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St. Louis Rams LT Rodger Saffold to be available for us?

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Now that the Rams have signed Jake Long. They have a LT in Rodger Saffold who was drafted in 2010. According to reports he'll ask for a trade. I think he would be perfect to get. He's a young veteran LT who is under contract for at least another year and he would only cost a 4th or 3rd round pick. I hope their asking price isn't much higher than that or we may not do it. I believe Miami would be interested as well seeing as though they just lost Long. I think this is the perfect Ozzie move to swoop in and get Saffold. That would solidify our left and right sides of the line. The only wquestion mark would be at C and we can always sign a veteran C to provide security in case Gradkowski didn't pan out.
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He is also an injury prone mess and I doubt he will be traded. Rams need insurance for Long and all the o line help they can get.
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If we will trade for a LT, trade for Albert not Saffold. Depending on the compensation, of course. Saffold for a 7th is a no-brainer, but I doubt that happens.
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Sebastian Vollmer might jump at the chance to play one year at LT then test the market again next year.
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[quote name='Sizzlebshu' timestamp='1363614563' post='1402913']
He is also an injury prone mess and I doubt he will be traded. Rams need insurance for Long and all the o line help they can get.
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He signed a 4 year deal in 2010. A 4 year deal worth 6.3 million. That means he's in his last year this year. The Rams will need to trade him or they'll lose value. If he doesn't play for them or they move him to RT his value decreases and the type of contract he can get as well. I think the Rams will trade him for a 3rd to 4th round pick to get something for him. they can get a younger RT with one of those picks that will be younger and cheaper. If we traded for him we would only get one year out of him. I don't know if we want to sign him long term while we have Oher coming up for FA next year too.
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[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1363615230' post='1402920']
Sebastian Vollmer might jump at the chance to play one year at LT then test the market again next year.
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I though Vollmer was a RT.
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[quote name='Blackbirds Rule' timestamp='1363615353' post='1402922']
I though Vollmer was a RT.
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He is, and should be. But he may try to play LT and then test the market again. Sign a one year deal and try again.
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[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1363615042' post='1402919']
If we will trade for a LT, trade for Albert not Saffold. Depending on the compensation, of course. Saffold for a 7th is a no-brainer, but I doubt that happens.
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KC is not trading Albert but he would def be the better player. Being that Saffold is in the last year of his deal a 5th rounder will actually do it. No one is giving a 2nd or 3rd for a LT on his last year that has some durability concerns.
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We wont trade for another question mark at LT. The only way we trade or sign a LT is if we're sure they can step in day 1. Otherwise we'll draft and build, or as much as I hate to say it the coaching staff will slide Oher back over to LT bc for some reason they seem confident in doing so even though its glaringly obvious he cannot play LT at a high level and is a MUCH better player on the right.
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[quote name='BOLDnPurPnBlacK' timestamp='1363615846' post='1402929']
We wont trade for another question mark at LT. The only way we trade or sign a LT is if we're sure they can step in day 1. Otherwise we'll draft and build, or as much as I hate to say it the coaching staff will slide Oher back over to LT bc for some reason they seem confident in doing so even though its glaringly obvious he cannot play LT at a high level and is a MUCH better player on the right.
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This is what I expect us to do to the dismay of the members here & most Ravens fans. I don't see us trading for Albert (there are rumors that KC is willing to listen to trade offers, btw; they can also draft a LT with their 1st pick) or trading for Saffold. I see us sticking Oher back at LT & having Jah Reid play RT or draft a guy to play RT and then groom him for LT.

Edit: btw, the Vollmer idea isn't a bad idea if it's a cheap deal. Don't want to give NE any more comps, lol. Also, not sure if Vollmer will work but if he's cheap you have nothing to lose there except a late comp pick.
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[quote name='BOLDnPurPnBlacK' timestamp='1363615846' post='1402929']
We wont trade for another question mark at LT. The only way we trade or sign a LT is if we're sure they can step in day 1. Otherwise we'll draft and build, or as much as I hate to say it the coaching staff will slide Oher back over to LT bc for some reason they seem confident in doing so even though its glaringly obvious he cannot play LT at a high level and is a MUCH better player on the right.
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Oher is IMO an elite RT. I think he's average at LT. I think since we have him and Yanda on the right and KO at LG. Saffold is a cheap fix because he's better than Oher at LT and you'd be getting the best out of him because he's in a contract year. You can get Saffold and start him at LT and draft a LT to work under him to replace him the following year if you couldn't sign him and Oher in FA.
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[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1363616436' post='1402933']
This is what I expect us to do to the dismay of the members here & most Ravens fans. I don't see us trading for Albert (there are rumors that KC is willing to listen to trade offers, btw; they can also draft a LT with their 1st pick) or trading for Saffold. I see us sticking Oher back at LT & having Jah Reid play RT or draft a guy to play RT and then groom him for LT.

