The Left Tackle Dilemma

[Guest Mr. Nobody]

[quote name='redrum52' timestamp='1364425870' post='1417871']
I'm waiting for a "Jared Gaither Anyone?" thread.
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lol, the mods are in red alert since the news broke out

[BMORElegacy]

[quote name='horus13corvineus' timestamp='1364424487' post='1417840']
we need to jump to 10 for him... i got chargers as done deal to pick him at 11... that'd take this year and next year's 1sts plus some more
[/quote]I guy can dream. I recognize it would be reckless to pull an "Atlanta" but I just really really want him lol

[baltravens]

Resign Mckinnie for at least one more year, and then take it from there through the 2013 Draft.

[T3hRaven]

[quote name='RavenzAllDay' timestamp='1364424927' post='1417854']
Jared Gaither......... Lol i like Terron Armstead though
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No. Just no. Injuries have completely derailed his career, it is physically impossible for him to play at an effective level.

[MTRavensFan]

[quote name='Bazooka Joe' timestamp='1364419677' post='1417722']
McKinney vs. Gaither in Hardcore DogHouse match.

Both stand there looking at each other.
McKinney says, "I need more money."
Gaither says, "Me too."
Then they both agree to go through the motions.
Neither one is hitting the other.
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Fr***ing hilarious!

[BloodRaven]

Terron Armstead is not NFL ready and athleticism is not an indicator that he will be, Bruce Campbell was another tackle nobody had ever heard of until he became the 2010 combine warrior.

[BALTIMOREFLACCO]

[quote name='Bazooka Joe' timestamp='1364419677' post='1417722']
McKinney vs. Gaither in Hardcore DogHouse match.

Both stand there looking at each other.
McKinney says, "I need more money."
Gaither says, "Me too."
Then they both agree to go through the motions.
Neither one is hitting the other.
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nice

[The Oakland Cathedral]

[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1364429223' post='1417932']
Terron Armstead is not NFL ready and athleticism is not an indicator that he will be, Bruce Campbell was another tackle nobody had ever heard of until he became the 2010 combine warrior.
[/quote]Except a lot of people raved about Armstead well before the combine... He also dominated the senior bowl if I remember correctly. Armstead is NFL ready in quite a few peoples opinions.

[Blackbirds Rule]

[quote name='redrum52' timestamp='1364425870' post='1417871']
I'm waiting for a "Jared Gaither Anyone?" thread.
[/quote]

Lol I started to do one. I had it all typed up but I couldn't hit the post button. He's not worth the vet minimum. Gaither should be on Ryan Leaf out of the league status. He has talent but he's lazy and only cares about himself. He'll play just good enough to get a contract and signing bonus. Once he gets it his back will suddenly start hurting again and he won't play again until contract time comes around.

[RavenzAllDay]

[quote name='T3hRaven' timestamp='1364428032' post='1417915']


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No. Just no. Injuries have completely derailed his career, it is physically impossible for him to play at an effective level.
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It was a joke if you couldn't tell!!!! Anybody that has some knowledge about football and the Ravens would not want him back here

[PurpleCityLights]

Looks more & more like we may have to draft one.

[BloodRaven]

[quote name='Miami Hurricane' timestamp='1364430403' post='1417949']
Except a lot of people raved about Armstead well before the combine... He also dominated the senior bowl if I remember correctly. Armstead is NFL ready in quite a few peoples opinions.
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You mean the 3 or 4 people here who mocked him as a day 3 pick after the senior bowl? or the ones who started drinking the kool-aid when he lit up the combine? please.

[dirtybird10]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1364423936' post='1417819']
id take him at 32 if Arthur brown isn't there yes. I'd rather try and trade back with a team in the top 8 looking a QB and pick up a fourth though.
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Yea I hear ya, its all in Ozzies hands anyway. Just up to us to sit back and speculate. This is going to be an interesting draft IMO. I could see us doing a number of things. Even possibly moving up in the first, but I doubt it. I definitely think Oz is going to be very active in rounds 2-5.

[dirtybird10]

[quote name='PurpleCityLights' timestamp='1364433357' post='1418017']
Looks more & more like we may have to draft one.
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We definitely have to draft one, its the only way we get a LT for more than a year or two. However, I really feel we will bring Mckinney back for the right price, and feel that will happen soon. This would be the perfect scenario to draft a tackle in rounds 2-4 to groom under him for a year or two, or if we get lucky plug him in and let him rip.

