Dream Scenario

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='runamuk' timestamp='1363831285' post='1407672']
[i]I say give Brown and Thompson a chance . and not take huff . Dumervil over Harrison . and big mac on a one year deal til we train/draft his replacement. [/i]
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You do realize you would be starting two safeties who have never had true starting experience in the NFL yet, right? That's a major, ballsy risk. Really ballsy.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1363831437' post='1407681']
You do realize you would be starting two safeties who have never had true starting experience in the NFL yet, right? That's a major, ballsy risk. Really ballsy.
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We basically did that Reed's rookie year. He started every game at SS and Will Demps, also a rookie, started 10 games at FS that year.

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1363831680' post='1407690']


We basically did that Reed's rookie year. He started every game at SS and Will Demps, also a rookie, started 10 games at FS that year.
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Yeah, but it's still risky as Hell, lol.

[rmw10]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1363831680' post='1407690']
We basically did that Reed's rookie year. He started every game at SS and Will Demps, also a rookie, started 10 games at FS that year.
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But we're talking about a UDFA and a raw 4th round pick.

[runamuk]

[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1363831437' post='1407681']
You do realize you would be starting two safeties who have never had true starting experience in the NFL yet, right? That's a major, ballsy risk. Really ballsy.
[/quote]well we are gonna have a bunch of wide receivers with no true nfl experience so they should all fit nicely together now you know i'm being sarcastic right. I don't know enough about huff to make any decision but if he is cheap we will take him

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='runamuk' timestamp='1363831776' post='1407696']
well we are gonna have a bunch of wide receivers with no true nfl experience so they should all fit nicely together now you know i'm being sarcastic right. I don't know enough about huff to make any decision but if he is cheap we will take him
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The difference is that our WRs have actually started more games than those guys. Deonte Thompson actually started a game against the Bengals, I believe. Same for Tandon. Reed has had live snaps on offense, though very little. Probably as much as the safeties.

We need to have some veteran safety presence. I won't be worried if we don't. I think Corey Graham could move to FS if we needed him to do it. I believe that is what happens if we can't sign a vet FA and the safeties look weak, honestly. As long as our CBs like Jimmy & Webb look good. I see us drafting a CB somewhere, maybe more--maybe even get some UDFAs. I am not worried here at all.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='rmw10' timestamp='1363831773' post='1407695']
But we're talking about a UDFA and a raw 4th round pick.
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With a year under their belts. And Demps was a UDFA in 2002 as well. I'm not saying it's not risky, and I wouldn't be surprised if we drafted a safety like a Matt Elam, but despite what people think, we had the cap space to match Houston, we offered more last year - the fact is the front office wasn't going to give Reed what he wanted, and I have complete trust that they know what they're doing. They wouldn't have let Reed go without a plan, especially since so many other free agents have already bolted.

[runamuk]

[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1363832677' post='1407740']
The difference is that our WRs have actually started more games than those guys. Deonte Thompson actually started a game against the Bengals, I believe. Same for Tandon. Reed has had live snaps on offense, though very little. Probably as much as the safeties.

We need to have some veteran safety presence. I won't be worried if we don't. I think Corey Graham could move to FS if we needed him to do it. I believe that is what happens if we can't sign a vet FA and the safeties look weak, honestly. As long as our CBs like Jimmy & Webb look good. I see us drafting a CB somewhere, maybe more--maybe even get some UDFAs. I am not worried here at all.
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I am certain they sign huff all will be well . I was being sarcastic about the wr's .Of the ones we have I like Thompson and can't wait to see more.

[Guest Mr. Nobody]

let's mix up dream and reality for a bit (outside the draft)
1. sign Pitta to a 5 yrs contract
2. restructure Sizzle, Ngata and Leach (no cuts!)
3. get Dumervil
4. get Huff
5. get Harrison too
6. send our original 7th to Raiders for Rolando
7. re-sign McKinnie
then draft well and get plenty of UDFAs

[bmorervns27]

[quote name='horus13corvineus' timestamp='1363859617' post='1408384']
let's mix up dream and reality for a bit (outside the draft)
1. sign Pitta to a 5 yrs contract
2. restructure Sizzle, Ngata and Leach (no cuts!)
3. get Dumervil
4. get Huff
5. get Harrison too
6. send our original 7th to Raiders for Rolando
7. re-sign McKinnie
then draft well and get plenty of UDFAs
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***8. Try to sign Danario Alexander for a reasonable contract.

