St. Louis Rams LT Rodger Saffold to be available for us?

[cobrajet]

There is not a decent LT even in the first round this draft. We better be looking at other options. I am always worried about McKinnie's work ethic, but he does play well on game day and he is not a mutineer, so I would consider bringing him back. KO turned out to be a pleasant surprise for me at LG, but if we think lighting will strike twice (especially for a starting LT) we are dreaming. I actually liked the idea of Saffold, he was the starting LT since his freshman year at Indiana and won the job with the Rams, who stole him with the 33rd pick. The guy has played well and is a better option than what we have (without McKinnie) or could pick up in the draft.

@ Blackbirds Rule......I like your thought process on this.

[Sizzlebshu]

[quote name='cobrajet' timestamp='1363629673' post='1403276']
There is not a decent LT even in the first round this draft. We better be looking at other options. I am always worried about McKinnie's work ethic, but he does play well on game day and he is not a mutineer, so I would consider bringing him back. KO turned out to be a pleasant surprise for me at LG, but if we think lighting will strike twice (especially for a starting LT) we are dreaming. I actually liked the idea of Saffold, he was the starting LT since his freshman year at Indiana and won the job with the Rams, who stole him with the 33rd pick. The guy has played well and is a better option than what we have (without McKinnie) or could pick up in the draft.

@ Blackbirds Rule......I like your thought process on this.
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The problem with Saffold is that its a one year deal and he's going to end up wanting to be paid like a decent LT when he isn't one because he is never healthy.

[jaege]

[quote name='Blackbirds Rule' timestamp='1363628846' post='1403256']
It depends on Elvis. If he wants to be paid and not be on a contender he'll go for the money. If he wants a ring or chance at it he'll sign with a contender for around 4- 5 million on a one year deal and then go into FA looking for a big deal with a signing bonus.
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The Broncos were contenders. He could just go back there and get the 4-6 million and be on a contending team. Why come here? Just because we would like him too?

[Blackbirds Rule]

[quote name='jaege' timestamp='1363631595' post='1403325']
The Broncos were contenders. He could just go back there and get the 4-6 million and be on a contending team. Why come here? Just because we would like him too?
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It could be because we are a contender as well and he might be mad at the way Denver just cut him when he was finally accepting a pay cut. If you were released by an organization as quick as they did Elvis. Would you be in a hurry to sign back with them or would you try to go to a team that just as good of a chance to contend for the same amount of money?

[Blackbirds Rule]

[quote name='Sizzlebshu' timestamp='1363630002' post='1403284']
The problem with Saffold is that its a one year deal and he's going to end up wanting to be paid like a decent LT when he isn't one because he is never healthy.
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We don't have to sign him after the one year. We would be renting him for a 6th or preferably 7th round pick. We could draft a LT prospect that could use the year learning how to play LT in the NFL and once the year was over put him in the starting LT spot.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

[quote name='jaege' timestamp='1363631595' post='1403325']
The Broncos were contenders. He could just go back there and get the 4-6 million and be on a contending team. Why come here? Just because we would like him too?
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Because theyre upset with how the fax thing went down, and now that they have the $4.9 mill dead cap space, went on a bit of a spending spree and may not have enough cap space to do a $4-6mill deal. at $6mill theyre right back at the $12million they refused to pay in the first place.

Point is, the fax thing may have taken Denver out of the equation whatever the reason may be.

and to your point, yes Kruger got overpaid... but by a lousy team. And like was said before, he can probably get that kind of money from another lousy team with tons of cap room - but he already showed that by agreeing to take a paycut he wants to play for a contender over taking big money and no contender is going to pay him a huge salary for a yr or 2. Kruger is 1 example of a pass rusher getting paid big; everyone else like Avril and Bennett took small deals for 1 yr to earn bigger money next year. The other guys looking for 1 more big pay check like Harrions, Freeney, Abraham all havent landed on a team yet for a reason. No ones paying these pass rushers the money theyre looking for.

