Should we move Lardarius Webb to FS?

[flynismo]

[quote name='Purple Nurple' timestamp='1364353556' post='1416709']
Bengals game? His first game I think. I'm too lazy to look it up.
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Nope, that was against Oakland. Bengals game was his 38 yard TD run.

Wait....maybe Flacco should convert to RB??

[HoldingCall]

Don't like the idea! Why potentially deplete your CB position when it is easier to just find a safety.

[Purple Nurple]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1364354485' post='1416720']


Nope, that was against Oakland. Bengals game was his 38 yard TD run.

Wait....maybe Flacco should convert to RB??
[/quote]

Now you're talking! Reverse Wildcat.

[The Raven]

[quote name='Mr. Irrelevant' timestamp='1364349273' post='1416640']
Oh boy.
I think Hawaii has helped me get my sanity back.

Hmmm. If I was on a computer, this would be the perfect time for Steve Carell.

While we are at it, lets move Suggs to MLB, Rice to Slot, and Flacco to LT as he is big enough .

Lets also move Pitta to FB, and Dumerville to DE.

Ngata is also out of position, I heard once he could play FS. Lets move him there.
[/quote]

Go to the freakin beach dude. Drink a pina colada. Something! Just don't spend your vacation on here! Please!

As for the topic, in five years, yeah. I can see it. But not now!

[The Raven]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1364352818' post='1416697']
He wasn't [i]elite[/i]...yet.


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Haha!

[Alexir]

[quote name='RavensDE' timestamp='1364346731' post='1416604']
So I got to thinking about our personnel and how we like to move guys around...

Webb
The last time Webby came off an injury and to be frank when any human (AP not included) comes off an ACL tear I feel like they don't get that speed and quickness back the first year, especially the first half of the first year...
-What if the Ravens moved him to FS?
It's not crazy. He rules the nickel, tackles well and played Safety in college. It might explain why we have few worries and fits our depth a lil better. Maybe I'm crazy (mos def) but it seems plausible to me.
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He is wayyyyy too good at CB and getting paid wayyyy too much money to play safety.

Omar Brown, Christian Thompson and Emmanuel Cook will step up. And whatever other safety we get with one of our 12 picks.

[flynismo]

[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1364353523' post='1416708']
If Webb doesn't play well as a CB, if the double ACL is more severe than we expect then yes, I think this would be the time to do it. You have a strong CB class and it's possible we can get some more CBs to replace Webb. Even another guy with his name could do it, who looks like an excellent slot CB.

I don't think this idea is bad at all. I knew you would get flamed. To be honest, this subject is getting old. It's been suggested numerous times. I don't think it comes to fruition myself, but I can see why some would consider it. The idea makes more sense than Jimmy Smith to FS at the very least. It also makes more sense than Dennis Pitta to WR, or Upshaw to MLB. All ideas suggested by some around here.

Personally, I would sooner put Graham or Asa Jackson at FS than Webb.
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I dont really think it makes sense at all. In the best case scenario, we lose a shutdown corner, which is far more more valuable than either S position, and replace him with unproven players.

Conversely, if we move him because he is not physically capable of playing CB anymore, now we have a guy with two gimp knees trying to make open field tackles, on top of the unproven talent replacing him at CB.

If he is physically unfit due to his knees, he is worthless to us no matter where he plays

[BloodRaven]

It looks like either Brown or Smith is playing the nickel so the odd man out could conceivably try out for a starting spot since there is no incumbent.

[baltravens]

Yeah, I can see it now, Webb at FS and Flacco at SS.lol

[AsianRice]

I don't bother to read the rest, judging from the title of the post. I would say "hell no!"

[Guest Mr. Nobody]

Ray Rice as OLB... he's got guns you know

[Jalxsu]

Got to say, would be very interested in seeing Ngata at fullback.

Maybe even having T Sizzle running behind him at Tailback!