[PolishRifle]

I think signing up [b]Dennis Pitta[/b] and [b]Arthur Jones[/b] long term should get done and is likely to happen.
I think acquiring [b]Huff[/b] is realistic. And the Ravens will/should look into that.
[b]Harrison[/b] is a little old and has a recent injury history, but he is still productive and could infuse the locker room with some veteran leadership. Plus, we can get him for cheap, so I view him as a good and likely addition. I think, that applies to [b]Mckinnie[/b] also.
I have my serious doubts about [b]Dumervil[/b]. He might be too expensive and I just don't see the Ravens restructuring deals with Suggs and Ngata. MAYBE, if the Ravens cut Leach.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

Sign Dumervil and Huff.

Trade up to draft a LT.

Extend Pitta and Jones.

Let Oher play out year and sign him to RT money, not swing tackle money. But in order to take that chip of his off the table you need to land your future LT. Reports are the top 3 in the draft are studs but afterward its a huge drop off. TRADE UP.

You dont buy a $120 million car and not get insurance on it.

Then round out the roster through the draft.

[dirtybird10]

[quote name='PolishRifle' timestamp='1363867964' post='1408451']
I think signing up [b]Dennis Pitta[/b] and [b]Arthur Jones[/b] long term should get done and is likely to happen.
I think acquiring [b]Huff[/b] is realistic. And the Ravens will/should look into that.
[b]Harrison[/b] is a little old and has a recent injury history, but he is still productive and could infuse the locker room with some veteran leadership. Plus, we can get him for cheap, so I view him as a good and likely addition. I think, that applies to [b]Mckinnie[/b] also.
I have my serious doubts about [b]Dumervil[/b]. He might be too expensive and I just don't see the Ravens restructuring deals with Suggs and Ngata. MAYBE, if the Ravens cut Leach.
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I agree, get Pitta and Jones done ASAP. Lets not have another off season where we lose half our team to free agency. I also just can't see Dumervil as a fit here in terms of need. Although emotionally I am like "Hell YEA" we just drafted Upshaw and really don't need another 3 down OLB at this point, especially for the money Dumervil will command. I think we really just need a pass rush specialist like Kruger turned out to be. A guy who can be on the other side of Suggs and pin his ears back. Harrison might fit that role well, he wouldn't get a lot of wear and he should still be able to rush the passer.

[Blackbirds Rule]

[quote name='dirtybird10' timestamp='1363873855' post='1408587']
I agree, get Pitta and Jones done ASAP. Lets not have another off season where we lose half our team to free agency. I also just can't see Dumervil as a fit here in terms of need. Although emotionally I am like "Hell YEA" we just drafted Upshaw and really don't need another 3 down OLB at this point, especially for the money Dumervil will command. I think we really just need a pass rush specialist like Kruger turned out to be. A guy who can be on the other side of Suggs and pin his ears back. Harrison might fit that role well, he wouldn't get a lot of wear and he should still be able to rush the passer.
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We can do that and instead of getting Dumervil because he will command alot of money we can grab Karlos Dansby at the ILB spot to go alongside McClain if he comes back from the injury. If Mcclain can't come back we can draft a ILB to learn next to Dansby or just play McClellan there. I still think we should get Harrison as our pass rushing specialist who will be cheap and motivated. I like Huff, Dansby, Harrison, and Bmac as our 4 FA signings. Keep all of our draft picks and build young depth that can take over when we need them.

Reading that Denver offered Dumervil 3 years and 30 million and he turned it down. I'd like to have him just for the awe of him and Suggs pass rushing together but we can get somebody for way less than that as in Harrison to pass rush opposite Suggs and be just as effective. even though Harrison is old Upshaw could learn alot from the guy.