Edit: btw, the Vollmer idea isn't a bad idea if it's a cheap deal. Don't want to give NE any more comps, lol. Also, not sure if Vollmer will work but if he's cheap you have nothing to lose there except a late comp pick.
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Idk about the Vollmer idea. Yea we get a solid RT who could possibly play well on the left side... BUT chances are we end up with 2 really-good-to-great RT's and 2 really-average-to-bad LT's. And if our plan was to have him try LT we wouldnt sign him to a long deal bc I doubt we'd invest heavily in 2 RT's who both have question marks at LT. We'd just be in the same situation we're in now next year but with more cap space tied up in 2 similar players.

I see us either waiting out the market and bringing McKinnie back when he realizes he cant get better elsewhere OR if that doesnt I think it will be because the FO has their sights on a LT in the draft they really like. And since we just invested in Flacco I think this will be the year we move up instead of back in the 1st rd to get our guy.

And IF they do that, I do think they'll try to grab Teo in the 2nd. For some reason I just dont see another team taking a chance on the guy bc of all the baggage, and with us having Ayenbadejo in the locker room who is respected, I think our team is one of the only ones that wouldnt give the guy an incredibly hard time and would give him a chance to fit in as long as he can play. As much as im unsure if he will be a great player in the NFL i do think he'd be a great value pick in the 2nd.
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[quote name='Blackbirds Rule' timestamp='1363617356' post='1402950']
Oher is IMO an elite RT. I think he's average at LT. I think since we have him and Yanda on the right and KO at LG. Saffold is a cheap fix because he's better than Oher at LT and you'd be getting the best out of him because he's in a contract year. You can get Saffold and start him at LT and draft a LT to work under him to replace him the following year if you couldn't sign him and Oher in FA.
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I agree with your premise, I just dont think Saffold is the guy. I dont think they'll trade a pick since they covet them so much, especially for a guy they'll only have for 1 year most likely and that has durability questions and isnt a proven player.

I do think theyll draft a guy and try to bring in a veteran for 1 yr but it will be a FA like bringing mckinnie back.

My guess is whatever happens in the coming weeks will tell us their plans.... if they dont sign a guy I think that means theyre targeting a LT early in the draft who they feel can step in day 1 and be a long term solution to grow with Joe.
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[quote name='BOLDnPurPnBlacK' timestamp='1363617485' post='1402953']


Idk about the Vollmer idea. Yea we get a solid RT who could possibly play well on the left side... BUT chances are we end up with 2 really-good-to-great RT's and 2 really-average-to-bad LT's. And if our plan was to have him try LT we wouldnt sign him to a long deal bc I doubt we'd invest heavily in 2 RT's who both have question marks at LT. We'd just be in the same situation we're in now next year but with more cap space tied up in 2 similar players.

I see us either waiting out the market and bringing McKinnie back when he realizes he cant get better elsewhere OR if that doesnt I think it will be because the FO has their sights on a LT in the draft they really like. And since we just invested in Flacco I think this will be the year we move up instead of back in the 1st rd to get our guy.

And IF they do that, I do think they'll try to grab Teo in the 2nd. For some reason I just dont see another team taking a chance on the guy bc of all the baggage, and with us having Ayenbadejo in the locker room who is respected, I think our team is one of the only ones that wouldnt give the guy an incredibly hard time and would give him a chance to fit in as long as he can play. As much as im unsure if he will be a great player in the NFL i do think he'd be a great value pick in the 2nd.
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I would rather we do this:

Draft Terron Armstead or Menelik Watson with our 1st round pick, or get Barrett Jones in the 3rd or 4th (early 4th if we trade back from the 2nd). We invested a lot into Joe. I say give him time to throw. If you have a solid OL, it keeps the offense on the field. Joe can complete passes. You don't put your defense out there. As a result, less pressure is on them. They can force 3-&-outs.