[cushrinada1986]

The one thing I have seen the ravens do with pretty good success is covert guys to different positions. I remember when deion was here and for a time they converted him to FS and it worked out pretty well. the fact of the matter is this, Webb is our best corner, true but he also has experience in the FS position due to college. If you think logically, this may actually not be that bad of an idea. As a safety, you can roam more of the field than a corner who is stuck on one side of the field per play, that means to not worry about Webb, all you would have to do is just not throw to his side, making him a non factor if they are getting success on the other side. Also, as a safety, he would be able to play a role I think he could do real well, be that center fielder that Reed was here. Webb is younger, faster, and able to make plays that Reed no longer can due to his advanced age and as much as it hurts to say that its true and to be honest, would you want to have a unproven player or rookie be the last line of our defense? With webb back there and Ihedibo as our thumper and run support guy, that could limit the amount of long balls we see from other teams, especially if you take into account that most teams wont have that much time to pass since Suggs and Elvis will be chasing them down every play. Until we can find a proven safety or draft a sure player like Elam or Reid, I am all up for the idea. I think the opportunity would allow players like Jimmy and Chykie to take chances on jumping routes more if they know they have a proven, instinctual player like webb back there keeping all the long bombs at a minimum.

[Gtown Purple]

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='RavensDE' timestamp='1364349091' post='1416636']
Yeah yeah, but it looks like that's the way its working out. Of course we don't move a shutdown corner but if he shows a lack of quickness necessary at corner which is common among returning ACL, I see a match. Maybe you're right but I bet he plays a lot of nickel in 3 corner sets for the same reasons.
[/quote]he done that last part anyway, your point there is moot

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1364358246' post='1416755']


I dont really think it makes sense at all. In the best case scenario, we lose a shutdown corner, which is far more more valuable than either S position, and replace him with unproven players.

Conversely, if we move him because he is not physically capable of playing CB anymore, now we have a guy with two gimp knees trying to make open field tackles, on top of the unproven talent replacing him at CB.

If he is physically unfit due to his knees, he is worthless to us no matter where he plays
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Well, while I would normally agree here and actually do agree the idea isn't my preference, it isn't totally out of this world. For one, the Ravens picked up his 5M bonus. That tells me something. Personally, I feel the entire idea is moot but just speculating it is possible. I would hate to look stupid later if Webb moves to FS, as I learned some lessons in that regard before.

But as I said in the rest of my post, I really don't see this happening and would rather move other players before Webb. I think Graham is the prime candidate to play FS if we don't get Huff & don't get a FS we want & if Thompson can't play it.

[Kwothdaraven]

I keep hearing people on the radio suggesting webb being moved to safety. It blows my mind everytime that anyone would think it was a good idea to move a top 3 shutdown corner who hasnt given up a td in years to safety. Safety is where they move corners who are in their mid 30s.

Maybe if webb came back with a busted knee that didnt heal right, then maybe. Otherwise its an idiotic move. People around here are spoiled of 10 years of ed reed and think that safety is more vital than corner. Well ita not. We were just lucky to have the GOAT safety and made it seem that way. Reed was special, no one else is going to make the FS position seem as crucial as Ed did.

Webb belongs at corner, without any doubt. It would be like switching suggs to mlb because ray retired. It would eliminate whats special about suggs

[RedFire]

[quote name='Kwothdaraven' timestamp='1364400240' post='1417000']
I keep hearing people on the radio suggesting webb being moved to safety. It blows my mind everytime that anyone would think it was a good idea to move a top 3 shutdown corner who hasnt given up a td in years to safety. Safety is where they move corners who are in their mid 30s.

Maybe if webb came back with a busted knee that didnt heal right, then maybe. Otherwise its an idiotic move. People around here are spoiled of 10 years of ed reed and think that safety is more vital than corner. Well ita not. We were just lucky to have the GOAT safety and made it seem that way. Reed was special, no one else is going to make the FS position seem as crucial as Ed did.

Webb belongs at corner, without any doubt. It would be like switching suggs to mlb because ray retired. It would eliminate whats special about suggs
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He had another knee injury and will likely be slower....that other crap people are saying with sarcasm about moving nagata to RB and Flacco to WR sarcasm is corny! Slowed down corners become safetys a lot of time.

It be nice for Webb to play corner....but if he never gets back to speed we can still use his football talents and football IQ in a position that require a little less speed. He's a good football player and that's better than cutting the man from the team IMO.

[rmw10]

And Huff is now on board. Hopefully this topic can die for good for a few years.

[BMOREHAWAII]

Ask a simple question and get a bunch of stupid answers.

