Karlos Dansby anyone?

[RavenzAllDay]

I have heard us and the Vikings have reached out to Dansby through unreliable twitter sources lol, but he was right on the Dumervil and Huff signings. Take it for what its worth, it does make sence though and i would rather him than McClain

[The Oakland Cathedral]

[quote name='Corvus Amplus' timestamp='1364522963' post='1418982']
I think we signed all the players we need for our defense. ILB is still a need, but I think Ozzie will play it out in the draft.

ILBs for the draft:
Arthur Brown
Alec Olgetree
Kevin Minter
Manti Te'o
Kevin Reddick
Josh Bostic
Kiki Alonso
A.J. Klein
Gerald Hodges
Michael Mauti

If all those options are gone by the time we pick, then I hope Karlos Dansby is still available after the draft to sign a two year stop gap contract until we find a viable replacement. We have no idea how talented or developed our UDFA LBs. Also, Jameel McClain has another down year, he might be a candidate for release. The only reason he's still with the team even though he has a bad injury is the lack of depth or talent in the ILB after we lost Ray Lewis and Dannelle Ellerbe. McClain was good when we had him in his rookie contract, but his performance has failed to live up to his new contract. We need a to find a nice starting ILB, especially one that can cover the pass.

Hope Arthur Brown falls to us, so we can pick him at 32 and never look back. However, we might even consider trading up to get him if he falls far enough.

I'm not big on the other LBs, but if they are available in the 2nd round, I hope we find a good 3-down LB.

Mid Round talents could be Josh Bostic, who is a bowling bowl with underrated coverage skills. or a another speedy LB like Kevin Reddick or Kiki Alonso

I hope we keep an eye on A.J. Klein who could be an under-the-radar pick due to his lack of man coverage skills. However, if he's paired with one of the top LBs, he could be that jack ILB that does all the dirty work.
[/quote]I didn't see Keith Pough on that list but I'm pretty confident that he could play ILB effectively. He could probably be had in the 4th or later.

[HoldingCall]

The draft first!

[ravinHawaii]

Definitely... I feel like then we have the option to start McClain on the PUP or possibly cut him (Dansby will prob come cheaper) with the addition of an ilb in the draft to groom him

[CanadianRavensFan69]

I like Dansby on a 2 or 3 year contract if we can get him at the right price .... I think he will be wanting too much money which is something we don't have . If we can get a steal on him would love it . He is great against the run which will make us a top 3 run defensive team with him there and the additions we already made. He did have 101 solo tackles last year so i definitely think he has a few more strong years left in him.

[edthehead]

later B.A ,,,run off now

[Bltravens]

Was anyone else never really impressed with Dansby watching him play? He's an adequate MLB and all, but I never came away watching a game of his and being impressed with his play.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1364616855' post='1420042']
Was anyone else never really impressed with Dansby watching him play? He's an adequate MLB and all, but I never came away watching a game of his and being impressed with his play.
[/quote]

He was pretty impressive during his Cardinal days but he wasn't overly impressive as a Dolphin.

[marylandmike12]

Nahhhh.....Just get someone In the draft.

[cobrajet]

Dansby would be a good addition but that would leave us no wiggle room in cap space. If we had a left tackle, I would say go for it. We may want to see how the draft pans out, but with Dansby our defense would be fearsome with the other additions.

BTW, I still think Bynes can be good.

[AwakenTheDemon]

With talk recently coming up from Pees about possibly pushing Upshaw inside, I think the team is content to address the position via draft, not free agency.

In regards to Karlos, he wouldn't be bad, I wouldn't mind him if it came on a short, cheap deal while we drafted someone to groom in the meantime. However, Dansby doesn't strike me as someone who would be easily wooed with such a deal.

