm unable to observe the majority of them personally. If you have any other sources to add, I would personally welcome them. Perhaps we have different definition of the term, "effective." Zach Strief struggled as both a pass and run blocker last season, so Cherilus is a very significant upgrade. Wilson certainly had his share of fumbles in Virginia Tech, but they're overblown at this point. He touched the ball 132 times last season and fumbled on a single attempt. It's not the largest sample size, but it's enough to show that he can hold on to the rock much better than anticipated. And while he's not a perfect pass blocker, he did allow 0 pressures, 1 QB hit and 0 sacks on the season while in pass protection. If you're willing to account for performances from the 2011 season, then you have no grounds to dismiss the fact that the Saints ranked 6th in rushing that year. And the point about being mediocre is nothing short of an overstatement. New Orleans had just 370 rushing attempts in 2012, which was the 4th lowest in the entire league, so it would be outright silly to expect them to come close to their totals from the year before. They still graded out as 5th best in run blocking in both seasons, so had they chosen to lean on the running game, they likely would've been successful when doing so. But when your defense is surrendering 28.4 points per contest, it's difficult not to throw put the pigskin in the air early and often. With their defensive struggling, their fall from having the 6th highest TOP to the 6th lowest was a major difference between the disparity of rushing attempts among both season. The blame shouldn't fall on a supposed decreased effectiveness in the running game, especially considering that they were successful when running the football.

I can't argue the first part, although Eric Fischer still has to prove himself before being labeled as an upper echelon OT. However, Scott Wells didn't just struggle with his health, but was also porous in 2012. It could certainly be a byproduct of his health concerns, but it doesn't erase the very plausible possibility of an age related decline. I strongly disagree about the draftees. Montee Ball lacks elite long speed, but he in no shape or form lacks in play-making ability, as I've seen countless big plays that were the result of his own capabilities. Both RBs were incredibly productive in 2012, and both are likely to be 2nd or 3rd round selections, so arguing that the addition of Franklin is much more significant before either has a chance to step on the field is beyond moot. And if Wells doesn't work out in 2013 and Pouncey slides back inside, you'd be forced into likely filling the new-found hole at RG with an average or sub-par player, which would be just as much of an issue as leaving Wells at Center.

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[quote name='-Truth-' timestamp='1365040406' post='1424271']
Which ones are you referring to? That I have, but in my defense, there is little to go off of otherwise as there are no individual statistics for run blocking. I fully understand that they're not the perfect source. However, their grades are all that I have at my disposal when ranking the Offensive Linemen from other teams on an individual basis in this facet, as I'm unable to observe the majority of them personally. If you have any other sources to add, I would personally welcome them. Perhaps we have different definition of the term, "effective." Zach Strief struggled as both a pass and run blocker last season, so Cherilus is a very significant upgrade. Wilson certainly had his share of fumbles in Virginia Tech, but they're overblown at this point. He touched the ball 132 times last season and fumbled on a single attempt. It's not the largest sample size, but it's enough to show that he can hold on to the rock much better than anticipated. And while he's not a perfect pass blocker, he did allow 0 pressures, 1 QB hit and 0 sacks on the season while in pass protection. If you're willing to account for performances from the 2011 season, then you have no grounds to dismiss the fact that the Saints ranked 6th in rushing that year. And the point about being mediocre is nothing short of an overstatement. New Orleans had just 370 rushing attempts in 2012, which was the 4th lowest in the entire league, so it would be outright silly to expect them to come close to their totals from the year before. They still graded out as 5th best in run blocking in both seasons, so had they chosen to lean on the running game, they likely would've been successful when doing so. But when your defense is surrendering 28.4 points per contest, it's difficult not to throw put the pigskin in the air early and often. With their defensive struggling, their fall from having the 6th highest TOP to the 6th lowest was a major difference between the disparity of rushing attempts among both season. The blame shouldn't fall on a supposed decreased effectiveness in the running game, especially considering that they were successful when running the football.

I can't argue the first part, although Eric Fischer still has to prove himself before being labeled as an upper echelon OT. However, Scott Wells didn't just struggle with his health, but was also porous in 2012. It could certainly be a byproduct of his health concerns, but it doesn't erase the very plausible possibility of an age related decline. I strongly disagree about the draftees. Montee Ball lacks elite long speed, but he in no shape or form lacks in play-making ability, as I've seen countless big plays that were the result of his own capabilities. Both RBs were incredibly productive in 2012, and both are likely to be 2nd or 3rd round selections, so arguing that the addition of Franklin is much more significant before either has a chance to step on the field is beyond moot. And if Wells doesn't work out in 2013 and Pouncey slides back inside, you'd be forced into likely filling the new-found hole at RG with an average or sub-par player, which would be just as much of an issue as leaving Wells at Center.
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Regarding Wells, he was injured much of the season, came back and suffered another set-back but played through it in the final weeks of the season. He was healthy for roughly 20 snaps. I still have the Dolphins starting Guard from last season in John Jerry, not a great player by any means as a run-blocker but he is still young and has upside.