[dirtybird10]

[quote name='Blackbirds Rule' timestamp='1363877725' post='1408696']
We can do that and instead of getting Dumervil because he will command alot of money we can grab Karlos Dansby at the ILB spot to go alongside McClain if he comes back from the injury. If Mcclain can't come back we can draft a ILB to learn next to Dansby or just play McClellan there. I still think we should get Harrison as our pass rushing specialist who will be cheap and motivated. I like Huff, Dansby, Harrison, and Bmac as our 4 FA signings. Keep all of our draft picks and build young depth that can take over when we need them.

Reading that Denver offered Dumervil 3 years and 30 million and he turned it down. I'd like to have him just for the awe of him and Suggs pass rushing together but we can get somebody for way less than that as in Harrison to pass rush opposite Suggs and be just as effective. even though Harrison is old Upshaw could learn alot from the guy.
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Right, the thought of Dumervil and Suggs is really awesome, but once I realize we are not in Madden, I feel like it would kind of be a waste of money and Upshaw's talent.

[Blackbirds Rule]

[quote name='dirtybird10' timestamp='1363883120' post='1408838']
Right, the thought of Dumervil and Suggs is really awesome, but once I realize we are not in Madden, I feel like it would kind of be a waste of money and Upshaw's talent.
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lol That's what Madden's for to put together this type of team and see what it lloks like.

[dirtybird10]

[quote name='Blackbirds Rule' timestamp='1363890291' post='1409018']
lol That's what Madden's for to put together this type of team and see what it lloks like.
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Yup!

[jaege]

I hear a lot of talk about Harrison, but if he is so good why did the Steelers release him? The Steelers fans I know all seem to be happy he is gone. Do we really want a Steelers cast off?

[Blackbirds Rule]

Part 1 is complete. http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/3941/elvis-dumervil

[da#1ravensfan]

[quote name='Blackbirds Rule' timestamp='1363825293' post='1407339']
Since it appears we lost Reed. Can you imagine these potential signings. Dumervil, Harrison, and Huff.[b] I think Dumervil will be the first signing[/b] and soon followed by Huff. I think Huff is fairly young and would be a nice FS. I think the team would wait until after the draft to sign Harrison and McKinnie. Harrison and McKinnie would be cheap.

The defensive side of the ball could be Canty, Ngata, Dumervil, Spears, McPhee, Jones, Suggs and whatever NT we draft to help out. That is an unbelievable unit. Harrison coming in in pass rushing situations out there with Suggs and Dumervil.

The jury is out on Huff he might be damaged goods playing so long in Oakland. If we get Dumervil and Harrison we can get our FS in the draft or via draft pick trade to a team like the Giants for Stevie Brown or somebody like that. Worst case scenario you could get Charles Woodson for a Safety to help with his experience.
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Check!!!

[TonyTone1192]

[quote name='BMORElegacy' timestamp='1363825671' post='1407361']
First off, it's Dumervil, not Dumverville. Second, I see us cutting Leach and then using that money to sign Huff, Dumervil, and McKinnie. Huff and Dumervil would be upgrades over Reed and Kruger and we could sign a proven LT.

I just feel like Leach being cut is inevitable. If Pollard was cut for a million, Leach is almost guaranteed to be cut. The positive is that they can then use that money to sign impact players at several key positions on both sides of the ball.
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Pollard was cut b/c he was nuisance in the locker room. It had NOTHING to do w/ money although Harbaugh will say different to keep the "dirt in the house"

W/ that being said, why on God's green earth would we cut the best blocking FB in the game today who defines what "play like a raven" means?

[1/28/01]

[quote name='TonyTone1192' timestamp='1364168191' post='1413830']
W/ that being said, why on God's green earth would we cut the best blocking FB in the game today who defines what "play like a raven" means?
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Cause he has a cap hit of something like $4M+ this year and plays 35% of the snaps. Im all for a restructuring to keep Leach, but somethings gotta give there.