[raven from cali]

[quote name='Blackbirds Rule' timestamp='1364484416' post='1418426']
He's 31 6-4 250lbs. He's still a very effective player and solid veteran player. If you could sign him to a 2 year 6-8 million dollar deal. It wouldn't hurt our cap that drastically. It keeps our 12 picks in a way that we can trade up and get long term fixes for cheap. Dansby would allow us a 2 year window to groom a starting LB out of a draft pick this year and next year. Dansby and McClain would solidify the middle. Only a DT, SS, OT, and WR would need to be addressed early. You could then draft 2 LB's in the later rounds such as a Klein or Nico to sit and learn behind McClain and Dansby. The other positive of Dansby besides his height is the fact that he is a proven 3 down LB who can cover.

With this signing in the first round you can patiently wait for Elam. Trade up in the second and get Armstead. Later in the draft target Montori for you DT. With the remaining picks just target BPA for added depth. Armstead can take on LT in preseason to see if he can handle it. If he can't this soon get McKinnie if available or just put Oher there and move Armstead to RT for the year
.http://youtu.be/DutuE3N0vvU watch this video to see jon major hes a beast he can cover he can tackle hes very balanced and under the radar so we should draft him along with signing dansby to make a scary tandem of two 3 down linebackers that can cover and are great tacklers
[/quote]

[Blackbirds Rule]

[quote name='AwakenTheDemon' timestamp='1364665755' post='1420267']
With talk recently coming up from Pees about possibly pushing Upshaw inside, I think the team is content to address the position via draft, not free agency.

In regards to Karlos, he wouldn't be bad, I wouldn't mind him if it came on a short, cheap deal while we drafted someone to groom in the meantime. However, Dansby doesn't strike me as someone who would be easily wooed with such a deal.
[/quote]

That can change when the phone stops ringing. He's made pretty good money throughout his career. If he wants a chance at winning he'll go to a contender in need for a 1-3 year gap. At his age, with the new cba, older vets that get released don't get big paydays. (Dumervil excluded)

[lowrider]

[quote name='Blackbirds Rule' timestamp='1364821536' post='1421461']
That can change when the phone stops ringing. He's made pretty good money throughout his career. If he wants a chance at winning he'll go to a contender in need for a 1-3 year gap. At his age, with the new cba, older vets that get released don't get big paydays. (Dumervil excluded)
[/quote]
Dumervil is still 29 and Dansby is 32, and in the NFL that is a big difference. Dumervil had 11 sacks last year and that was a bad year. Elvis definitely has a couple quality years left in the tank. On the other hand, Dansby is a 32 year old on the back end of his career.

Note: I wasn't disagreeing with your point, I just felt that the age difference should be mentioned.

[beanfigger]

[quote name='lowrider' timestamp='1364837731' post='1421624']
Dumervil is still 29 and Dansby is 32, and in the NFL that is a big difference. Dumervil had 11 sacks last year and that was a bad year. Elvis definitely has a couple quality years left in the tank. On the other hand, Dansby is a 32 year old on the back end of his career.

Note: I wasn't disagreeing with your point, I just felt that the age difference should be mentioned.
[/quote]

I agree with most of what you said, but you just mentioned that Dumervil is coming off a "bad year." 11 sacks is still good, but if you're trying to make an age argument I don't think mentioning the decline of performance helps bolster your argument about him being more worth it. Especially considering Dansby just had a great year. He's a tackling machine, and I don't think that'll decline as fast as a pass rusher's ability.

However, Dansby won't get a payday near Dumervil's because of his position.

[lowrider]

[quote name='beanfigger' timestamp='1364838073' post='1421629']
I agree with most of what you said, but you just mentioned that Dumervil is coming off a "bad year." 11 sacks is still good, but if you're trying to make an age argument I don't think mentioning the decline of performance helps bolster your argument about him being more worth it. Especially considering Dansby just had a great year. He's a tackling machine, and I don't think that'll decline as fast as a pass rusher's ability.

