Now who is the best pass rusher on the Ravens?

[Yatagarasu]

Suggs - 12 sacks
Dumervil - 15 sacks
Upshaw - 4 sacks
Canty - 6 sacks
McPhee - 7 sacks
Ngata - 3 sacks
Jones - 3 sacks
Rest - 10 sacks
Total: 60 sacks

[Yatagarasu]

2011 Sacks:
Suggs - 14 sacks
McPhee - 6 sacks
Kruger - 5.5 sacks
Ngata - 5 sacks
Redding - 4.5 sacks
Johnson - 2.5 sacks
Lewis - 2 sacks
Pollard - 2 sacks
Ayanbadejo - 1.5 sacks
Webb - 1 sack
Reed - 1 sack
McClain - 1 sack
Carr - 1 sack
Zbikowski - 1 sack

Total: 48 sack

[Yatagarasu]

We got a deep d-line depth that can disrupt the passer, but I wouldn't mind adding another playmaker who can wreck the trenches. When a QB has 2 seconds to throw instead of 4 seconds, it is a win for our defense.

[H8R]

[quote name='Corvus Amplus' timestamp='1364331136' post='1416374']
2011 Sacks:
Suggs - 14 sacks
McPhee - 6 sacks
Kruger - 5.5 sacks
Ngata - 5 sacks
Redding - 4.5 sacks
Johnson - 2.5 sacks
Lewis - 2 sacks
Pollard - 2 sacks
Ayanbadejo - 1.5 sacks
Webb - 1 sack
Reed - 1 sack
McClain - 1 sack
Carr - 1 sack
Zbikowski - 1 sack

Total: 48 sack
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I think we can do better.

[easternshore97]

Wonder if the McAdoo kid bulked up at all. He could def be one of those guys that brings the pain at some point

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='Bazooka Joe' timestamp='1364243072' post='1415116']
Better question.

Who has the best passrush threat in AFCN?

Ravens. Even after Suggs, Doom, Canty and Ngata, we have young prospects like Hhamilton and McAdoo. Even Art Jones and Upshaw and whomever we get in the draft. We're talentted but also extremely deep
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AFCN? Us, and it's not even close. We're so deep at this point, and a team like Houston has lost Connor Barwin, I have no problem saying we're going to be right up there with the best in the NFL. Plus we get our elite cover corner back next year and perhaps some serious infusion of new talent in the secondary.

[Dudeman]

So far I am seeing a lot of similarities in Suggs and Dumervil. Both players have a strong bull rush and they make strong tackles that force fumbles. They have great instincts for snap counts and a strong quick first step.

Obviously Suggs is much bigger and is known for being a jack of all trades rugged defender. But Dumervil really doesn't get credit for being a physical, hard nosed player as well.

So in the end if they do compete for sacks then thats a good problem to have. Who knows what happens but it would be great to see double digit sacks from both players. Let's not forget what this does for all the other players in the front seven as well. It will mean a lot more of one on one, or free rush plays on defense. Heck it really should have a ripple effect going through the whole defense. The faster an opposing offense needs to play, the quicker they get off the field.

I was thinking though, is there a dark horse for number three in the sack department that could benefit from the extra attention that Suggs and Dumervil should command? How about a healthy Haloti Ngata for starters? Imagine Ngata getting more one on one attention, or god help the man he tackles if he goes unblocked by accident (or idiot design.)

[beasy2487]

[quote name='Dudeman' timestamp='1364352473' post='1416689']
So far I am seeing a lot of similarities in Suggs and Dumervil. Both players have a strong bull rush and they make strong tackles that force fumbles. They have great instincts for snap counts and a strong quick first step.

Obviously Suggs is much bigger and is known for being a jack of all trades rugged defender. But Dumervil really doesn't get credit for being a physical, hard nosed player as well.

So in the end if they do compete for sacks then thats a good problem to have. Who knows what happens but it would be great to see double digit sacks from both players. Let's not forget what this does for all the other players in the front seven as well. It will mean a lot more of one on one, or free rush plays on defense. Heck it really should have a ripple effect going through the whole defense. The faster an opposing offense needs to play, the quicker they get off the field.

I was thinking though, is there a dark horse for number three in the sack department that could benefit from the extra attention that Suggs and Dumervil should command? How about a healthy Haloti Ngata for starters? Imagine Ngata getting more one on one attention, or god help the man he tackles if he goes unblocked by accident (or idiot design.)
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I'm gonna say the dark horse beneficiary of all of our off season moves to this point is Pernell McPhee. With the emergence of Jones as a high quality run defender, the addition of Canty and Spears, and Haloti moving to NT, McPhee is going to be able to rush constantly. Hopefully they have him drop back around his rookie weight and dominate RGs with his speed and ever-improving technique.

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='beasy2487' timestamp='1364353268' post='1416704']


I'm gonna say the dark horse beneficiary of all of our off season moves to this point is Pernell McPhee. With the emergence of Jones as a high quality run defender, the addition of Canty and Spears, and Haloti moving to NT, McPhee is going to be able to rush constantly. Hopefully they have him drop back around his rookie weight and dominate RGs with his speed and ever-improving technique.
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McPhee would be my guess, but thinking outside the box I would say perhaps the CB blitz by Webb (very good at this) or a MLB/ILB. With Ngata collapsing the interior pocket & Suggs & Dumervil on the edges, you should see holes in the interior.

Might even see some safety blitzes with Thompson or Brown or whoever we bring here. Even Ihedigbo.

[redrum52]

Terrence Cody.

[Militant X 1]

whoever gets to the QB the most!

