Jason Peters fully healthy

[Sizzlebshu]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000156622/article/jason-peters-im-fully-healthy-for-philadelphia-eagles

This is interesting as now the Eagles pick becomes truly a wild card. I see a likely trade down coming after a hard fake at Smith.

[beanfigger]

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This is interesting as now the Eagles pick becomes truly a wild card. I see a likely trade down coming after a hard fake at Smith.
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Trading down would be too smart a decision for this organization. However, they may be heading in the right direction in terms of decision making judging by their FA moves this offseason. They have signed a bunch of players in years past, but this year seemed much less reckless and risky. If they do stick to their number 4 pick, I see them going defense for sure. Floyd, Lotulelei, Jordan, Milliner, Ansah will all be considered depending on who's still on the board.

[Sizzlebshu]

[quote name='beanfigger' timestamp='1364928374' post='1422812']
Trading down would be too smart a decision for this organization. However, they may be heading in the right direction in terms of decision making judging by their FA moves this offseason. They have signed a bunch of players in years past, but this year seemed much less reckless and risky. If they do stick to their number 4 pick, I see them going defense for sure. Floyd, Lotulelei, Jordan, Milliner, Ansah will all be considered depending on who's still on the board.
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Im guessing it be Star or Floyd (whichever is left after Oakland picks). Their dline really needs help upfront. I feel that Trent Cole can transition to Rush OLB and Mychael Kendricks will be able to set the edge on the other side.

Demeco Ryans played in Houston's 3-4 so they are okay there

Their secondary is in shambles though. Im thinking they try for Dee Millner.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='Sizzlebshu' timestamp='1364928539' post='1422817']
Im guessing it be Star or Floyd (whichever is left after Oakland picks). Their dline really needs help upfront. I feel that Trent Cole can transition to Rush OLB and Mychael Kendricks will be able to set the edge on the other side.

Demeco Ryans played in Houston's 3-4 so they are okay there

Their secondary is in shambles though. Im thinking they try for Dee Millner.
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Kendricks will get annihilated on the edge as a 34 OLB. How is he going to anchor the edge at 240 pounds?

[Sizzlebshu]

[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1364937900' post='1422993']
Kendricks will get annihilated on the edge as a 34 OLB. How is he going to anchor the edge at 240 pounds?
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He can bulk up or they can use Barwin. Either way

[dhstandard]

They could always take Fisher or Joeckel and try to trade Peters but I doubt it. The guy just had an unfortunate injury happen and was top 3 before that. They should take Star. I like him a lot more than Floyd. I think Floyd has gained a lot of unnecessary hype. He was barely mentioned in the first round at all and out of nowhere he is discussed as the top pick in the draft.

The sucked it up against the run last season. They need a big guy in the middle like Star.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='dhstandard' timestamp='1364943492' post='1423127']
They could always take Fisher or Joeckel and try to trade Peters but I doubt it. The guy just had an unfortunate injury happen and was top 3 before that. They should take Star. I like him a lot more than Floyd. [b]I think Floyd has gained a lot of unnecessary hype. He was barely mentioned in the first round at all and out of nowhere he is discussed as the top pick in the draft. [/b]

The sucked it up against the run last season. They need a big guy in the middle like Star.
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The hype for Floyd is well-deserved. Watch some video on him. He struggled when rushing off the edge in '11 but he was dominant as an interior d-lineman last season. UF's poor season probably contributed to scouts not paying him enough attention initially, but they've since come around.

[Sizzlebshu]

The right pick is still for them to take Fisher or Jockel whichever remains, but the pick they will likely make is Dee Millner.

Their secondary has been completely obliterated. I mean they need help everywhere.

[dhstandard]

[quote name='Sizzlebshu' timestamp='1364953042' post='1423238']
The right pick is still for them to take Fisher or Jockel whichever remains, but the pick they will likely make is Dee Millner.

Their secondary has been completely obliterated. I mean they need help everywhere.
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I disagree. LT are hard to come by but teams are overemphasizing their usefulness. It worked for the Vikings last year. Kalil is a beast and was a key to their post-season run. Joeckel and Fisher are not near Kalil's level though. Plenty of top LT have turned into busts like the Rams LT a few year back.

If you already have a guy like Jason Peters the you don't need to get another LT. I think the Chief's move was bad. I would have kept Albert and Winston and filled a much bigger need with a guy like Milliner or Star.

[dhstandard]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1364950604' post='1423213']
The hype for Floyd is well-deserved. Watch some video on him. He struggled when rushing off the edge in '11 but he was dominant as an interior d-lineman last season. UF's poor season probably contributed to scouts not paying him enough attention initially, but they've since come around.
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He didn't rise up board until Star fell. It's like they flipped spots. When Lewan and Matthews returned to school Fisher suddenly was a top 5 pick. It happens all the time. The media driven draft is all about the best players at each position. The Front offices don't care. They do their own analysis and take the BPA within reason in most cases. That's why no mock draft is ever close to predicting the draft.