As per Franklin vs Ball, production wise they were similar but personally I just dont see the same kind of explosiveness and short area burst out of Ball, and the top end speed is somewhat lacking as well. I guess it's just personal preference but I was never very impressed with him as I dont think his game translates well to the next level. I think you will find many have the same sentiments as myself here, and arguing production gets you nowhere when talking about skills that translate to the next level.

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[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1365043156' post='1424334']
Regarding Wells, he was injured much of the season, came back and suffered another set-back but played through it in the final weeks of the season. He was healthy for roughly 20 snaps. I still have the Dolphins starting Guard from last season in John Jerry, not a great player by any means as a run-blocker but he is still young and has upside.

As per Franklin vs Ball, production wise they were similar but personally I just dont see the same kind of explosiveness and short area burst out of Ball, and the top end speed is somewhat lacking as well. I guess it's just personal preference but I was never very impressed with him as I dont think his game translates well to the next level. I think you will find many have the same sentiments as myself here, and arguing production gets you nowhere when talking about skills that translate to the next level.
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That he was, which makes me concerned about him moving forward. Jerry's struggled as a run blocker, but he does have some upside. Ultimately, we'll just have to agree to disagree. I personally think that it will be very difficult for members to prove their points against one another when arguing against each others' teams, as we've compiled them ourselves and had our own reasons for making the moves that we did.

Ball's short area quickness and agility are definitely among is best strengths, in my opinion, so I would disagree with that part. His top end speed isn't top tier, and he had a poor showing in this aspect at the Combine. But while the Pro Day numbers aren't always the most accurate measurements, he did redeem himself a bit after running a 4.51 and a 4.49. I see. Your last point is a valid one, but I'm only using his production for support, as I very much like his skill set. In my personal assessment of him, I believe that Ball has outstanding vision, balance and agility. He runs with a low center of gravity, frequently makes intelligent cuts to evade defenders, and is also very capable as a pass protector and receiver. I see all of those skills translating onto the next level. Like you said though, it is a matter of preference, and none of the questions we can ask about these Rookies, or any for that matter, can be answered until after this following season.

[ravensdan]

Bell being in a comitee of backs should help his durability concerns.
However David Wilson was benched because of his fumble early on and didn't see the field again until late in the year. Thus the reason for his limited opportunities despite Bradshaw missing a lot of time to injury. Now he may be out of coughlins doghouse now as the Bradshaw cut would indicate.

[Alexir]

Veldheer- bergstrom- Wisniewskis -nix- Martin will open up lanes for DMc, Gio, BGe and Reece

[Sizzlebshu]

[quote name='ravensdan' timestamp='1365072825' post='1424542']
Bell being in a comitee of backs should help his durability concerns.
However David Wilson was benched because of his fumble early on and didn't see the field again until late in the year. Thus the reason for his limited opportunities despite Bradshaw missing a lot of time to injury. Now he may be out of coughlins doghouse now as the Bradshaw cut would indicate.
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Coughlin goes nuclear on small things though. It was one fumble on opening night that caused the benching. Doesnt really indicate a fumbling issue. Pass protection may have been the primary reason for the benching.

[The Oakland Cathedral]

So when is the next top 10?

[Clutch Ravens]

I agree with most of this, although once the FFA FA is done I'd argue that Arizona would be top 10 in passing. Not surprising though, since I chose the team ranked dead last in points, dead last in total yards, 28th in passing yards and dead last in rushing yards. I think my line could easily be top 10 while being deep to boot, but considering even I don't quite know who I'd be playing where, I couldn't expect it to be ranked highly.

Looking forward to defense, though, since I feel that side of the ball is very talented at every level.

[Yatagarasu]

[quote name='Clutch Ravens' timestamp='1365553694' post='1429015']
I agree with most of this, although once the FFA FA is done I'd argue that Arizona would be top 10 in passing. Not surprising though, since I chose the team ranked dead last in points, dead last in total yards, 28th in passing yards and dead last in rushing yards. I think my line could easily be top 10 while being deep to boot, but considering even I don't quite know who I'd be playing where, I couldn't expect it to be ranked highly.

Looking forward to defense, though, since I feel that side of the ball is very talented at every level.
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Don't keep your hopes high.

[GrimCoconut]

I will comment by addressing who I think should be higher & who should be lower by position group.

RB Group:
I feel NO, PHI, BAL, CIN, MIA should be higher just looking at those lists without me looking further. I also feel my Titans should be at least mentioned. Blount was a good back once. I don't think he has fallen off a cliff. He had a bad year, but he was a good RB before with a different HC. I also have DeAngelo Williams, who is still a very good RB. I have Bobby Rainey as well who impressed the Hell out of me as a RB, who reminds me of Ray Rice.

I also think the Packers should be here. They have a very good RB with an improved OL. Also, no Cowboys? They don't have scrubs over there with Murray & Ivory. That's a good combo. I think they traded Tanner, right?

Also, I have a Pro Bowl FB blocking for my RBs in Felton.

I can't agree with the ranking of NYG, DEN. I think they should be lower. I think they should still be high, because QB has a lot to do with it, but I can't say they deserve those rankings as the Giants lost some good guys, too. Randle? Wow. I know they have Crux & Nicks, but Nicks has had some injuries & can't be relied on to start. There's not much depth, even with Washington. They don't have the TEs to compensate.

