Paul Kruger vs. Elvis Dumervil

[BloodRaven]

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Jabaal Sheard, Desmond Bryant, Phil Taylor, Athyba Rubin, John Hughes, Billy Winn. The Browns actually have a very talented DL.
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Last season you could hand off to Stephen Hawking and rush for 200 yards on that vaunted dline.

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Last season you could hand off to Stephen Hawking and rush for 200 yards on that vaunted dline.
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I'd pay good money to see that one

[BloodRaven]

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I'd pay good money to see that one
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Lol imagine him cut back and burst through the crease in his wheelchair, head tiled to the side, defenders in his dust.

[gabefergy]

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Last season you could hand off to Stephen Hawking and rush for 200 yards on that vaunted dline.
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Last year Phil Taylor was injured and they didn't have Bryant. Even then, Ray Rice averaged a cool 3.4 ypc against them last season and they ended up allowing less yards then we did on the ground.

[Guest RBates]

Wow Kruger is not even close to the player DOOM is! Hands down Dumervil!

[1/28/01]

Serious?

[edreed2o]

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Last season you could hand off to Stephen Hawking and rush for 200 yards on that vaunted dline.
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Exactly. Why are people saying how good the browns d-line is? Everytime we face the browns, we just run it down their throats and get big yardage. That's what every team does to the browns.

[admartian]

Is thread serious?

[jdynamite]

Watching nfl live and it amazes me with this segment of Ravens FA losses and gains thus far. And they listed us as having lost 6 defensive starters including Kruger amongst that. And Kruger was not technically a starter I get they want to amp up the loss of him lol but he was not the starter or anything close to an every down player.

[rlh445]

I haven't read the thread save for the OP. I'm of the opinion that Kruger came by his nice stats this past season 'magically' because it was a contract year. I HATE that. We drafted Suggs, and he produced that year and every year after....even the year he tore his Achilles and busted up his arm. Sure this past season he wasn't himself, but he was the DPOY in 2011 and no contract was coming up. Maybe it was coincidence and I wish Paul nothing but the best, but again I HATE it when guys don't do jack squat until the time comes for their money to rise and all of a sudden they, 'get it,'. Perhaps the Ravens would have made much more of an effort to pay and keep Kruges if he'd just done what he obviously knew how to do and that's make an impact and not wait until it was time for him to get paid. Dumvervil is obviously, [b]obviously [/b]a better player than Paul........and it's not even close.

[ellicottraven]

Next it is going to be Ray Lewis vs some young buck who had a good season! Stop Dumervil has 65 sacks in 7 seasons and in one season he missed a lot of games too....

[rlh445]

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Cleveland by far jumped the gun and overpaid. Cleveland also does not have the kind of staff and personel that Ravens do, to develop quality players.[b] Browns will not get the same kind of production of out Kruger that Ravens got. It won't even be close. Do you want to know why? Because everytime any other player left Ravens for other teams, they by far underperformed. They are as good as the system.[/b]

And maaaaybe if it was some other quality team you could argue that point, but this is Cleveland we're talking about here. They moved up in the first round to grab a running back (who's talented but still, we're talking The Quarterback Draft) and then later drafted 29 year old Weeden. Those people wear Pumpkins for heads.
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Please do not feel this is an attack on you personally, MassRavens but I HAVE to address this. EVERY TEAMS' FANBASE SAYS THIS. Look at the Broncos board, they're all over that saying. The Patsies are saying the same thing about Welker. Every fanbase believes that guys they let go never pan out everywhere else even though it's not really true. We, as the Ravens fanbase, ALWAYS cite Adalius Thomas, but that guy did quite well in New England for ahwile. Jim Leonhard did quite well for the Jets as did Bart. Perhaps we didn't see them doing well because we weren't watching them any longer but both of the aforementioned Jets players stood fast to their average stats after they left here. Guys DO do well once they leave their original franchises. Plenty of guys have left the Ravens and have become nothings like Edgerton Hartwell or BJ Sams (does anyone even remember those guys?) but they weren't much when they were here. Sams at least made a bigger impact here. I dunno, that just sticks in my craw a lot. I don't wanna derail the thread, I apologize.

[bMore Heathen]

I find it so funny when people cling to things like "Kruger is the most productive OLB according to pff".
You do realize why that is right? Kruger was on the field for 15-20 snaps a game, whereas most 3-4 OLBs are on the field for 50+ snaps a game. Of course the guy with fewer snaps is going to have a higher average. If Kruger was on the field on every down, he would most likely grade out in the bottom of the league. (which is how he looked early on in the year without Suggs) That is the way it is, Dumervil has more production, more experience, and more upside to us then Kruger ever did. (And a much lower salary) If Dumervil was a FA at the beginning, I guarantee the Browns would have thrown all that mony at him, instead of Kruger.

[Yatagarasu]

Paul Kruger was considered a red star prospect back in 2009, where everyone in the organization were high on him. He was built like a 4-3 DE, but had to adjust as a 3-4 OLB. Then when that wasn't working, he had to bulk up to be a 3-4 DE. After that, it was flip-flop for him to find a way to get into the starting line-up with our veterans in the way. It was a shame that we didn't maximize his potential here and it took all four years for him to produce in the pass-rushing terror he has become. He has weakness like coverage and run support because he was drafted to be an 3-4 OLB, maybe due to his tools. Cleveland is going to try him out as a Terrell Suggs, so good luck with that, but good thing we're going to get a good compensation for his loss along with the empty cap space to invest in a more established talent in Elvis Dumervil,

[Yatagarasu]

People kind of look down on Dumervil because he was short, but he keeps producing as a sack master. Broncos had the best years on him when they were using the 3-4 OLB, which emphasize on quicker and more mobile DE, rather then the big and stout DE for the 4-3 DE. Dumervil may have a down year last year due to the fact he was horrid in run support, but his presence did help Von Miller to get some sacks. The 3-4 defense will help maximize his short yet quick frame to maneuver around the offensive line. As for run-defense, we have to hope that our D-line can close our the running holes and we find an aggressive LB that can do mop-up duty, while Dumervil does what he does best, which is the pressure the QB.