~Mili

[The Raven]

[quote name='Corvus Amplus' timestamp='1364330634' post='1416364']
Suggs - 12 sacks
Dumervil - 15 sacks
Upshaw - 4 sacks
Canty - 6 sacks
McPhee - 7 sacks
Ngata - 3 sacks
Jones - 3 sacks
Rest - 10 sacks
Total: 60 sacks
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Really ambitious, but I can see it. Don't see Canty getting six sacks though.

[ellicottraven]

Are you serious? Suggs of course! Give him a Dumervil on the other side and he will scare the pants out of QBs!

[rlh445]

Dumervil. He's the best pass rusher as of now on the team. I wouldn't have said Kruger this past season, but yea..Dumervil. Suggs is still the best LB on the team.

[JoeyFlex5]

a healthy suggs will outsack dumervil. honestly i see us leading the nfl in sacks. my projections:
suggs 13
dumervil 11
mcphee 8
jones 6
ngata 4-5
with canty and spears and upshaw gettin 3-4 and some randoms such as draft picks, and people like adrian hamilton, mcadoo, mclellan and a few db's gettin 1 or 2 each.

we will have too much talent in the front 7 for teams to keep multiple players from getting to the qb.

[JoeyFlex5]

and for the kruger/dumervil comparisons.. kruger was, is, and still will be an excellent pass rusher, and you can bank on it. that guy was the real deal, and even if he isnt getting 12+ sacks a season, he will make the most out of each sack, making sacks on crucial 3rd downs, causing strip-sacks, and batting passes at the line, because regardless of his sack numbers, krug has had a strong nose for the football since he stepped on the field, example : in his early days when everyone thought he was worthless, he had the OT int. against the steelers, he batted the ball in the AFCCG LAST YEAR and dove and almost picked it off on a crucial 3rd down. kruger is just one of those guys, and i wish he could have stayed, but dumervil is without a doubt, better at just flat out getting to the qb, but he just doesnt seem to have that knack for showing up at huge times, and causing game changing plays like kruger did, but then again, thats what a healthy suggs does better than just about anyone

[beasy2487]

[quote name='JoeyFlex5' timestamp='1364530939' post='1419076']
and for the kruger/dumervil comparisons.. kruger was, is, and still will be an excellent pass rusher, and you can bank on it. that guy was the real deal, and even if he isnt getting 12+ sacks a season, he will make the most out of each sack, making sacks on crucial 3rd downs, causing strip-sacks, and batting passes at the line, because regardless of his sack numbers, krug has had a strong nose for the football since he stepped on the field, example : in his early days when everyone thought he was worthless, he had the OT int. against the steelers, he batted the ball in the AFCCG LAST YEAR and dove and almost picked it off on a crucial 3rd down. kruger is just one of those guys, and i wish he could have stayed, but dumervil is without a doubt, better at just flat out getting to the qb, but he just doesnt seem to have that knack for showing up at huge times, and causing game changing plays like kruger did, but then again, thats what a healthy suggs does better than just about anyone
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Agree with everything you said except that Dumervil doesn't make game-changing plays. Martindale's major point of praise was that Dumervil always seems to be the guy that makes the play... when he's playing in the right position. Denver had him out-of-position as a 4-3 DE, but now that he's going to be doing more standing up I expect him to wreak havoc. The beautiful thing about it is that he'll make Suggs better. I remember 2 years ago in his DPOY seasons, other players would talk about how competitive Sizzle gets about sacks... and that was without another elite guy on the team. I could see Suggs and Doom having a healthy competition to see who can rack up the most. I see Doom getting more sacks but Suggs having a better overall season when account for things like Ints, FFs, Batted Balls, TFL, etc.

[The Oakland Cathedral]

I could see Ngata rack up double digit sacks this year with less attention on him.

[Dudeman]

[quote name='Miami Hurricane' timestamp='1364841057' post='1421715']
I could see Ngata rack up double digit sacks this year with less attention on him.
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If Ngata gets 10+ sacks then I see him being the next Raven to be DPOY.

[The Oakland Cathedral]

[quote name='Dudeman' timestamp='1364874694' post='1422319']


If Ngata gets 10+ sacks then I see him being the next Raven to be DPOY.
[/quote]Let's hope!

[billick]

I say DUM. Sizzle will have more on his plate, with our losing a lot of vetern LB's.

Maybe we should turn Elvis loose for a month or so, just to see how he is blocked/scouted. Suggs may not be 100 % during the early schedule. Give the man some time to heal.

This team is about peeking after the first 16 games.

[Raven07]

I think pass rushers (to me) are based on how well he and the rest of the D-Line gels together and becomes one driving force. I don't think it will be Doom all alone as the best, or Suggs all alone..... I think as complete unit, the Ravens Pass rush will be a force to reckoned with. no one player being the source to the success but rather the combination domino effect which causes each player to perform their best. resulting in a dominant PR.

[Dudeman]

[quote name='Raven07' timestamp='1365103067' post='1424928']
I think pass rushers (to me) are based on how well he and the rest of the D-Line gels together and becomes one driving force. I don't think it will be Doom all alone as the best, or Suggs all alone..... I think as complete unit, the Ravens Pass rush will be a force to reckoned with. no one player being the source to the success but rather the combination domino effect which causes each player to perform their best. resulting in a dominant PR.
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I like that and I agree with that too. But someone is going to be the beneficiary in the "sack" department. It's also true that certain positions are designed and designated as a pass rush position. Sure those positions have other responsibilities, but sometimes players can get exposed that way too.

Obviously a good pass rush starts with strong inside pressure up the middle. The more blockers that are needed inside will automatically negate the amount of blockers or even receivers available on the outside. At that point the edge player/OLB/DE will have a chance to "tee" off when a pass play is put into motion.

So again hypothetically you're looking at Suggs or Doom to lead the team in sacks. But just because you lead the team in sacks doesn't necessarily mean you applied the most QB pressure.