I think the Bears & Eagles should be higher. The Pats should be higher, because they have a great OL with a HOF QB throwing them the ball with two dominant TEs & good WRs with some good youth. I just can't rank them there.

I think my team should be higher as well, since my OL is really good (explain soon), with some good QBs. Smith is a game manager, but he can manage with the weapons assembled in Heath Miller, Vincent Brown, Kendall Wright, Aaron Dobson, Keenan Allen & Marvin Jones. All of those guys have a ton of promise. Vincent Brown has shown legit talent. We all know Heath Miller.

As for OL, I absolutely believe this should be higher. My OL can both pass protect & run block very well, with a LT who is very good at both categories. My RT, Stewart, is highly underrated but another very good RT. My OL ranked #3 overall in 2011 & only gave up 24 sacks. They also surrendered the second fewest QB hits as well. Even with terrible OG play, they ranked 21st overall in sacks surrendered at 39--just below us. They also had the 10th fewest QB hits at 66, tied with two other teams. That's with Roos being injured & the issues at guard & Velasco playing guard.

If an OL is built on consistency, I have retained Roos, Stewart & Velasco. I added interior guards in Moore (an excellent run blocker & pass protector) & kept him at his original position of RG. I drafted Frederick who can play center or guard, which further solidifies my group so I can keep Velasco at center or put Frederick at center. I have some quality guard depth with Moffitt as well, to help in case of injury.

[Yatagarasu]

Your RB Corps is nothing I would be wowed about because Williams hasn't turned in a 1000 yard season for over 3 years. You can complain about the time sharing, but the Panthers pulled it off in 2009, but haven't been able to recreate that success. It may be due to his decline in health, speed, and effectiveness or the O-line, or all of the factor.

LaGarrett Blount is serviceable, but one dimensional.

I like the Titans' WR Corps due to the potential and youth they can mold together to be a top unit, but I have Steelers and Bengals complaining that your WR Corps doesn't deserve the top ten ranking. Your Corps has the edge over those two because of the depth and the flash they have shown when they are healthy and developed.

As for OL, I like the fact you added Brandon Moore, who is the top rated guards, but I'm not high on Velasco as a top guard, but as an above average guard. Moffit needs to get healthy and Frederick is a rookie and his production needs to be seen. You could get a stud like Kevin Zeitler or a dud like Peter Konz from Wisconsin with Frederick.

[Yatagarasu]

Offensive Rankings are updated.

[-Truth-]

Chris Hairston is definitely the wild card on he OL. He was one of my favorite sleeper acquisitions in our first Mock, as I was impressed by his tape. I've seen a bit of him in the NFL since then, and he's looked solid thus far. The numbers are also encouraging, as he allowed 16 pressures, 4 QB hits and 2 sacks last season, grading out well in pass blocking and even better in run blocking. I still have a few moves to make on the OL regarding the depth, so I'll definitely be looking into bolstering the right side.

[Yatagarasu]

Offensive list has been updated with more details.

[SecretAgentMan]

[quote name='Corvus Amplus' timestamp='1364961531' post='1423308']
Here it is...

An early progress report of how the Top Ten teams for each categories look on paper. If you don't like it, then post a complaint to the complaint office here. Also, the ranking are subject to change due to the ongoing mock draft and offseason progress.

[size=5][b][u]Top Ten Categories:[/u][/b][/size]

[size=5][b][u]Series 1: Offense - Today[/u][/b][/size]
[size=5]Ground Corps (RB Platoons + Run System) [/size]
[size=5]Air Corps (WR/TE Sets) [/size]
[size=5]Safeguards (OL Ranks) [/size]

[u][b][size=5]Series 2: Defense - TBA[/size][/b][/u]
[size=5]Trenches (DL Ranks including Edge Rushers) [/size]
[size=5]Wolfpacks (LB Units in both 3-4 and 4-3 sets)[/size]
[size=5]No Fly Zones (Secondaries)[/size]

[u][b][size=5]Series 3: Overall - TBA[/size][/b][/u]
[size=5]Firepowers (Offensive Units)[/size]
[size=5]Strongholds (Defensive Units) [/size]
[size=5]Superpowers (Overall Rankings) [/size]


[b][u][size=5]Ground Corps (RB Platoons + Run Systems)[/size][/u][/b] Updated:

[b]1. San Francisco 49ers[/b] - They have built their ground and pound game with an elite offensive line and a plethora of RBs in Gore, Hunter, and James.

RBs: Frank Gore, LaMichael James, Kendall Hunter

[b]2. Houston Texans[/b] - They have the proficiency of the Zone Blocking Scheme plus two efficient pounders in Foster and Tate, even though their blockers aren't the best.

RBs: Arian Foster, Ben Tate

[b]3. Buffalo Bills[/b] - Spiller can outrun the defense and Jackson can provide all the dirty work, thus producing a nice tandem to wreck havoc.

RBs: C.J. Spiller, Fred Jackson

[b]4. New Orleans Saints[/b] - A first round pick in David Wilson, a spark-plug in Darren Sproles, and now a TD-magnet in Montee Ball should terrorize the league.