And honestly I think this is becoming an NFL trend. Owners are realizing how ridiculous it is to pay a guy like Mario Williams $100mill when that position doenst have that big of an impact on winning. Judging by the FA talent at CB and pass rushers this year and how little theyre all earning it looks like most owners/teams are putting a cap on what these positions earn... aside from the desperate teams like Miami and Cleveland

[jaege]

[quote name='Blackbirds Rule' timestamp='1363632266' post='1403344']
It could be because we are a contender as well and he might be mad at the way Denver just cut him when he was finally accepting a pay cut. If you were released by an organization as quick as they did Elvis. Would you be in a hurry to sign back with them or would you try to go to a team that just as good of a chance to contend for the same amount of money?
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For 4 million dollars I would crawl back in a tutu, but thats just me.


Its not worth the discussion. Maybe you are right, then again maybe the moon is made of green cheese and this is all a bunch of wishful thinking. Lets see who he signs with.

[flynismo]

[quote name='jaege' timestamp='1363628042' post='1403238']
Oz tends to pick up guys that most fans did not even consdier to be on the radar, like Speer, and Canty. [b]He rarely picks up big name guys like Dumervil or Harrison.[/b]
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Why do people insist on perpetuating this myth? How do you think we got Boldin, Mason, McNair, Pryce, Birk, or Leach? We traded/signed them off FA. Heck, if we want to go back further, there were guys like Woodson, Adams, Sharper...

It's very clear that we will make a move for the right guy.

[The Oakland Cathedral]

[quote name='BOLDnPurPnBlacK' timestamp='1363617485' post='1402953']


Idk about the Vollmer idea. Yea we get a solid RT who could possibly play well on the left side... BUT chances are we end up with 2 really-good-to-great RT's and 2 really-average-to-bad LT's. And if our plan was to have him try LT we wouldnt sign him to a long deal bc I doubt we'd invest heavily in 2 RT's who both have question marks at LT. We'd just be in the same situation we're in now next year but with more cap space tied up in 2 similar players.

I see us either waiting out the market and bringing McKinnie back when he realizes he cant get better elsewhere OR if that doesnt I think it will be because the FO has their sights on a LT in the draft they really like. And since we just invested in Flacco I think this will be the year we move up instead of back in the 1st rd to get our guy.

And IF they do that, I do think they'll try to grab Teo in the 2nd. For some reason I just dont see another team taking a chance on the guy bc of all the baggage, and with us having Ayenbadejo in the locker room who is respected, I think our team is one of the only ones that wouldnt give the guy an incredibly hard time and would give him a chance to fit in as long as he can play. As much as im unsure if he will be a great player in the NFL i do think he'd be a great value pick in the 2nd.
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[The Oakland Cathedral]

[quote name='izvoodoo' timestamp='1363615542' post='1402926']

He is, and should be. But he may try to play LT and then test the market again. Sign a one year deal and try again.
[/quote][quote name='BOLDnPurPnBlacK' timestamp='1363617485' post='1402953']


Idk about the Vollmer idea. Yea we get a solid RT who could possibly play well on the left side... BUT chances are we end up with 2 really-good-to-great RT's and 2 really-average-to-bad LT's. And if our plan was to have him try LT we wouldnt sign him to a long deal bc I doubt we'd invest heavily in 2 RT's who both have question marks at LT. We'd just be in the same situation we're in now next year but with more cap space tied up in 2 similar players.

I see us either waiting out the market and bringing McKinnie back when he realizes he cant get better elsewhere OR if that doesnt I think it will be because the FO has their sights on a LT in the draft they really like. And since we just invested in Flacco I think this will be the year we move up instead of back in the 1st rd to get our guy.

And IF they do that, I do think they'll try to grab Teo in the 2nd. For some reason I just dont see another team taking a chance on the guy bc of all the baggage, and with us having Ayenbadejo in the locker room who is respected, I think our team is one of the only ones that wouldnt give the guy an incredibly hard time and would give him a chance to fit in as long as he can play. As much as im unsure if he will be a great player in the NFL i do think he'd be a great value pick in the 2nd.
[/quote]Vollmer has played on the left a fair amount and was actually very good. He would be a steal if we got him in FA.