However, Dansby won't get a payday near Dumervil's because of his position.
[/quote]
Dansby did have a solid year, and I can't say I have followed him specifically. I just don't know about his ability to rush the passer or dropback in coverage, which now carry more importance than tackles as the game changes.

That being said, I think the Ravens will see what they get in the draft. If they don't get a reliable talent then I can see them bringing in a likes of a veteran like Karlos Dansby. He would be cheap, bring some leadership, and be a solid force inside, which is the point you have been driving

[Blackbirds Rule]

[quote name='lowrider' timestamp='1364837731' post='1421624']
Dumervil is still 29 and Dansby is 32, and in the NFL that is a big difference. Dumervil had 11 sacks last year and that was a bad year. Elvis definitely has a couple quality years left in the tank. On the other hand, Dansby is a 32 year old on the back end of his career.

Note: I wasn't disagreeing with your point, I just felt that the age difference should be mentioned.
[/quote]

Dansby is 31, wouldn't turn 32 until midway through the season. The same way Dumervil turns 30 around playoff time. Dansby 101 tackles also. He still has 2 solid years left and could potentially give you a third. I'd like him to mentor all of our LB's that we draft and have on the roster currently.

[beanfigger]

Maybe I'm just being greedy, but if Karlos leaves Cincy without a deal, is it still worth checking him out? He is very good in pass coverage, and his veteran leadership could prove valuable to a ILB corp that is sure to be mostly young and/or inexperienced. Rolando signed for so cheap that there's still plenty of cash left for us to offer. Like I said, I could just be acting greedy, but does anyone else think he's still an option?

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='beanfigger' timestamp='1365648839' post='1430452']
Maybe I'm just being greedy, but if Karlos leaves Cincy without a deal, is it still worth checking him out? He is very good in pass coverage, and his veteran leadership could prove valuable to a ILB corp that is sure to be mostly young and/or inexperienced. Rolando signed for so cheap that there's still plenty of cash left for us to offer. Like I said, I could just be acting greedy, but does anyone else think he's still an option?
[/quote]
Lol, I hope the Bengals, Bears, Vikings, Giants or Packers get him so we could get Arthur Brown, but I will say I really like Dansby & I wouldn't be at all mad if we got him. I would be pretty happy, actually.

[beanfigger]

[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1365648918' post='1430453']
Lol, I hope the Bengals, Bears, Vikings, Giants or Packers get him so we could get Arthur Brown, but I will say I really like Dansby & I wouldn't be at all mad if we got him. I would be pretty happy, actually.
[/quote]

I see your point when it comes to helping Brown fall. I just think Dansby would be super-motivated, and he's clearly got plenty of production left in his career. I thought we were going to wait a talk to him post-draft anyway if he was still out there and we still had a need. That could potentially be the case even now, but it seems teams are finally showing interest in him, so I'm not sure he remains on the market that long anymore.

[Yatagarasu]

Signing Rolando McClain pretty much kills this thread. Unless...

[BMORElegacy]

[quote name='Corvus Amplus' timestamp='1365649817' post='1430470']
Signing Rolando McClain pretty much kills this thread. Unless...
[/quote]Unless Jameel is hurt bad.

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='Corvus Amplus' timestamp='1365649817' post='1430470']
Signing Rolando McClain pretty much kills this thread. Unless...
[/quote]
Why does it kill the thread? Did signing Chris Canty kill the idea of bringing in Marcus Spears?

[CARavensFan]

My guess is that unless someone signs him, Karlos won't join anyone until after the draft.

Depending on the draft and Jameel's health, I would be interested in picking Karlos up. If nothing else he'd add some spice to the Steelers games with his trash talk, a la Bart Scott.

[gabefergy]

On a one year deal, Dansby would be a much bigger addition than McClain. However, I doubt he comes for cheap and probably wants a multi year deal.