RBs: David Wilson, Darren Sproles, Montee Ball

[b]5. Minnesota Vikings[/b] - Adrian Peterson is a proven one man army, but the depth is limited if All-Day faces injuries.

RBs: Adrian Peterson, Toby Gerhart, Jerome Felton (FB)

[b]6. Philadelphia Eagles[/b] - With all-purpose players like LeSean McCoy and Bryce Brown already set,[b] [/b]Andre Ellington adds more explosiveness for Chip Kelly's Option Read Run Offense.

RBs: LeSean McCoy, Andre Ellington, Bryce Brown

[b]7. Baltimore Ravens[/b] - Rice and Pierce with Leach leading the way in a zone blocking scheme should continue the dominance of the run game.

RBs: Ray Rice, Bernard Pierce, Vonta Leach (FB)

[b]8. Seattle Seahawks[/b] - They have a beefy front to provide Marshawn Lynch the lanes to pound and have another underrated RB in the wings with Turbin.

RBs: Marshawn Lynch, Robert Turbin, Michael Robinson (FB)

[b]9. New Englands[/b] - They have an elite offensive line that can boost up the numbers of Ridley and Vereen.

RBs: Stevan Ridley, Shane Vereen

[b]10. Washington Redskins[/b] - Standard Procedures as Shanahan's Zone Blocking Scheme makes any RB into a bell bow. Alfred Morris, Roy Helu, and Evan Royster are a solid group with Darrel Young blocking the way.

RBs: Alfred Morris, Roy Helu, Evan Royster, Darrel Young (FB)

[u][b]Borderline Top Ten[/b][/u][b][u]:[/u][/b]

[b]10-T. Cincinnati Bengals [/b]- CJ2K is in a new town along with some new friends with Greene and Turner. Their talent can't be denied, but the man-blocking system could be questioned, since it's not CJ2K's strong suit.

RBs: Chris Johnson, Shonn Greene, Michael Turner

[b]10-T. Tampa Bay Buccaneers[/b] - Muscle Hamster should be back for more with their two expensive guards back.

RBs: Doug Martin, Isaac Redman, D.J. Ware, Michael Smith, Erik Lorig (FB)

[b]10-T. Miami Dolphins[/b] - They have a young trio of Miller, Thomas, and Franklin, who could turn out to be productive.

RBs: Lamar Miller, Johnathan Franklin, Daniel Thomas

[b]10-T. Kansas City Chiefs [/b]- They made a strong O-line this offseason, but have only one viable runner in Jamaal Charles.

RBs: Jamaal Charles, Jason Snelling

[b]10-T. Oakland Raiders[/b] - Darren McFadden has an elite skills set as a RB, but a dismal injury history. The rest are either average or past their prime.

RB: Darren McFadden, BenJarvus Green-Ellis, Giovani Bernard

[u][b]Notable Cuts:[/b][/u]

[b]16. Green Bay Packers [/b]- With their draft coming to a close, they have put together an impressive group of Reggie Bush, Stefan Taylor, Kenjon Barnes, and DuJuan Harris. However, they have to prove their worth of a top ten RB Corps.

RBs: Reggie Bush, Stefan Taylor, Kenjon Barnes, DuJuan Harris

[b]17. Dallas Cowboys[/b] - Their O-line has been revamped with Jonathan Cooper and the tandem of Ivory and Murray should be productive, if they stayed healthy.

RBs: Chris Ivory, DeMarco Murray

[b]18. Tennessee Titans [/b]- DeAngelo Williams is a good player, but hasn't turned in 1000 yard season since 2009. LaGarrett Blount is a one dimensional power back that should provide a nice of pace. Compared to the teams above, the running game in Tennessee could be above average, but not borderline top ten.

RBs: DeAngelo Williams, LaGarrett Blount

[b]19. New York Jets[/b] - Getting Stewart was an improvement and Peerman is very underrated, but the change in the O-line could lower the ranking in the running game for this team. Also, the rookie MIchaels is a freak, but has to stay healthy.

RBS: Jonathan Stewart, Cedric Peerman, Christine Michael, Joe McKnight


[u][b][size=5]Air Corps (WR/TE Sets)[/size][/b][/u] Updated:

[b]1.[/b] [b]New Orleans[/b] [b]Saints[/b]- Colston, Graham, Bryant, Williams, and Shorts all under Brees' command?

WR1:[b] Marques Colston[/b] TE1: [b]Jimmy Graham[/b] WR2: [b]Dez Bryant[/b] WR3: [b]Mike Williams[/b] WR4: [b]Cecil Shorts[/b]

[b]2.[/b] [b]Atlanta Falcons[/b] - Jones, White, and Gonzalez are back along with Keller and Hamilton should burn away any secondaries.

WR1: [b]Julio Jones[/b] WR2: [b]Roddy White[/b] TE1: [b]Tony Gonzalez[/b] TE2: [b]Dustin Keller [/b]WR3: [b][size=4]Cobi Hamilton [/size][/b]WR4: [b][size=4]Earl Bennett [/size][/b]

[b]3.[/b] [b]Green Bay Packers[/b] - They already have a solid group in place with Cobb, Nelson, Jones, and Finley, but adding Welker should to be overkill.

