Now who is the best pass rusher on the Ravens?

[Dudeman]

As most of you already know we just signed Elvis Dumervil.

Is Dumervil now our number 1 pass rusher?

Will Dumervil lead our team in sacks?

Who is the better pure pass rusher, Suggs or Dumervil?

I think most of us can agree that Dumervil is better than Kruger. But would you rather have kept the home-grown talent with the upside, or bring in the best pass rusher in free agency?

Lastly, what number will Dumervil wear?

[PuRock]

He could always buy #58 from McAdoo (if he sticks around). Dumervil wore that number in college.

I still think of Suggs as our main pass rusher and I don't doubt he'll probably lead us in sacks. Just the attention that Dumervil will attract will let Suggs become more effective.

Homegrown or not, doesn't matter, as long as we don't overpay. I say we won there.

[TDubbs]

Suggs is the number 1 pass rusher IMO. But it is a nice thing to be able to debate, Thank you Ozzie!

Im loving the acquisition of Doomer quite a bit, having now had a chance to really look through his career highlights. I generally prefer home grown talent, but in this situation I'm happy with it. He fits our scheme perfectly, and has that relationship with our LB's coach, so it's a nice fit. I see him sticking in the 90's with maybe 94 or 96, I think either of those would look cool.

[AsianRice]

With the scheme, coaches, and elite players on our front D-line, Dumervil will benefit greatly and excel to his maximum potential. I predict the horrendous explosion in coming....

[T-ray]

Dumervil has been one of my fave players since his days at Louisville. Excellent addition to the team, boosting our pass rush considerably. He's a clear upgrade over Kruger, and add in that his price is much less than Kruger's, and we've got an Ozzie grand slam move once again. DOOMMM!!!

[Guest Mr. Nobody]

they'll both make each other's game better... thus the team will win

[TonyTone1192]

W/ a healthy suggs I believe that they both will lodge 10+ sacks

[Corvus_corax]

Good question. If I had to choose then I would say that T-Sizzle is still our #1 pass rusher. He didn't look as effective last year but he was never 100% healthy. That injury he had definitely took some of his explosiveness away. Hopefully we will see that return next season.

Both players are amongst the best pass rushers in the league though. That's the exciting thing.

[H8R]

Honestly, Dumervil.. BUT Suggs is a better OLB. I think it will be VERY similar to Harrison and Woddley of 3-4 years ago. Elvis is a better pure passrusher, but It's like 1 and 1A.

[zac_fuller]

A healthy Suggs is a defensive player of the year. A beat up suggs isn't on the same level as this Dumerville. All depends on how suggs recovers this off season.

[BALTIMOREFLACCO]

Dumervil is a better[i] pure pass rushe[/i]r, but Suggs is easily better all around IMO. Suggs' and Ngata's mouths are probably watering knowing he'll be lining up with them next year.

[Medications]

Whichever one doesn't get the double coverage will probably be the one who winds up with more sacks. Teams may choose to double suggs which opens it up for Doom (same way it did for P
Kruger), or they might choose to double Doom opening it up for Suggs. Or they might switch it up. Either way it works out awesome for us

[marylandmike12]

as long as we get sacks it doesn't matter

[i82much]

I worry about Suggs getting a little fat in the offseason. Maybe feeling a little too content after winning a Super Bowl. That 37th slice of congratulatory cheesecake is certainly well-deserved, but might not be the best thing going forward. Hopefully he's having some quinoa instead.

[Bazooka Joe]

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as long as we get sacks it doesn't matter
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This

[PurpleCityLights]

Heathy Suggs......

[Ravenslifer]

I would say Dumerville is a better pure pass rusher than Suggs. Suggs is still the better player though, probably the most complete OLB in the game. I kind of feel like I'm comparing Suggs and Boulware all over again. Who knows though - Dumerville is the best Suggs has played with SINCE his rookie season and maybe 2006. Not to mention with a few tweaks in the secondary, quarterbacks will probably be holding the ball longer, resulting in more sacks.

[Bazooka Joe]

Better question.

Who has the best passrush threat in AFCN?

Ravens. Even after Suggs, Doom, Canty and Ngata, we have young prospects like Hhamilton and McAdoo. Even Art Jones and Upshaw and whomever we get in the draft. We're talentted but also extremely deep

[Bazooka Joe]

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I would say Dumerville is a better pure pass rusher than Suggs. Suggs is still the better player though, probably the most complete OLB in the game. I kind of feel like I'm comparing Suggs and Boulware all over again. Who knows though - Dumerville is the best Suggs has played with SINCE his rookie season and maybe 2006. Not to mention with a few tweaks in the secondary, quarterbacks will probably be holding the ball longer, resulting in more sacks.
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And more INTs for Webb, Jimmy Smith, Jackson and MICHAEL HUFF! Oh and Swearinger

[Ravenslifer]

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And more INTs for Webb, Jimmy Smith, Jackson and MICHAEL HUFF! Oh and [b]Swearinger[/b]
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To tell you the truth, I hope we don't draft Swearinger - I'm hoping we will have already drafted Jonathan Cyprien.

[ravensfan160]

Suggs has always been a very good pass rusher not an elite pass rusher. I think the most sacks he ever has was two years ago with 14. What makes Suggs so good is he is really good at everything.

Dumervil is the better pure pass rusher but he's a bit of a liability against the run.

[Bazooka Joe]

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To tell you the truth, I hope we don't draft Swearinger - I'm hoping we will have already drafted Jonathan Cyprien.
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I haven't seen him play but Swearinger is a Raven. More reminds me of Pollard.