I have read reports that Jones prefers to remain at center. If that's the case, fine. Still, I think he has big upside and can play LT. He is recovering from a Lisfranc, so I don't expect him to get 1st or 2nd round, but I can see him going 3rd round at the earliest, possibly 4th at the latest.
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[quote name='BOLDnPurPnBlacK' timestamp='1363617485' post='1402953']
Idk about the Vollmer idea. Yea we get a solid RT who could possibly play well on the left side... BUT chances are we end up with 2 really-good-to-great RT's and 2 really-average-to-bad LT's. And if our plan was to have him try LT we wouldnt sign him to a long deal bc I doubt we'd invest heavily in 2 RT's who both have question marks at LT. We'd just be in the same situation we're in now next year but with more cap space tied up in 2 similar players.

I see us either waiting out the market and bringing McKinnie back when he realizes he cant get better elsewhere OR if that doesnt I think it will be because the FO has their sights on a LT in the draft they really like. And since we just invested in Flacco I think this will be the year we move up instead of back in the 1st rd to get our guy.

And IF they do that, I do think they'll try to grab Teo in the 2nd. For some reason I just dont see another team taking a chance on the guy bc of all the baggage, and with us having Ayenbadejo in the locker room who is respected, I think our team is one of the only ones that wouldnt give the guy an incredibly hard time and would give him a chance to fit in as long as he can play. As much as im unsure if he will be a great player in the NFL i do think he'd be a great value pick in the 2nd.
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You just signed Flacco, do you draft a LT to start from day one from the 32nd spot? I don't know how the draft will pan out but to get one of the really good LT's we would need to be top 15-18. I don't think we would pay what it would cost to jump that high in the draft. Saffold if it only costs a 6th I see Ozzie jumping on it. Even if it's a one year rental he's a very solid LT. I think we could draft a LT to be groomed under Saffold to start the following year.
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He's never lived up to his expectations as a 1st round guy. Injury prone and isn't anything special when he is healthy. The Rams are probably looking to get a 5th or 6th for him if theyre even shopping him. He's essentually an average back up at this point.
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[quote name='BOLDnPurPnBlacK' timestamp='1363617824' post='1402958']
I agree with your premise, I just dont think Saffold is the guy. I dont think they'll trade a pick since they covet them so much, especially for a guy they'll only have for 1 year most likely and that has durability questions and isnt a proven player.

I do think theyll draft a guy and try to bring in a veteran for 1 yr but it will be a FA like bringing mckinnie back.

My guess is whatever happens in the coming weeks will tell us their plans.... if they dont sign a guy I think that means theyre targeting a LT early in the draft who they feel can step in day 1 and be a long term solution to grow with Joe.
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I have not watched a lot of Saffold and if the Rams were pursuing Long that hard at LT there may be something about Saffold that we don't know about. I just like contract year players but I'll trust in Ozzie with whatever he does. I know he's not going to go into the season without a LT. Worse case scenario Oher does it for a year, that's not optimal but he won't get Joe Killed.
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If we are going to fantasize about players that "we might get" lets go whole hog here. I want Clay Mathews, and JJ Watts and Polomalu at age 24, while we are at it. That is as likely as Dumervil , or Long or any of these other relatively high dollar pick-ups that fans keep suggesting we could get.

Come on, remember which team we are thinking about here. Oz [i]rarely[/i] spends that kind of money for FAs. Besides we do not even have that kind of money to spend.
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We have established our need for an OT, WR, and FS (pending Ed's decision). I wouldn't mind seeing us pick up someone in FA, too. I'm sure that Ozzie isn't done. If he doesn't get Elvis, then he surely won't come home from the meetings empty handed.
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[quote name='Blackbirds Rule' timestamp='1363618324' post='1402966']
I have not watched a lot of Saffold and if the Rams were pursuing Long that hard at LT there may be something about Saffold that we don't know about. I just like contract year players but I'll trust in Ozzie with whatever he does. I know he's not going to go into the season without a LT. Worse case scenario Oher does it for a year, that's not optimal but he won't get Joe Killed.
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McKinnie will last for another year, too. Don't be surprised if he is back here.
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[quote name='jaege' timestamp='1363619047' post='1402982']
If we are going to fantasize about players that "we might get" lets go whole hog here. I want Clay Mathews, and JJ Watts and Polomalu at age 24, while we are at it. That is as likely as Dumervil , or Long or any of these other relatively high dollar pick-ups that fans keep suggesting we could get.