WR1: [b]Wes Welker [/b]WR2: [b]Jordy Nelson[/b] WR3: [b]Randall Cobb[/b] WR4: [b]James Jones[/b] TE1: [b]Jermichael Finley [/b]

[b]4.[/b] [b]Detroit Lions[/b] - Megatron alone can be labeled as top five WR Corps, but adding a troubled, but talented Kenny Britt and an underrated talent like Stedman Bailey should make this group even more formidable.

WR1:[b] Calvin Johnson[/b] WR2: [b]Kenny Britt[/b] WR3: [b]Stedman Bailey[/b] TE1: [b][size=4][font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif]Tony Scheffler[/font][/size] [/b]

[b]5. Denver Broncos[/b] - They got two young 1000 yard WRs in Thomas and Decker to continue their firepower.

WR1: [b]Demaryius Thomas[/b] WR2: [b]Eric Decker[/b] WR3: [b]Brandon Gibson[/b] TE1: [b]Jacob Tamme[/b] TE2: [b]James Casey[/b]

[b]6. New England Patriots[/b] - Their ranking has sipped due to the major make-over of their WR Corps. Their TEs are top ten talents, but have been injury prone,

TE1: [b]Rob Gronkowski[/b] TE2: [b]Aaron Hernandez[/b] WR1: [b]Robert Woods [/b]WR2:[b] Braylon Edwards[/b] WR3: [b]Davone Bess[/b]

[b]7. New York Giants [/b]- They add a solid talent in Washington to make their 3-WR set even more formidable with Nicks and Cruz.

WR1: [b]Victor Cruz[/b] WR2: [b]Hakeem Nicks[/b] WR3:[b] Nate Washington[/b] TE1: [b]Vance McDonald[/b]

[b]8.[/b] [b]Chicago Bears[/b] - Brandon Marshall is back to his beast mode ways, but now with Tavon Austin in the mix should open up their passing game.

WR1: [b]Brandon Marshall [/b]WR2: [b]Tavon Austin[/b] WR3: [b][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Alshon Jeffery [/font][/color][/b]OP: [b]Matt Forte [/b]WR4: [b]Louis Murphy[/b] TE1: [b]Nick Kasa[/b]

[b]9.[/b] [b]Philadelphia Eagles [/b]- Talk about add a speedster in Marquise Goodwin to an already fast group of Jackson and Maclin. Eagles might be the team that can burn their opponents with speed.

WR1:[b] DeSean Jackson [/b]WR2: [b]Jeremy Maclin[/b] WR3: [b]Jason Avant[/b] WR4: [b]Marquise Goodwin[/b] WR5: [b]Eddie Royal [/b]TE1: [b]Jordan Reed[/b]

[b]10. Tennessee Titans [/b]- Allen, Wright, Dobson, and Brown are all young, underrated, and have the potential to be a strong WR Group.

WR1: [b]Keenan Allen[/b] WR2: [b]Kendall Wright[/b] WR3: [b]Vincent Brown[/b] WR4: [b]Aaron Dobson[/b] WR5: [b]Marvin Jones[/b] TE1: [b]Heath Miller [/b]

[u][b]Borderline Top Ten[/b][/u][b][u]:[/u][/b]

[b]10-T.[/b] [b]Pittsburgh Steelers[/b] - Borderline WR Corps with a proven slot threat in Antonio Brown and a possible Roddy White-type WR in DeAndre Hopkins. Sanders and Broyles add some key depth for the group.

WR1: [b]Antonio Brown [/b]WR2: [b]DeAndre Hopkins [/b]WR3: [b]Emmanuel Sanders[/b] WR4: [b]Ryan Broyles[/b]

[b]10-T.[/b] [b]Oakland Raiders [/b]- This young group of speedy, but inexperienced WRs in Moore, Ford, Streater, and Criner with the addition of Amendola should be an underrated group.

WR1: [b]Denarius Moore[/b] WR2: [b]Danny Amendola[/b] WR3: [b]Rod Streater[/b] WR4: [b]Jacoby Ford[/b] OP: [b]Marcel Reece[/b] TE1: [b]Fred David[/b] TE2: [b]Ryan Otten[/b]

[b]10-T: Baltimore Ravens [/b]- Credit must be given to the Super Bowl Winning group of receivers. Nothing has changed on them since they kept their core group. I believe they are a borderline top ten group with room for improvement. Torrey Smith will continue to get better. Anquan Boldin will make his money's worth. Dennis Pitta has become a reliable target. Jacoby Jones is gold. However, the big question mark is on who will step up.

WR1: [b]Torrey Smith[/b] WR2: [b]Anquan Boldin [/b]TE1: [b]Dennis Pitta[/b] WR3: [b]Jacoby Jones [/b]TE2: [b]Eric Dickson[/b]

[b]10-T.[/b] [b]Cincinnati Bengals - [/b]A.J. Green leads this group, but the rest have to prove their worth.

WR1:[b] A.J. Green [/b]TE1: [b]Jermaine Gresham [/b]WR2: [b]Aaron Mellette[/b] WR3: [b]Randy Moss[/b] WR4: [b]Mike Thomas[/b] WR5:[b] Harry Douglas[/b]

[b]10-T.[/b] [b]Tampa Bay Buccaneers[/b] - They have #1 WR in Vincent Jackson, but the other receivers have to step up.