[TonyTone1192]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1364170720' post='1413942']
Cause he has a cap hit of something like $4M+ this year and plays 35% of the snaps. Im all for a restructuring to keep Leach, but somethings gotta give there.
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I can understand if we restructure his contract. But to release him would be too big of a blow for our run game

[BMORElegacy]

[quote name='TonyTone1192' timestamp='1364168191' post='1413830']
Pollard was cut b/c he was nuisance in the locker room. It had NOTHING to do w/ money although Harbaugh will say different to keep the "dirt in the house"

W/ that being said, why on God's green earth would we cut the best blocking FB in the game today who defines what "play like a raven" means?
[/quote]I'm taking the FO for their word on the Pollard cut. They said he was a cap casualty so that's what I will view it as being.

Leach is being grossly overpaid to play a position that is dying out in today's passing league. If he's willing to take a significant pay-cut to stay, then great. But he won't be getting paid 4M when September rolls around. The reality is that he's an older fullback who has very very few options in the open market. It would be wise for him to stay on the team because I don't see another team paying him even close to 4M per year. I'd rather spend the money Leach is getting on a receiver That's just the reality of the way the game is played today.

[redrum52]

Dream scenario would be Chrstian Thompson doesn't miss a step filling in for Pollard or Reed. Extend Pitta and Jones for reasonable cap friendly deals. Pick up Dansby for 2 years about 2.5 mil and move up in the draft to finally solidify the line with a LT. NT or the Honey Badger in the 2nd and a te or wr in the 3rd. Wouldn't mind the rest of the picks going to defense or o line.

[TonyTone1192]

[quote name='BMORElegacy' timestamp='1364313280' post='1415914']
I'm taking the FO for their word on the Pollard cut. They said he was a cap casualty so that's what I will view it as being.

Leach is being grossly overpaid to play a position that is dying out in today's passing league. If he's willing to take a significant pay-cut to stay, then great. But he won't be getting paid 4M when September rolls around. The reality is that he's an older fullback who has very very few options in the open market. It would be wise for him to stay on the team because I don't see another team paying him even close to 4M per year. I'd rather spend the money Leach is getting on a receiver That's just the reality of the way the game is played today.
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Lol I agree on Leech, a little bit of emotions came out. I can't fathom seeing Leech gone. I hope that we'll restructure his contract.

[easternshore97]

[quote name='BMORElegacy' timestamp='1364313280' post='1415914']
I'm taking the FO for their word on the Pollard cut. They said he was a cap casualty so that's what I will view it as being.

Leach is being grossly overpaid to play a position that is dying out in today's passing league. If he's willing to take a significant pay-cut to stay, then great. But he won't be getting paid 4M when September rolls around. The reality is that he's an older fullback who has very very few options in the open market. It would be wise for him to stay on the team because I don't see another team paying him even close to 4M per year. I'd rather spend the money Leach is getting on a receiver That's just the reality of the way the game is played today.
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Did Leach not get a roster bonus?

[Blackbirds Rule]

[quote name='Blackbirds Rule' timestamp='1363825293' post='1407339']
Since it appears we lost Reed. Can you imagine these potential signings. Dumervil, Harrison, and Huff. [color=#FF0000]I think Dumervil will be the first signing and soon followed by Huff.[/color] I think Huff is fairly young and would be a nice FS. I think the team would wait until after the draft to sign McKinnie. McKinnie would be cheap.
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Check and check my dream scenario is coming to fruition. I'm feeling lucky I need to play the lotto and check my mock draft.

[Guest Mr. Nobody]

[quote name='horus13corvineus' timestamp='1363859617' post='1408384']
let's mix up dream and reality for a bit (outside the draft)
1. sign Pitta to a 5 yrs contract
2. restructure Sizzle, Ngata and Leach (no cuts!)
3. get Dumervil
4. get Huff
5. get Harrison too
6. send our original 7th to Raiders for Rolando
7. re-sign McKinnie
then draft well and get plenty of UDFAs
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ticks for 3 and 4, yoohoo

[Blackbirds Rule]

[quote name='horus13corvineus' timestamp='1364414491' post='1417578']


ticks for 3 and 4, yoohoo
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1,2, and 7 can happen too. We don't want McClains current contract. If we can get him or Dansby on a cheap contract that'll work as well.