[cobrajet]

[quote name='Sizzlebshu' timestamp='1363630002' post='1403284']
The problem with Saffold is that its a one year deal and he's going to end up wanting to be paid like a decent LT when he isn't one because he is never healthy.
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I thought he finished the 2010 season injury free, he had the neck injury the second game of last season but return to practice fairly quick and I thought he only missed one game. The Rams are reporting they want to keep Safford because he is "a strong starter" so I am not sure where all the injury scare is coming from. From everything I read the guy is good to go for this season.
This guy is a good LT and we have some money to play with to sign him longer term. I like Dumerville, but I would be stoked to get this guy instead. Actually I am not sure why the Rams signed Jake Long when they had Safford, although they want to move him to the right side which will make their line pretty stout, but that is just too much for a right tackle.

[jaege]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1363638969' post='1403564']
Why do people insist on perpetuating this myth? How do you think we got Boldin, Mason, McNair, Pryce, Birk, or Leach? We traded/signed them off FA. Heck, if we want to go back further, there were guys like Woodson, Adams, Sharper...

It's very clear that we will make a move for the right guy.
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Yeah but only for a good deal. Besides, that was before when we didn't have to pay, Rice, and Ngata, and Yanda, and Suggs, and Flacco. I am still not sure that Dumervil will take a figure that he is worth. (Or one that Oz thinks he is worth) There are a lot of teams courting him right now, which only means his price will go up.

[flynismo]

[quote name='jaege' timestamp='1363644673' post='1403679']
Yeah but only for a good deal. Besides, that was before when we didn't have to pay, Rice, and Ngata, and Yanda, and Suggs, and Flacco.
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Of course only if it were a good deal, but too many people just off-handedly dismiss the idea of us recruiting brand name players based on a false premise. If we like Dumervil, we will make him the best offer that we can afford to, then it's up to him to decide what he wants to do with it

[jaege]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1363644945' post='1403685']
Of course only if it were a good deal, but too many people just off-handedly dismiss the idea of us recruiting brand name players based on a false premise. If we like Dumervil, we will make him the best offer that we can afford to, then it's up to him to decide what he wants to do with it
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Okay. I should have clarified. By high rent player, I mean one that is highly (over) paid, not necessarily one who is very good. We even let our own guys go is they get offered more than is sensible. I think that Dumervil is one of those that will be highly (over) paid, and Oz will be unwilling to match his price. It could happen, but a lot of teams are looking at him, even if he has soured to the Broncos.


Besides you have to admit, every time a good player gets released, someone starts a thread about how we need to get him. It is comical.

[flynismo]

[quote name='jaege' timestamp='1363645404' post='1403700']
Besides you have to admit, every time a good player gets released, someone starts a thread about how we need to get him. It is comical.
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Comical is being nice, I have more colorful ways to describe that phenomena

[dhstandard]

It's not completely out of the question. Are people forgetting that we don't have a LT at all? Like, none.

[Bazooka Joe]

I read on the scout board that we are considering KO at LT and then draft DJ Fluker to play guard. It's from another message board so.....

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='Bazooka Joe' timestamp='1363649884' post='1403809']
I read on the scout board that we are considering KO at LT and then draft DJ Fluker to play guard. It's from another message board so.....
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I thought about that, except having KO at RT and Oher at LT but I wouldn't be surprised if this was the plan.

[BloodRaven]

[quote name='Bazooka Joe' timestamp='1363649884' post='1403809']
I read on the scout board that we are considering KO at LT and then draft DJ Fluker to play guard. It's from another message board so.....
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If we can't sign or draft a LT then I'd rather put KO at LT, he has long arms and a big punch unlike Oher who likes to catch pass rushers. Fluker would be an absolute TANK at guard, but I think he goes early in the 2nd.

[cobrajet]

[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1363649933' post='1403811']
I thought about that, except having KO at RT and Oher at LT but I wouldn't be surprised if this was the plan.
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God help us and Joe if that is the plan. Juan Castillo better work around the clock.

