Antwan Barnes?

[zac_fuller]

The former raven is a free agent and shouldn't cost too much. I remember when he was traded most people on here were upset seeing as how he is young and has shown potential. We have a need at linebacker and I would like to see us give Barnes another shot here. Thoughts?

[ravefan52]

I think he would be a good situational pass rusher and provide great depth. He could be somewhat cheap too.

[dirtybird10]

Probably a lot cheaper and certainly younger than James Harrison. If we are going with the small ball and youth approach, this would seem like a good move. That way if a really nice pass rusher comes available in the early rounds of the draft, we do not have a log jam there either.

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='dirtybird10' timestamp='1363356877' post='1398185']
Probably a lot cheaper and certainly younger than James Harrison. If we are going with the small ball and youth approach, this would seem like a good move. That way if a really nice pass rusher comes available in the early rounds of the draft, we do not have a log jam there either.
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Younger, cheaper, but not anywhere close to being as complete. Harrison is a complete OLB.

[BloodRaven]

Good pass rusher, but why was he not re-signed? and why did we trade get rid of him in the first place?

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1363357370' post='1398207']
Good pass rusher, but why was he not re-signed? and why did we trade get rid of him in the first place?
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He is a pass rushing specialist who doesn't play ST and from what I remember wasn't the best in rush defense. So, he just does one thing well.

[BloodRaven]

[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1363357467' post='1398210']
He is a pass rushing specialist who doesn't play ST and from what I remember wasn't the best in rush defense. So, he just does one thing well.
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It's not because of his lack of run defense, he was a situational rusher that was his role.

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1363357813' post='1398231']


It's not because of his lack of run defense, he was a situational rusher that was his role.
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Uhhh...the whole reason he is a situational pass rusher is due to his run defense. Otherwise he would be a starter.

[BloodRaven]

[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1363358048' post='1398240']
Uhhh...the whole reason he is a situational pass rusher is due to his run defense. Otherwise he would be a starter.
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Uhhh...not everyone has to be a starter to contribute, a 4th round pick who can rush on passing downs is good value.

[cushrinada1986]

Barnes was supposed to be what Kruger is now, a situational pass rusher that can come in on passing and rushing 3rd downs to cover the TE, RB, and go after the QB. Maybe with some time to learn his craft, he may be able to step back into that role in Baltimore and not skip a beat from Kruger.

[The Siege]

I would sign Harrison, because if he still has some juice in the engine, you'd have Suggs, Upshaw, and Harrison linebacking.

I could get used to that very easily, given that last year the defense was very good at times and seriously bad sometimes. Stability that Harrison could provide, and he will want to prove something, would serve us well, especially with Jameel McClain uncertain and Pollard gone.

We could also draft a linebacker to learn from Suggs and Harrison.

Sign him up.

[dirtybird10]

[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1363357162' post='1398198']
Younger, cheaper, but not anywhere close to being as complete. Harrison is a complete OLB.
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Thats true but Harrison is OOOOLLLLDD . Not to mention we have Suggs and Upshaw, so really all we are missing is that pass rusher to compliment Suggs on passing downs. Seems to me Harrison will come at more of a price, and will only be around for a year or two.

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1363358629' post='1398263']


Uhhh...not everyone has to be a starter to contribute, a 4th round pick who can rush on passing downs is good value.
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We'll agree to disgaree and I think your comment makes little sense. Yes, that's true that a situational pass rusher could be a starter in theory, but I do not see that being the case here. If we were a 4-3 I could see it. I don't in this situation.

But, that's my opinion.

[H8ME]

Wasn't he in Harbaughs' infamous 'dog house'? When Rex Ryan was here he used him very well. Barnes and J. McClain were used as outside reserve pass rushers. Rex developed both of them just like he did Bart Scott and A. Thomas. Rex left, McClain was moved inside and Harbaugh had issues with Barnes (reported something to do with not playing special teams) The Ravens practically gave him to the Eagles.

[BloodRaven]

[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1363359941' post='1398329']
We'll agree to disgaree and I think your comment makes little sense. Yes, that's true that a situational pass rusher could be a starter in theory, but I do not see that being the case here. If we were a 4-3 I could see it. I don't in this situation.

But, that's my opinion.
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The point is we didn't trade him because he couldn't stop the run because he wasn't a starter, he was depth behind Suggs and JJ.

[Bazooka Joe]

Seems we have that guy already on the team. Adrian Hamilton. And Hamilton did play STs for us at season's end.

[The Raven]

[quote name='Bazooka Joe' timestamp='1363360894' post='1398367']
Seems we have that guy already on the team. Adrian Hamilton. And Hamilton did play STs for us at season's end.
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I can't wait to see what he can do!

[Bazooka Joe]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1363361469' post='1398383']


I can't wait to see what he can do!
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I really think he's a gem. I think of how we lost James Harrison and I think this kid has that kind of potential.

[Free Agent]

[quote name='Bazooka Joe' timestamp='1363360894' post='1398367']
Seems we have that guy already on the team. Adrian Hamilton. And Hamilton did play STs for us at season's end.
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I'm very eager to see what both Hamilton and Michael McAdoo can do.

[Bazooka Joe]

[quote name='Free Agent' timestamp='1363362121' post='1398412']


I'm very eager to see what both Hamilton and Michael McAdoo can do.
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Me too but I hope he's not injury prone

[Free Agent]

[quote name='Bazooka Joe' timestamp='1363362432' post='1398420']
Me too but I hope he's not injury prone
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I think McAdoo has just caught some terrible breaks. Luckily we don't have anything really invested in him.

[Tiz]

Tavares gooden is also a free agent

That said Ozzie has a plan and i don't feel it involves these guys

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1363360605' post='1398358']


The point is we didn't trade him because he couldn't stop the run because he wasn't a starter, he was depth behind Suggs and JJ.
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I am not saying we did trade him because of that alone, though I feel that made him expendable because you wouldn't get rid of someone who could replace a FA in two years.

He also didn't last long with the Eagles.

[dirtybird10]

[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1363359941' post='1398329']
We'll agree to disgaree and I think your comment makes little sense. Yes, that's true that a situational pass rusher could be a starter in theory, but I do not see that being the case here. If we were a 4-3 I could see it. I don't in this situation.

But, that's my opinion.
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I would say that Barnes is a lot like Kruger. He would be depth, but he would have his role in every game.

[Alexir]

[quote name='dirtybird10' timestamp='1363367900' post='1398560']
I would say that Barnes is a lot like Kruger. He would be depth, but he would have his role in every game.
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I agree but will Ozzie and Harbaugh? Doubt it since they traded him for a pack of gum and tube socks.

[dirtybird10]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1363369248' post='1398582']
I agree but will Ozzie and Harbaugh? Doubt it since they traded him for a pack of gum and tube socks.
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True but you never know. If he is out there for the right place. They all saw what he did to us when we played against him. You never know, and maybe they don't really want a one trick pony right now, or maybe they think they can do better in the draft. However, I would think it wouldn't be a bad move to add him back for a low price.

[gabefergy]

We got rid of Barnes for more than just his one-dimensional play. He had serious attitude issues and thought overly of himself. He was too good for ST and as others have pointed out, not a great run defender. Putting everything aside I wouldnt mind kicking the tires here, but I just dont see it happening. I think there is some bad blood between Barnes and the Ravens...do none of you remember him taunting the Ravens sideline before the 4th and 29?