[BMORE_96]

[quote name='T-ray' timestamp='1364226882' post='1414799']
Dumervil has been one of my fave players since his days at Louisville. Excellent addition to the team, boosting our pass rush considerably. He's a clear upgrade over Kruger, and add in that his price is much less than Kruger's, and we've got an Ozzie grand slam move once again. DOOMMM!!!
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I would not say clear upgrade over Kruger because Kruger has a brighter future and led all 3-4 backers in pass rush productivity. That means something. Another misconception people have is that teams doubled Suggs and did not account for Kruger. That is. Completely wrong. Nfl teams realized we had one edge rusher that was Kruger not Suggs. Kruger got doubled far more than Suggs. Sometimes tripled teamed. In fact Suggs was a no show in pass rush. That's why we got dumervil. The only reason we would not pay for Kruger is because he is an incomplete player but far more dangerous than Suggs last year. In my book Suggs has taken a year off and am hoping he is coming back if at all.

[mgridda]

If asked to bet, the clear favourite is Dumervil to have more pressures, more hurries and more sacks. Dumervil sometimes goes way up field and takes himself out of a run play in lieu of getting the sack. Suggs is more about staying home. And Suggs still gets double digit sacks. Honestly, I think both these guys can learn from each other. Dumervil is probably still the better pass rushing technician and can help Suggs (and Upshaw, Hamilton, McAdoo, McPhee) with their pass rushing moves and footwork, hand work. And I think also Suggs can help Dumervil be a better run stopper.

This may pull back on Dumervil's effectiveness as a pass rusher, but he'll still turn it on when he smells pass. I think we have a unique situation where one of our outsidelinebackers is probably the best run stuffing player in his position, and then another one of our outsidelinebackers really needs to improve his run stopping game. So, hopefully Dumervil can learn from Terrell.

But yeah, Dumervil is an absolute machine as a pass rusher. He's such a technician, it's like watching a master pianist the way he moves his feet and hands to get around offensivelinemen. His issue in the 4-3 as a defensive end is he just wasn't big enough. So I'm glad he gets to play the 3-4. Hopefully we put Upshaw as the 4-3 defensive end when we go to that formation.

I think, with Suggs being 30 and Dumervil being 29, at the height of their careers, that both might break their own personal records in sacks.

[bMore Heathen]

I have to say that Suggs will be on the field for more plays then Dumervil, but I think Elvis ends up with more sacks. It will defiantly be interesting to see a healthy Suggs and Doom on opposite sides getting pressure. I have to think they will be meeting at the QB a lot next year.

[easternshore97]

STILL Suggs. What's crazy is both Dumervil and Suggs have the coaches that helped them get to peak performance!

Maybe Pernell can get back on the board after this season.

[H8R]

[quote name='BMORE_96' timestamp='1364272288' post='1415664']
I would not say clear upgrade over Kruger because Kruger has a brighter future and led all 3-4 backers in pass rush productivity. That means something. Another misconception people have is that teams doubled Suggs and did not account for Kruger. That is. Completely wrong. Nfl teams realized we had one edge rusher that was Kruger not Suggs. Kruger got doubled far more than Suggs. Sometimes tripled teamed. In fact Suggs was a no show in pass rush. That's why we got dumervil. The only reason we would not pay for Kruger is because he is an incomplete player but far more dangerous than Suggs last year. In my book Suggs has taken a year off and am hoping he is coming back if at all.
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Kruger? Triple teamed?

[arnie_uk]

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Kruger? Triple teamed?
[/quote]once against Pittsburgh. But he's saying it like it was regular.

The thing with Kruger is once Suggs came back he and upshaw started so when Kruger came in his one job was to pin his ears back and rush. That's why he got such a good jump and could just blow past people, he wasn't in to pay the run.

As a starter, as shown early in The season, when he has to think about defending the run, he can't just jump of the snap like that or he will leave a massive running lane, and with out that quick jump he's quite easy to block becaus Ethan first step was his danger move

[ravens88]

Adding Dummervil will help Suggs and Ngata not mentioning Canty or Spears. I think on paper this is looking like a very dangerous D-line. A healthy Suggs with another Pro Bowl pass Rusher opposite of him now is something to look forward to, we could have two players with 10+ sacks. If we get some Safety help in comming months who knows we could have a top 5 defense in 2013.

[T-ray]

[quote name='BMORE_96' timestamp='1364272288' post='1415664']
I would not say clear upgrade over Kruger because Kruger has a brighter future and led all 3-4 backers in pass rush productivity. That means something. Another misconception people have is that teams doubled Suggs and did not account for Kruger. That is. Completely wrong. Nfl teams realized we had one edge rusher that was Kruger not Suggs. Kruger got doubled far more than Suggs. Sometimes tripled teamed. In fact Suggs was a no show in pass rush. That's why we got dumervil. The only reason we would not pay for Kruger is because he is an incomplete player but far more dangerous than Suggs last year. In my book Suggs has taken a year off and am hoping he is coming back if at all.
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LOL... we'll see how Freddy, er, I mean Paul, Kruger does with the Brown Craphole team he is now on. If they think he'll get even close to the same amount of sacks he had last year, they are painfully wrong. They paid him like they expect him to get 16 sacks this season. Hello, without Suggs, how well did he do?? A quick and easy answer: not good at all. Then you bring up age. 2 years separates the two. Whoop-the-flipping-do! I think some people think of Kruger as being like 25 because he didn't come on to the map until last year, so they automatically assume he is still younger than what he truly is.