[Tyler]

[quote name='MDCop' timestamp='1364423206' post='1417798']
Ok....I was looking at our roster because of our need at LT. I know there are talks of KO or Reid or Oher or even resigning McKinnie. However while i was looking I noticed a name. I remembered we signed this guy to a Futures contract and have not heard anything since...This guy is David Mims. I decided to do some research on him as well as the top tackles in the draft this year.

David Mims was a 3x All- CIAA and a 2x All American at Virginia Union.
6-8 1/4 331 lbs


His combine numbers were as follows:

5.32 40yd dash 26 inch vert 8'6" Broad and did 29 reps in the bench

This years class top OL prospect:

Luke Joeckel- 5.3 40 yd dash 28.5 Vert 7'11" broad 27 reps
Lane Johnson- 4.72 40 yddash 34 Vert 9'10 Broad 28 reps
Eric Fisher- 5.05 40 yd dash 28.5 vert 9'8" Broad 27 reps
Terron Armstead 4.71 40 yd dash 34.5 vert 9'4"Broad 31 reps

With those numbers he is equal or better then Joeckel and Fisher ( Considered the TOP 2 OL off the board ).

So I wonder where would have Mims gone in this draft....looks pretty good to me.

Anyway, I definatly see why we signed him away from the Chiefs with a Futures contract and I believe should be considered in the racr for the LT spot. I beleive we will draft a LT prospect in this draft...like a Chris Faulk in the 4th or if Armstead falls for some reason. Funny thing is this guy is already in house and knows our system......just saying. I know he is a small school product and I know nothing of his foot work or work ethic. However I know Ozzie normally wouldnt sign someone to a contract that is a scrub. Ozzie may have just striked again.....a year ago and we didnt even know it.
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I'm not sure combine numbers are the greatest tool to go off of.(see Bruce Campbell) I'm not sure if that's what your saying or not, nor do I know much about David Mims. I'm sure the 2x all American stat is nothing to take lightly, the guy obviously had skill. I just have to do more research than combine numbers to see what he is made of.

[The Oakland Cathedral]

[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1364434540' post='1418036']



You mean the 3 or 4 people here who mocked him as a day 3 pick after the senior bowl? or the ones who started drinking the kool-aid when he lit up the combine? please.
[/quote]No I mean the multiple online scouting reports that were released well over a month before the combine. Please. Maybe you should watch his tape before you comment on him not being NFL ready.

[BloodRaven]

[quote name='Miami Hurricane' timestamp='1364438969' post='1418113']
No I mean the multiple online scouting reports that were released well over a month before the combine. Please. Maybe you should watch his tape before you comment on him not being NFL ready.
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Maybe you should watch tape and come to you own conclusions instead of reading "multiple online scouting reports", oh thats right he's only played one game against good competition, awesome sample size right there!

[Tyler]

[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1364440392' post='1418143']



Maybe you should watch tape and come to you own conclusions instead of reading "multiple online scouting reports", oh thats right he's only played one game against good competition, awesome sample size right there!
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Small schools don't mean anything. Our 120 million dollar quarterback proves it. There are guys every year who come from schools you've never even heard of that turn out to be impact players. The thing I don't like about Armstead, is that I think of Bruce Campbell all over again. Campbell blew the combine out of the water and had similar measurables. Whether Armstead is a starting LT in the NFL will be judged in the future.

[The Oakland Cathedral]

[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1364440392' post='1418143']



Maybe you should watch tape and come to you own conclusions instead of reading "multiple online scouting reports", oh thats right he's only played one game against good competition, awesome sample size right there!
[/quote]I have watched his games that were available to me. You can see my evaluation of him in the draft section of the boards. I only brought up the scouting reports to make a point that it wasn't just the 2-3 people on here. You are right though no college player that has ever played against weaker competition has been successful. Get out of here with that and come back when you have some actual evidence to support your idea that he isn't NFL ready.

[Bltravens]

I said it about 2 months ago but I'll state it again. The amount of picks we have and the FA acquisitions have only strengthened the belief that I think we'll try to trade up to take a LT. Who that will be I have no idea because I don't pay attention to the offensive side of the ball much in terms of my own analysis. But that's my two cents.

[GrimCoconut]

I'm going on record by saying I doubt we trade up for a LT this year. I think it's more realistic to expect us to get Marquardt, Fragel, Mills or Devey & even Faulk, possibly Watson or Armstead than trading up for Lane Johnson.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1364443558' post='1418167']
I'm going on record by saying I doubt we trade up for a LT this year. I think it's more realistic to expect us to get Marquardt, Fragel, Mills or Devey & even Faulk, possibly Watson or Armstead than trading up for LT, EF, or LJ.
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Yooooou would after I just stated I thought we would trade up for a LT lol!