Come on, remember which team we are thinking about here. Oz [i]rarely[/i] spends that kind of money for FAs. Besides we do not even have that kind of money to spend.
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Umm... Who is talking about getting Long? No one.

Dumervil is only being discussed because sources have linked him to us. Ozzie & Co. are meeting with his agent this week actually.... Why would they do that if it's impossible that we'd sign him? He was just willing to accept a $4million deal from the Broncos. It was made public so other teams know that, plus the market for pass rushers has been set and it is weak. He actually might be relatively easy to get at a 1 or 2 yr deal worth $5mill or $4mill on 2yr deal.

Long just signed iwth the Rams and the guy (Saffold) who he's replacing is who's being discussed as a possibility. And, again, Dumervil is ONLY being discussed bc sources have said Ozzie has shown interest and is actually meeting with him this week. so, dont really know what your gripe is bud, but its a bit off base. It's not fans fantasizing... its fans discussing the likelihood of what has actually been reported.

P.S. - Dume will only get $4-6mill bc he showed his hand by taking a paycut that would have gotten him $4mill to stay in Denver. Other top tier FA pass rushers like Avril and Bennett have signed similar $4-6mill deals bc its a soft market this year and are hoping to bet on themselves to have a good year and get a big deal in FA next offseason.

We do have that kind of money, especially for a player the caliber of Dumervil.... clearly since Ozzie is meeting with his agent. Why meet with him if signing him is a financial impossibility? But then again wait, you're probably right since you know more about our FA plans and cap situation than Ozzie.
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[quote name='BOLDnPurPnBlacK' timestamp='1363621016' post='1403012']
Umm... Who is talking about getting Long? No one.

Dumervil is only being discussed because sources have linked him to us. Ozzie & Co. are meeting with his agent this week actually.... Why would they do that if it's impossible that we'd sign him?[b] He was just willing to accept a $4million deal from the Broncos.[/b] It was made public so other teams know that, plus the market for pass rushers has been set and it is weak. He actually might be relatively easy to get at a 1 or 2 yr deal worth $5mill or $4mill on 2yr deal.

Long just signed iwth the Rams and the guy (Saffold) who he's replacing is who's being discussed as a possibility. And, again, Dumervil is ONLY being discussed bc sources have said Ozzie has shown interest and is actually meeting with him this week. so, dont really know what your gripe is bud, but its a bit off base. It's not fans fantasizing... its fans discussing the likelihood of what has actually been reported.
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The reason for this is because the Broncos have already been forced to pay him 4.9 mil from his signing bonus in the previous contract. The original pay reduction was to 8 mil. Signing Bonus + new contract at 4 = 8 mil. The snafu is the only real reason he is accepting such a low ball offer.

Edit: The reason the market is so low right now is because of the fact that all that remains on it are ageing injury prone pass rushers. These are guys people dont want to give more than a 1 year deal to. Dumervil compares more to Kruger. Young and still very productive with multiple years left in his career. He could easily get 8 mil on the market and will likely test it to use as leverage against the Broncos.
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[quote name='CapoRocky' timestamp='1363619414' post='1402988']
McKinnie will last for another year, too. Don't be surprised if he is back here.
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Yeah hopefully for only 2-3 million for a one year deal and the "fat clause" in there. If he's that cheap it would make more sense than going after Saffold and losing a draft pick.
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[quote name='Sizzlebshu' timestamp='1363621311' post='1403016']
The reason for this is because the Broncos have already been forced to pay him 4.9 mil from his signing bonus in the previous contract. The original pay reduction was to 8 mil. Signing Bonus + new contract at 4 = 8 mil. The snafu is the only real reason he is accepting such a low ball offer.
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I know, but that reduction would have only netted him $4mill in new money... thus being in reality only a 1 yr/$4mill contract. If he was willing to accept that to stay in Denver, teams arent going to throw $8mill at him... His market now is between $4-6mill and he'll do a 1yr, 2yr contract tops in hopes of cashing in big next year....