I think Floyd is overrated. Very. He could wind up to be a great player, but he doesn't have the tools to make him a top 5 pick. Top 5 picks combine production and measurables. He doesn't really have either. He has an average combine and average numbers. His tape is decent and I would love for the Ravens to draft him or even trade up, but he isn't top 5 or even top 10 material.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='dhstandard' timestamp='1364955010' post='1423265']
He didn't rise up board until Star fell. It's like they flipped spots. When Lewan and Matthews returned to school Fisher suddenly was a top 5 pick. It happens all the time. The media driven draft is all about the best players at each position. The Front offices don't care. They do their own analysis and take the BPA within reason in most cases. That's why no mock draft is ever close to predicting the draft.

I think Floyd is overrated. Very. He could wind up to be a great player, but he doesn't have the tools to make him a top 5 pick. Top 5 picks combine production and measurables. He doesn't really have either. He has an average combine and average numbers. His tape is decent and I would love for the Ravens to draft him or even trade up, but he isn't top 5 or even top 10 material.
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Can you pin-point exactly when the media's opinion on Lotulelei started to fall? Regardless, the hype surrounding Floyd didn't come overnight and hasn't directly correlated with opinion Star. Perhaps some in the media were slow to catch on but Daniel Jeremiah reported back in late January that a high-ranking NFL exec guaranteed Floyd would be a top-10 pick. If that's true, he's been well-regarded by NFL scouts for a while.

His Combine was definitely average but that does nothing to diminish what he did on the field. No, his production wasn't gaudy but he did a ton of things that don't show up on the stat sheet.

[Sizzlebshu]

[quote name='dhstandard' timestamp='1364954435' post='1423260']
I disagree. LT are hard to come by but teams are overemphasizing their usefulness. It worked for the Vikings last year. Kalil is a beast and was a key to their post-season run. Joeckel and Fisher are not near Kalil's level though. Plenty of top LT have turned into busts like the Rams LT a few year back.

If you already have a guy like Jason Peters the you don't need to get another LT. I think the Chief's move was bad. I would have kept Albert and Winston and filled a much bigger need with a guy like Milliner or Star.
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Insurance in case Peters isn't the same player? The fact that they have no RT which for Vick is essentially the equivalent of a LT? The fact that taking Fisher would instantly shore up 3 spots on the offensive line in one move? None of those sound like good reasons to you?

[SecretAgentMan]

[quote name='Sizzlebshu' timestamp='1364956602' post='1423279']

Insurance in case Peters isn't the same player? The fact that they have no RT which for Vick is essentially the equivalent of a LT? The fact that taking Fisher would instantly shore up 3 spots on the offensive line in one move? None of those sound like good reasons to you?
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Nope, bc Vick is a Qb from VA Tech who can run in circles faster than anyone. He will be fine

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='dhstandard' timestamp='1364955010' post='1423265']


He didn't rise up board until Star fell. It's like they flipped spots. When Lewan and Matthews returned to school Fisher suddenly was a top 5 pick. It happens all the time. The media driven draft is all about the best players at each position. The Front offices don't care. They do their own analysis and take the BPA within reason in most cases. That's why no mock draft is ever close to predicting the draft.


I think Floyd is overrated. Very. He could wind up to be a great player, but he doesn't have the tools to make him a top 5 pick. Top 5 picks combine production and measurables. He doesn't really have either. He has an average combine and average numbers. His tape is decent and I would love for the Ravens to draft him or even trade up, but he isn't top 5 or even top 10 material.
[/quote]this is not true at all. Floyd got the hype from the media long before the combine. He was rated highly but some even before that

[dhstandard]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1364956231' post='1423274']
Can you pin-point exactly when the media's opinion on Lotulelei started to fall? Regardless, the hype surrounding Floyd didn't come overnight and hasn't directly correlated with opinion Star. Perhaps some in the media were slow to catch on but Daniel Jeremiah reported back in late January that a high-ranking NFL exec guaranteed Floyd would be a top-10 pick. If that's true, he's been well-regarded by NFL scouts for a while.

His Combine was definitely average but that does nothing to diminish what he did on the field. No, his production wasn't gaudy but he did a ton of things that don't show up on the stat sheet.
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Floyd started rising slowly. When Star was held out of the combine because of a heart issue then Floyd jumped to being discussed at the number overall pick while Star was in the middle of the first round.