WR1: [b]Vincent Jackson[/b] WR2: [b]Darrius Heyward-Bey[/b] WR3: [b]Kenny Stills[/b] TE1: [b]Brent Celek[/b] OP: [b]Doug Martin[/b]

[u][b]Notable Cuts:[/b][/u]

[b]16. New York Jets[/b] - If Hill and Holmes gets healthy, then they can form an underrated group of recievers with Rogers and Bennett.

WR1: [b]Santonio Holmes[/b] WR2: [b]Stephen Hill[/b] WR3:[b] Da'Rick Rodgers[/b] WR4: [b]Jeremy Kerley [/b]TE1: [b]Martellus Bennett[/b]

[b]17.[/b][b] Cleveland Browns [/b]- Another young group of WRs that has potential, but needs to prove it. Josh Gordon has shown some flash as a #1 WR. Patton and Myers should have instant impact. As for Cameron, his development and potential might leapfrog Little and Avery.

WR1: [b]Josh Gordon[/b] WR2: [b]Quinton Patton[/b] TE1: [b]Brandon Myers[/b]TE2: [b]Jordan Cameron[/b] WR3: [b]Greg Little[/b] WR4: [b]Donnie Avery[/b]

[b]18. San Francisco 49ers [/b]- They have a serviceable WR in Michael Crabtree, but a lot of question marks for the rest of the group. Manningham and Williams are coming back from injuries. Jenkins haven't been able to develop well and Hunter is far from being ready on the field.

WR1: [b]Michael Crabtree[/b] TE1: [b]Vernon Davis[/b] WR2 [b]A.J. Jenkins[/b] WR3: [b]Mario Manningham[/b] WR4: [b]Justin Hunter [/b]

[b]19. Houston Texans - [/b]They have a number one WR in Andre Johnson, but a lot of question marks on the rest of the WRs. The TEs Owen Daniels and Tyler Eifert should help.

WR1: [b]Andre Johnson[/b] TE1: [b]Owen Daniels [/b]TE2: [b]Tyler Eifert[/b] WR2: [b]Steve Breaston[/b]

[b]20. San Diego Chargers[/b] - Acquisiton of Mike Wallace should give them the #1 WR they were missing since Jackson left town. However, the trading of Vincent Brown might be questionable.

WR1: [b]Mike Wallace[/b] WR2:[b] Danario Alexander[/b] TE1: [b]Antonio Gates[/b]

[b]21. Seattle Seahawks[/b] - The Seahawks have some viable receiving corps if Sidney Rice can be healthy, Golden Tate grows, and Cody Fleener is the player they traded for. [font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Cordarelle Patterson has all the tools to be a #1 WR, but needs time to develop.[/font]

WR1: [b]Sidney Rice[/b] WR2: [b]Golden Tate [/b][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]TE1: [b]Cody Fleener[/b] [/font]WR3: [b]Brian Hartline[/b] WR4: [font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif][b]Cordarelle Patterson[/b] WR5: [b]Doug Baldwin [/b][/font]


[b]22. Washington Redskins[/b] - The potential is there for this team if they can develop. Pierre Garcon was injured last year, but has shown some flash of #1 WR. The rest are still young, but need to be more reliable.

WR1: [b]Pierre Garcon [/b]TE1: [b]Zach Ertz[/b] WR2: [b]Reuben Randle[/b] WR3: [b]Santana Moss[/b] WR4: [b]Josh Morgan [/b]WR5: [b]Leonard Hankerson[/b]


[b]23. Kansas City Chiefs[/b] - Dwyane Bowe is the top talent, but he had a terrible year. The rest has a lot to prove. Lance Moore has played lights out, but will he be the same with Brees. Jared Cook has a lot of talent, but limited production. Olgetree has shown limited production, but strong potential.

WR1: [b]Dwyane Bowe[/b] WR2:[b] Lance Moore[/b] TE1: [b]Jared Cook[/b] WR3 [b]Kevin Olgetree[/b] TE2: [b]Ben Watson[/b]

[b]24. St. Louis Rams[/b] - They have a young group of receivers, but they have a lot of prove.

WR1: [b]Chris Givens[/b] TE1: [b]Brandon Pettigrew[/b] WR2: [b]Brian Quick[/b] WR3: [b]Terrence Williams[/b] WR4: [b]Austin Collie[/b] TE2: [b]Lance Kendricks[/b]


[u][b][size=5]Safeguards (OL Ranks)[/size][/b][/u]Updated:

LT - LG - C - RG - RT

[b]1. San Francisco 49ers[/b] - Last Year's top rated unit hasn't change and should only get better with continuity.

Joe Stanley - Mike Iupati - Daniel Kilgore - Alex Boone - Anthony Davis

[b]2. New England Patriots[/b] - Another elite group that hasn't change and should get better with continuity.

Nate Solder - Logan Mankins - Ryan Wendell - Dan Connolly - [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Sebastian Vollmer[/font][/color]

[b]3. Cleveland Browns[/b] - They have Thomas, Schwartz, Greco, Mack, and now upgraded with Ramon Foster.