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1365653337' post='1430525']
On a one year deal, Dansby would be a much bigger addition than McClain. However, I doubt he comes for cheap and probably wants a multi year deal.
[/quote]
I agree. I don't think we will invest in him, not because of Rolando but because I don't know if we want to put money into an older LB for multiple years when we seem to be in a youth movement on defense to become faster.

[Ravenseconbeast]

[quote name='beanfigger' timestamp='1365648839' post='1430452']
Maybe I'm just being greedy, but if Karlos leaves Cincy without a deal, is it still worth checking him out? He is very good in pass coverage, and his veteran leadership could prove valuable to a ILB corp that is sure to be mostly young and/or inexperienced. Rolando signed for so cheap that there's still plenty of cash left for us to offer. Like I said, I could just be acting greedy, but does anyone else think he's still an option?
[/quote]

He isnt 'that' great. he was a feasible ILB that did his job. he had his mouth, but wasn't ever a pro bowl linebacker

from the way we are handling business in offseason...it seems like anyone over 30 yr old is off limits.

we are strictly getting younger. i wouldn't hold my breath grabbing him if he leaves bengals w/o a offer

[beanfigger]

[quote name='Ravenseconbeast' timestamp='1365654453' post='1430545']
He isnt 'that' great. he was a feasible ILB that did his job. he had his mouth, but wasn't ever a pro bowl linebacker

from the way we are handling business in offseason...it seems like anyone over 30 yr old is off limits.

we are strictly getting younger. i wouldn't hold my breath grabbing him if he leaves bengals w/o a offer
[/quote]

I'm not holding my breath, just being greedy. He is a very good ILB who is a tackling machine, and he ranks in the top four ILBs in terms of pass coverage, which is what we need. As far as his age, Dumervil is 29, Huff and Spears are 30, Canty is 31...Dansby is 31. He's basically the same age as most of the FAs we've already signed. I don't think that's a factor.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

[quote name='CARavensFan' timestamp='1365652598' post='1430515']
[b]My guess is that unless someone signs him, Karlos won't join anyone until after the draft.[/b]

Depending on the draft and Jameel's health, I would be interested in picking Karlos up. If nothing else he'd add some spice to the Steelers games with his trash talk, a la Bart Scott.
[/quote]

So basically you're saying he'll either sign with someone before the draft or he wont........??

Sorry I couldnt resist. But on a serious note, i agree with you. I dont think Rolando solves the issue especially since we dont know about Jameel. However, Roland is only 23 which is the same age as a lot of this years draft picks. Drafting a guy could give us 2 young studs for years to come if they both pan out...

But signing Rolando was basically he same as us trading up to draft an ILB with our first pick, just so happens this draft pick has 3 years experience in the NFL already. I think we wait until late in the draft to grab another ILB, which leads me to believe Dansby wouldnt be a bad addition if we could get a 2yr deal worth $5million with $2mill guaranteed. Cap hit of $1.5 mill in the first year.

Honestly we could really use a good veteran LB in the middle of the field who has experience reading offenses and setting his guys up in the right spots and making adjustments. Jameel did it in Rays absence for a few games and did fine, but again who knows what version of him is returning.... and I dont know if I want that duty in Rolando's, Bynes', McClellan's, or a 1st year rookies hands.

[AlaskanRavensFan]

I still would like to see Dansby come in because he provides depth and some veteran leadership. He's also got size, which appears to be something the FO wants right now. (Canty-6'7" 317lbs, Spears-6'4" 315lbs, McClain 6'4" 260) Pees is trying to build a Parcells type defense it seems, which is a more traditional 3-4 that requires larger inside linebackers who can take on guards. Dansby fits that need quite well at 6'4" 250. Furthermore, it wouldn't be a big deal to use some of the more athletic linebackers in obvious passing situations. I think bringing in Dansby would totally eliminate a need at the ILB which would help get Ozzie closer to being able to draft the BPA. That doesn't mean the Ravens wouldn't still draft some LBs, it would just keep them from having to draft for need.