However all of this is moot if the NFL makes the fax thing null and void and validates/honors the original restructured agreement.
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[quote name='Blackbirds Rule' timestamp='1363621608' post='1403021']
Yeah hopefully for only 2-3 million for a one year deal and the "fat clause" in there. If he's that cheap it would make more sense than going after Saffold and losing a draft pick.
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yeah my guess is that mckinnie will get a veteran minimum base salary with a ton of weight based incentives. either he'll get a smaller contract with lot of incentives, or he'll get a bigger contract with a weight clause and no incentives
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[quote name='Blackbirds Rule' timestamp='1363621608' post='1403021']
Yeah hopefully for only 2-3 million for a one year deal and the [b]"fat clause"[/b] in there. If he's that cheap it would make more sense than going after Saffold and losing a draft pick.
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Isn't that the non-politically correct name of the guy who delivers presents for Christmas?
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[quote name='BOLDnPurPnBlacK' timestamp='1363621016' post='1403012']
Umm... Who is talking about getting Long? No one.

Dumervil is only being discussed because sources have linked him to us. Ozzie & Co. are meeting with his agent this week actually.... Why would they do that if it's impossible that we'd sign him? He was just willing to accept a $4million deal from the Broncos. It was made public so other teams know that, plus the market for pass rushers has been set and it is weak. He actually might be relatively easy to get at a 1 or 2 yr deal worth $5mill or $4mill on 2yr deal.

Long just signed iwth the Rams and the guy (Saffold) who he's replacing is who's being discussed as a possibility. And, again, Dumervil is ONLY being discussed bc sources have said Ozzie has shown interest and is actually meeting with him this week. so, dont really know what your gripe is bud, but its a bit off base. It's not fans fantasizing... its fans discussing the likelihood of what has actually been reported.

P.S. - Dume will only get $4-6mill bc he showed his hand by taking a paycut that would have gotten him $4mill to stay in Denver. Other top tier FA pass rushers like Avril and Bennett have signed similar $4-6mill deals bc its a soft market this year and are hoping to bet on themselves to have a good year and get a big deal in FA next offseason.

We do have that kind of money, especially for a player the caliber of Dumervil.... clearly since Ozzie is meeting with his agent. Why meet with him if signing him is a financial impossibility? But then again wait, you're probably right since you know more about our FA plans and cap situation than Ozzie.
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People were talking about Long up until moments before he was signed. I thought Dum was going to take a 4mill paycut from 12 mill, that meant he was getting 8 mill from the Broncos, at least that is what I read. Regardless I don't think we have 4mil to give him. I would be surprised if we offered that much and even more that he took it. The guys is good, but his cost is going to reflect that.


Oz tends to pick up guys that most fans did not even consdier to be on the radar, like Speer, and Canty. He rarely picks up big name guys like Dumervil or Harrison.
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[quote name='BOLDnPurPnBlacK' timestamp='1363621650' post='1403023']
I know, but that reduction would have only netted him $4mill in new money... thus being in reality only a 1 yr/$4mill contract. If he was willing to accept that to stay in Denver, teams arent going to throw $8mill at him... His market now is between $4-6mill and he'll do a 1yr, 2yr contract tops in hopes of cashing in big next year....

However all of this is moot if the NFL makes the fax thing null and void and validates/honors the original restructured agreement.
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So you think that just because he is getting 4 mill from the Broncos he will drop his asking price for anyone else by that amount? That is wishful thinking. If it was me, I would just consider that 4m to be a parting bonus, and still get the 8 mill market value for myself from another team.
After all there were teams willing to pay Krugar 40m for 5 years. Dum should be able to get at least that.
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[quote name='jaege' timestamp='1363628333' post='1403245']
So you think that just because he is getting 4 mill from the Broncos he will drop his asking price for anyone else by that amount? That is wishful thinking. If it was me, I would just consider that 4m to be a parting bonus, and still get the 8 mill market value for myself from another team.
After all there were teams willing to pay Krugar 40m for 5 years. Dum should be able to get at least that.
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It depends on Elvis. If he wants to be paid and not be on a contender he'll go for the money. If he wants a ring or chance at it he'll sign with a contender for around 4- 5 million on a one year deal and then go into FA looking for a big deal with a signing bonus.
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[quote name='Blackbirds Rule' timestamp='1363615353' post='1402922']
I though Vollmer was a RT.
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Yeah but he can play both sides, much better than oher would.
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