[dhstandard]

[quote name='Sizzlebshu' timestamp='1364956602' post='1423279']
Insurance in case Peters isn't the same player? The fact that they have no RT which for Vick is essentially the equivalent of a LT? The fact that taking Fisher would instantly shore up 3 spots on the offensive line in one move? None of those sound like good reasons to you?
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Fisher at RT is a waste of a pick. Good RT have been coming cheap the past few seasons and there are plenty to go around. You don't spend the 4th overall pick on a RT or "insurance" in case a player isn't as good as he once was. When you have as many holes as the Eagles do, it's a major waste of the pick.

They sound like horrible reasons. And there is no domino effect. Jason Peters is a LT and is making LT money. He has two seasons left on a 6 year 60 million dollar contract. They won't pay him that just to slide him to RT. Like I said before, drafting Fisher and putting him at RT is a waste of a pick as Fisher could be one of the top LT in the league.
Secondly, their RT isn't a guard who is playing right tackle like we had. He is just a poor RT. It won't fix 3 positions on their O-line, it will fix one.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='dhstandard' timestamp='1365003911' post='1423592']
Floyd started rising slowly. When Star was held out of the combine because of a heart issue then Floyd jumped to being discussed at the number overall pick while Star was in the middle of the first round.
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Beyond NFP's Russ Lande's mock, how many well-known sites had Floyd going #1 after the Combine? Again, if at least one NFL exec felt Floyd could go in the top 10 back in January, league opinion on him was already high and it simply took the media a while to take note of how good he was.

Lotulelei's heart issue was first reported on Feb 25. Media scouts like McShay, Weidl, Mayock, Jeremiah had been hyping well before that. Check out his [url="http://www.rotoworld.com/recent/cfb/131336/sharrif-floyd"]Rotoworld page[/url].

[dhstandard]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1365005322' post='1423612']
Beyond NFP's Russ Lande's mock, how many well-known sites had Floyd going #1 after the Combine? Again, if at least one NFL exec felt Floyd could go in the top 10 back in January, league opinion on him was already high and it simply took the media a while to take note of how good he was.

Lotulelei's heart issue was first reported on Feb 25. Media scouts like McShay, Weidl, Mayock, Jeremiah had been hyping well before that. Check out his [url="http://www.rotoworld.com/recent/cfb/131336/sharrif-floyd"]Rotoworld page[/url].
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Yeah he was hyped but he didn't surpass Star until the heart trouble. Once he surpassed Star he was in consideration for the top 3 picks. He was hovering in the back of the top 10- top 15. Suddenly he is the top DT on the board and in discussion for the top pick.

[Yatagarasu]

No one knows how Chip Kelly's offense is going to be like in the NFL.

In college, Kelly's offense blew away opponents, but did met some resistance against tougher defenses like Stanford and Auburn.

It could be a gimmick like the Wild Cat Offense and Cam Newton's spread offense, which have been exposed and conquered.

However, with teams like San Francisco, Washington, and Seattle, I assume the NFL is studying and finding ways to take out the option read offense.

I heard it's not going to be pretty because all you do to beat option read is hit the QB because he is going to be a sitting duck.

However, even our team in the Super Bowl was befuddled by Kaepernick's athleticism and ability as a dual threat.

I guess we might have to draft tough minded option-read destroyers like Matt Elam or Jon Bostic.

[gabefergy]

Star is better player than Floyd IMO, and could see Philly taking him as he has versatility to play multiple positions in a 3 or 4 man front.

Also don't discount the possibility of Geno going to Philly if Jacksonville doesn't take him.

[The Oakland Cathedral]

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Can you pin-point exactly when the media's opinion on Lotulelei started to fall? Regardless, the hype surrounding Floyd didn't come overnight and hasn't directly correlated with opinion Star. Perhaps some in the media were slow to catch on but Daniel Jeremiah reported back in late January that a high-ranking NFL exec guaranteed Floyd would be a top-10 pick. If that's true, he's been well-regarded by NFL scouts for a while.

His Combine was definitely average but that does nothing to diminish what he did on the field. No, his production wasn't gaudy but he did a ton of things that don't show up on the stat sheet.
[/quote]I disagree with the average combine a little bit. He looked incredible quick, agile, and fluid for a DT which is very impressive and greatly improves his combine grade IMO.

[Ed_Reed20]

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I disagree with the average combine a little bit. He looked incredible quick, agile, and fluid for a DT which is very impressive and greatly improves his combine grade IMO.
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I should have specified. His times/measurements weren't eye-popping but I'll take your word that he excelled in the positional drills.

[The Oakland Cathedral]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1365134654' post='1425427']
I should have specified. His times/measurements weren't eye-popping but I'll take your word for it that he excelled in the positional drills.
[/quote]I figured that is what you meant but I just wanted to point out he did demonstrate he had something special to offer physically compared to the other defensive tackles.