[jaege]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1363646651' post='1403725']
Comical is being nice, I have more colorful ways to describe that phenomena
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I try to remain as kind as possible since the Mods here are a bit retentive regarding various words from the dictionary. They are unfamiliar with that little rhyme about sticks and stones..

[The Oakland Cathedral]

[quote name='jaege' timestamp='1363659480' post='1404178']



I try to remain as kind as possible since the Mods here are a bit retentive regarding various words from the dictionary. They are unfamiliar with that little rhyme about sticks and stones..
[/quote]You mean "Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will hurt forever"?

[jaege]

[quote name='Miami Hurricane' timestamp='1363663414' post='1404337']
You mean "Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will hurt forever"?
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Thats not how I remember the rhyme. Words only have the power and mystic that we give them. If we sensationalize certain words, then they become sensational. If we try and hide them then they become mystical curiosities (that prying little minds want to explore) and attempting to hide from them does not make them go away. These "words" are, after all, just simple slang terms that are used to discuss very natural functions. No different from any other slang jargon that is floating around and easily found in any online dictionary.


I give words very little power and so have no fear of them.

[Bazooka Joe]

[quote name='jaege' timestamp='1363688416' post='1404635']



Thats not how I remember the rhyme. Words only have the power and mystic that we give them. If we sensationalize certain words, then they become sensational. If we try and hide them then they become mystical curiosities (that prying little minds want to explore) and attempting to hide from them does not make them go away. These "words" are, after all, just simple slang terms that are used to discuss very natural functions. No different from any other slang jargon that is floating around and easily found in any online dictionary.


I give words very little power and so have no fear of them.
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The only words that matter are what you speak over yourself. Other words have no power unless you agree with them.

[jaege]

[quote name='Bazooka Joe' timestamp='1363690934' post='1404650']
The only words that matter are what you speak over yourself. Other words have no power unless you agree with them.
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"Speak over yourself"? I am not sure what you mean.

[Brandon22]

[quote name='Blackbirds Rule' timestamp='1363614356' post='1402912']
Now that the Rams have signed Jake Long. They have a LT in Rodger Saffold who was drafted in 2010. According to reports he'll ask for a trade. I think he would be perfect to get. He's a young veteran LT who is under contract for at least another year and he would only cost a 4th or 3rd round pick. I hope their asking price isn't much higher than that or we may not do it. I believe Miami would be interested as well seeing as though they just lost Long. I think this is the perfect Ozzie move to swoop in and get Saffold. That would solidify our left and right sides of the line. The only wquestion mark would be at C and we can always sign a veteran C to provide security in case Gradkowski didn't pan out.
[/quote]He is injured to much so i doubt it

[The Oakland Cathedral]

[quote name='jaege' timestamp='1363688416' post='1404635']



Thats not how I remember the rhyme. Words only have the power and mystic that we give them. If we sensationalize certain words, then they become sensational. If we try and hide them then they become mystical curiosities (that prying little minds want to explore) and attempting to hide from them does not make them go away. These "words" are, after all, just simple slang terms that are used to discuss very natural functions. No different from any other slang jargon that is floating around and easily found in any online dictionary.


I give words very little power and so have no fear of them.
[/quote]It was a joke that referenced the tv show scrubs.

[jaege]

[quote name='Miami Hurricane' timestamp='1363719958' post='1405161']
It was a joke that referenced the tv show scrubs.
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Never watched it so didn't get the reference.

[The Oakland Cathedral]

[quote name='jaege' timestamp='1363729209' post='1405370']
Never watched it so didn't get the reference.
[/quote]I'll make it more obvious next time... my apologies

[Corvus]

Not only has Saffold struggled with his injuries worse than Jared Gaither has, but he has merely been "adequate" when he has played the last two seasons. He was better in '12, but in '11 he allowed 11 sacks, 4 QB hits, and 17 QB hurries in NINE games played in '11. He's a part of the reason why Bradford has been unable to utilize the entire football field in their passing attack since both were drafted (although Bradford's less than great arm strength didn't help either). I would rather put Michael Oher back at LT than waste a draft pick on Saffold if that says anything. We can probably find a solid LT prospect in the draft even with one of our later picks.