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1364443612' post='1418168']

Yooooou would after I just stated I thought we would trade up for a LT lol!
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Hey, just saying what I think. Now if Johnson, Joeckel or Fisher fell and are within 10 picks or so of us, now that's really possible. I doubt that happens.

[BloodRaven]

[quote name='Miami Hurricane' timestamp='1364441154' post='1418152']
I have watched his games that were available to me. You can see my evaluation of him in the draft section of the boards. I only brought up the scouting reports to make a point that it wasn't just the 2-3 people on here. You are right though no college player that has ever played against weaker competition has been successful. Get out of here with that and come back when you have some actual evidence to support your idea that he isn't NFL ready.
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Evidence? lol it's my opinion against yours, which is funny because when I said you overrated him in your evaluation a few days ago you said "[i]maybe" [/i]so what is it then? am I dead wrong that a raw 2nd day prospect isn't NFL ready? maybe?

[BloodRaven]

[quote name='Tyler' timestamp='1364440626' post='1418145']
Small schools don't mean anything. Our 120 million dollar quarterback proves it. There are guys every year who come from schools you've never even heard of that turn out to be impact players. The thing I don't like about Armstead, is that I think of Bruce Campbell all over again. Campbell blew the combine out of the water and had similar measurables. Whether Armstead is a starting LT in the NFL will be judged in the future.
[/quote]

With small schools there are always exceptions to the rule, but there is a rule for a reason. If he slots in from day one and holds his own I will be very surprised.

So is he the next Bruce Campbell or Joe Staley? that still remains to be seen.

[The Oakland Cathedral]

[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1364444850' post='1418179']


Evidence? lol it's my opinion against yours, which is funny because when I said you overrated him in your evaluation a few days ago you said "[i]maybe" [/i]so what is it then? am I dead wrong that a raw 2nd day prospect isn't NFL ready? maybe?
[/quote]I didn't say you were dead wrong. What I am trying to so is it is impossible to tell whether or not he is or isn't NFL ready, that is all. I apologize if it didn't come off that way. The maybe thing was more because my evaluation made it sound like he was the second coming of JO which is most likely a bit much but you never know he might be so I said maybe. That is all.

[BloodRaven]

[quote name='Miami Hurricane' timestamp='1364446765' post='1418195']
I didn't say you were dead wrong. What I am trying to so is it is impossible to tell whether or not he is or isn't NFL ready, that is all. I apologize if it didn't come off that way. The maybe thing was more because my evaluation made it sound like he was the second coming of JO which is most likely a bit much but you never know he might be so I said maybe. That is all.
[/quote]

Thats fair, no need to apologize either we're just discussing prospects.

From what I've seen he could have used another year in the weightroom to develop an anchor but that will come with time. He does have a lot of Oher in him, they both lack a punch in pass pro and they have near identical length (just under 6'5" with 34 inch arms) which could be the reason why he overextends at times. However, a lack of length doesn't break a left tackle as Jason Peters and Duane Brown have shown, they just need time to develop a good feel for positioning.

[gp311]

how do you guys feel about Ricky Wagner from Wisconsin? Haven't heard a whole lot about him on here but he comes from a prestigious OL college plus we could get him in the later rounds.. Isn't that why we have Juan Castillo? He's got a track record for developing later round OL into starters.

[reediddy]

I still think McKinnie will be brought back. I read somewhere (maybe in this forum, forgive me if I don't pay you credit) that the lack of interest garnered by McKinnie so far, could be a tactic our FO uses to decrease the price range for his potential return. Seems reasonable, feasible. Still would draft a LT though

[Yatagarasu]

[quote name='reediddy' timestamp='1364453184' post='1418237']
I still think McKinnie will be brought back. I read somewhere (maybe in this forum, forgive me if I don't pay you credit) that the lack of interest garnered by McKinnie so far, could be a tactic our FO uses to decrease the price range for his potential return. Seems reasonable, feasible. Still would draft a LT though
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I think the Front Office has leverage on McKinnie, since he wants to continue playing and getting paid to pay off that bad loan he made. The longer he wants, the lower his price tag goes. I think a one year little more than veteran minimum should be enough to keep him as our LT. However, incentives have to be made because there's always the possibility that he will come back overweight. I think our front office wants to keep Oher on the right, while we find a left tackle.