Joe Thomas - John Greco - Alex Mack - Ramon Foster - [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=4]Mitchell Schwartz[/size][/font]

[b]4. Denver Broncos[/b] - They still have their key players in Clady and Beadles and added some key players like Winters and Brennan to help keep their elite status.

Ryan Clady - Zane Beadles - JD Walton - Chris Kuper - Orlando Franklin

[b]5. Kansas City Chief [/b]- They rebuilt their left side with Monroe and Boothe, while keeping their effective players in Hudson, Asamoah, and Winston.

Eugene Monroe - Kevin Boothe - Rodney Hudson - Jon Asamoah - Eric Winston

[b]6. New Orleans Saints [/b]- The Saints' high ranking is contributed by their stud interiors. Their acquisition of Tyron Smith could finally give them the LT they needed, however their RT may need some improvements.

Tyron Smith - Ben Grubbs - [color=#000000]Brian De La Puente - Jahri Evans - Chris Hairston[/color]

[b]7.[/b] [b]Miami Dolphins[/b] - They bolster their tackles with a top talent in Fisher and solid FA in Beatty to go along with their up and coming O-line. However, Scott Wells is coming off a down in both performance and health.

Eric Fisher - Richie Incognito - Scott Wells - Mike Pouncey - Will Beatty

[b]8. Baltimore Ravens [/b]- Trading in Bryant McKinnie for Andrew Whitworth is a huge improvement and keeping three of the four starters in the playoffs is another huge boost. Oher should be serviceable at the right, Yanda is an All-Pro, and Osemele show a lot of promise at guard. However, Gradkowski is the wild card on the line.

Andrew Whitworth - Kelechi Osemele - Gino Gradkowski - Marshal Yanda - Michael Oher

[b]9. Tennessee Titans [/b]- They decided to rebuild the interior by keeping Velsaco, drafting a mauler in Frederick and signing a top FA Guard in Moore.

Michael Roos - Travis Frederick - Fernando Velasco - Brandon Moore - David Stewart

[b]10. Minnesota Vikings[/b] - They signed back all their key pieces of last year's offensive line and should be in for another dominant run.

Matt Kalil - Charlie Johnson - John Sullivan - Geoff Schwartz - Phil Loadholt

[u][b]Borderline Top Ten[/b][/u][b][u]:[/u][/b]

[b]10B. Tampa Bay Buccaneers[/b] - Their ranking should rise when their two stud guards in Nicks and Joseph come back from injuries. The drafting of Thomas help solidify the right tackle position.

Donald Penn - Carl Nicks - Jeremy Zuttah - Davin Joseph - Dallas Thomas

[b]10B. Cincinnati Bengals[/b] - Exchanging Whitworth for the young Branden Albert is considered a passable move. However, parting with their best RT in Andre Smith is question. Anyways, they managed to draft some viable replacements in Warford and Armstead to keep a serviceable O-line.

Branden Albert - Larry Warford - Trevor Robinson - Kevin Zeitler - Terron Armstead

[b]10B. Houston Texans [/b]- Their weakness and uncertainity is the right tackle, but signing back Brisiel and keeping the majority of the group should help them continue their protection.

Duane Brown - Wade Smith - Chris Myers - Mike Brisiel - Derek Newton

[b]10B. Dallas Cowboys[/b] - Jonathan Cooper will be an instant impact as an interior player. Nate Irving was surprisely their best player. Trading away their possible franchise tackle in Tyron Smith wasn't easy, but they at least got two serviceable tackles in [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Gosder Cherlius[/font][/color] and King Dunlap. This group is probably a huge improvement from last year's team.

King Dunlap - Nate Irving - Ryan Cook - Jonathan Cooper - [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Gosder Cherlius[/font][/color]

[b]10B. New York Jets[/b] - The Jets were surprisely a top three unit last year. That shows how bad Mark Sanchez was. Brandon Moore and Matt Slausen are gone, but they replaced them with serviceable players like Donald Thomas. Vladimir Ducasse and Stephen Peterman battling for the RG sounds like a disaster, which is why RG is clearly the weakest link of the O-line.

[font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif][color=#282828]D'Brickashaw Ferguson - Donald Thomas - [/color][/font][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Nick Mangold - Stephen Peterman - Austin Howard[/font][/color]

[u][b]Notable Cuts:[/b][/u]

[b]16. Seattle Seahawks[/b] - They have a core group with Okung and Unger, but a lot to prove especially on the right side.

Russell Okung - James Carpenter - Max Unger - Jeff Allen - Menelik Watson

[b]17. Carolina Panthers[/b] - The Panthers decide to blow up their struggling O-line by replacing four of the five spots. Parting with Kalil and Gross are considered negatives, but bringing in Joeckel, Johnson, Rinehart, Slauson could cancel or even improve the trades. This is a young O-line and has the potential to be good for a long time.

Luke Joeckel - Amini Silatolu - Matt Slauson - Chad Rinehart - Lane Johnson

[b]18. Green Bay Packers[/b] - They have a serviceable interior with Koppen, Lang, and Sitton. However, they have to find the right match for their OTs since their lst round OTs Bryan Bulaga and Derrek Sherrod have been disappointments. They do have some depth with the utility David Quessenberry.