Why comment on the thread with "Ugh, this again!" or "Not like we didn't hear this one before!" if you dont like the idea. Stick to your bread and butter in praising Joe Flacco..

Back on topic, i think moving Webb to Safety would be an awesome idea if he is willing and healthy enough to work his knee enough. He WAS a shutdown corner, but forcing him against guys like Andre Johnson etc. at CB is a move i wouldn't want to take with Webb right away.

HE WAS A SAFETY IN COLLEGE...

[BMOREHAWAII]

[quote name='Mr. Irrelevant' timestamp='1364349273' post='1416640']
Oh boy.
I think Hawaii has helped me get my sanity back.

Hmmm. If I was on a computer, this would be the perfect time for Steve Carell.

While we are at it, lets move Suggs to MLB, Rice to Slot, and Flacco to LT as he is big enough .

Lets also move Pitta to FB, and Dumerville to DE.

Ngata is also out of position, I heard once he could play FS. Lets move him there.
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You do know that Webb excelled as a Safety in college...

Hawaii can't help some people lol

[SecretAgentMan]

[quote name='BMOREHAWAII' timestamp='1364407398' post='1417307']

You do know that Webb excelled as a Safety in college...

Hawaii can't help some people lol
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You never move an elite CB out of position. We have Huff now. No need

[BMOREHAWAII]

[quote name='Mr. Irrelevant' timestamp='1364408927' post='1417387']
You never move an elite CB out of position. We have Huff now. No need
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He just tore his ACL and haven't had physical football activity for months.
Im sure he will get plugged in to the CB position right away and expected to resume being elite...

And who's playing next to Huff?

[1/28/01]

[quote name='BMOREHAWAII' timestamp='1364407157' post='1417297']
Ask a simple question and get a bunch of stupid answers.

Why comment on the thread with "Ugh, this again!" or "Not like we didn't hear this one before!" if you dont like the idea. Stick to your bread and butter in praising Joe Flacco..

Back on topic, i think moving Webb to Safety would be an awesome idea if he is willing and healthy enough to work his knee enough. He WAS a shutdown corner, but forcing him against guys like Andre Johnson etc. at CB is a move i wouldn't want to take with Webb right away.

HE WAS A SAFETY IN COLLEGE...
[/quote]

Ugh, you again?

[izvoodoo]

[quote name='BMOREHAWAII' timestamp='1364409384' post='1417407']
He just tore his ACL and haven't had physical football activity for months.
Im sure he will get plugged in to the CB position right away and expected to resume being elite...

And who's playing next to Huff?
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You know where he hasn't excelled at safety? In the NFL.
You know where he played well in the NFL? Corner.
You know where he's playing next season? Corner.

[BMOREHAWAII]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1364409519' post='1417419']
Ugh, you again?
[/quote]
Sigh.. Sorry about Reed

[BMOREHAWAII]

[quote name='izvoodoo' timestamp='1364409661' post='1417428']
You know where he hasn't excelled at safety? In the NFL.
You know where he played well in the NFL? Corner.
You know where he's playing next season? Corner.
[/quote]
OK, Thanks insider guy that i've never heard of !

[beanfigger]

The biggest issue with this hypothetical move is that the Ravens would have to demand that Webb accept a pay cut because he would be way overpaid as a safety. It would throw our numbers way out of whack. I don't think Webb would agree, so we would be forced to consider cutting him. I don't want that. Leave things alone where they belong.

[DMH_in_WA]

What I found funny about this whole thread is how the vast majority of the people mocking the OP and saying "no" kept saying the SAME thing "He's a shutdown corner" ("shutdown corner" is about as overused a term as "elite QB") without acknowledging that after having surgery now on -both- knees, he may not be the corner he once was.

What is it that teams often do when a corner is no longer able to cover his position the way he could but still can play at a high level? They usually shift them to safety where there is less physical strain on the legs and far less one on one. So I'm not sure why the sarcasm and making fun of the OP when Webb actually played Safety in college and was good at it.

The point is mute now with Huff being signed. That probably means that if Webb ends up not being able to perform at Corner the way he did after having the surgery then he probably just gets cut. Although, Huff can and has played CB I don't see them flip-flopping those positions.

[BMOREHAWAII]

2 torn ACL in what 2-3 years? Not sure he wants to go back to Corner. I just hope he returns healthy..