Bryant McKinnie - Josh Sitton - Dan Koppen - T.J. Lang - Bryan Bulaga

[b]19. Philadelphia Eagles[/b] - The Eagles really missed Jason Peters. However, we won't know for sure if he will be back to his All-Pro form. Evan Mathis is one of the best around even though he has no hardware. Jason Kelce shows some promise and [font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif]Todd Herremans should stay at guard. The head scratch is Doug Free, who has play below average last year at RT.[/font] Last year's group was a disaster, but could be better if Peters comes back healthy and in form.

[font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif]Jason Peters - Evan Mathis - Jason Kelce - [/font][font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif]Todd Herremans - Doug Free[/font]

[b]20. Washington Redskin[/b] - Their O-line was masked a lot by their zone blocking scheme and bootleg plays. However, they do have a good core with Williams, Montgomery, and Chester. heir scheme helps them to get by with mediocre talents on the other positions.

Trent Williams - Winston Justice - Will Montgomery - Chris Chester - Ryan Harris

[b]21. Oakland Raiders[/b] - They have an underrated group that made their offense a top ten last year. The only problem here might be Jonathan Martin who struggle mightly on both sides of the tackle spots.

Jared Veldheer - Tony Bergstrom - Stefen Wisniewski - Lucas Nix - Jonathan Martin

[b]22. Chicago Bears[/b] - The addition of Gross and Clabo really helps their O-line to be better, but there's some question marks on the interior positions.

Jordan Gross - David Bakhtiari - Roberto Garza - Leroy Harris - Tyson Clabo

[b]23. St. Louis Rams[/b] - Chance Warmack should help a lot in solidifying their interior, but there's still a lot of question marks as Safford is injury-prone, Dahl is coming from an injured bicep, Bushrod is consider an average tackle, and the center is up for grabs.

Roger Safford - Chance Warmack - Kevin Who? Matthews - Harvey Dahl - Jermon Bushrod

[b]24. Jacksonvile Jaguars[/b] - They mixed and matched their O-line, but still have a lot to prove. Bringing in Louis Vasquez, an above average starting guard, helps a lot. Charles Brown should be a serviceable RT, if he stays healthy. However, the ranking depends on how well their rookies produce.

Chris Faulk - Evan Dietrich-Smith - Barrett Jones - Louis Vasquez - Charles Brown

[b]25. Atlanta Falcons[/b] - This group played surprisely well, especially when Sam Baker was healthy. However, this team loses some luster after parting ways with their best player Tyson Clabo, who was rated as the #5 RT according to ProFootballFocus. This group could be in for a fall.

Sam Baker - Jake Scott - Peter Konz - Justin Blalock - Jammal Brown

[b]26. Arizona Cardinals[/b] - They landed the big fish in Jake Long for their missing LT spot, but their O-line is still has a lot of holes, especially inside.

Jake Long - Ramon Harewood - Lyle Sendlein - Jordan Mills - Levi Brown
[/quote]
I'm starting Faruia and green at TE.
The athletic freak and the big guy

[Yatagarasu]

[quote name='Mr. Irrelevant' timestamp='1365778210' post='1431635']
I'm starting Faruia and green at TE.
The athletic freak and the big guy
[/quote]

Don't quote the OP. It's a waste of space.

[Guest nflfan123]

My center is Birk, not cook

[Yatagarasu]

[quote name='nflfan123' timestamp='1365779210' post='1431651']
My center is Birk, not cook
[/quote]

Birk retired...

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='Corvus Amplus' timestamp='1365782441' post='1431713']


Birk retired...
[/quote]
Not in this mock. He is not retired. He is still playing. I have said multiple times that Birk would have been effective if he played this year. He impressed me & coach kept saying how good he is. I think he retired because he won his ring & he didn't want to play elsewhere. He probably saw the writing on the wall of the youth movement & left voluntarily.

[The Oakland Cathedral]

[quote name='Corvus Amplus' timestamp='1365736479' post='1431369']
Your RB Corps is nothing I would be wowed about because Williams hasn't turned in a 1000 yard season for over 3 years. You can complain about the time sharing, but the Panthers pulled it off in 2009, but haven't been able to recreate that success. It may be due to his decline in health, speed, and effectiveness or the O-line, or all of the factor.

LaGarrett Blount is serviceable, but one dimensional.

I like the Titans' WR Corps due to the potential and youth they can mold together to be a top unit, but I have Steelers and Bengals complaining that your WR Corps doesn't deserve the top ten ranking. Your Corps has the edge over those two because of the depth and the flash they have shown when they are healthy and developed.

As for OL, I like the fact you added Brandon Moore, who is the top rated guards, but I'm not high on Velasco as a top guard, but as an above average guard. Moffit needs to get healthy and Frederick is a rookie and his production needs to be seen. You could get a stud like Kevin Zeitler or a dud like Peter Konz from Wisconsin with Frederick.
[/quote]I don't recall complaining about the Titan's ranking.

[Yatagarasu]

[quote name='Miami Hurricane' timestamp='1365784295' post='1431746']
I don't recall complaining about the Titan's ranking.
[/quote]

Good then...