Dennis Pitta receiving inquiries from multiple teams

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='The Prestige' timestamp='1363377799' post='1398885']
I'm taking it - with all the ridicule I'm receiving - that you guys (and gal) think Ozzie Newsome would have released Bernard Pollard even if Harbaugh had not have been so forceful with the padded practices.

You also must think that Ed Reed's statement to Andre Johnson had nothing to do with Harbaugh.

Maybe the Ravens find safeties already as good as Reed and Pollard in the draft. I'm a Ravens fan, so I hope I'm wrong. I staunchly defended every move (I even said before Boldin was dealt that I wouldn't pay him $6 MIL in that situation) before the Pollard one.

I guess it's more important for Bisciotti to have the coach who preps the team the way Harbaugh does. I mean, Herm Edwards, Eric Mangini, Ken Whisenhunt and Mike Singletary all had their teams playing hard. Who wouldn't want them over having Reed and Pollard? I mean, none of them called plays either, but - I TELL YA, STEVE - they got their teams READY! You just can't find a guy who doesn't have strong X's and O's but is a great leader like Harbaugh ANYWHERE.

...Edwards, Mangini, Whisenhunt and Singletary would all have accepted the Ravens job.
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lol you shouldn't believe everything the bloggers tell you dude. Really, you shouldn't. Just as an example, Reed just left Houston without a contract. If he was so set and ready, it would be done.

[The Prestige]

[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1363378044' post='1398895']
lol you shouldn't believe everything the bloggers tell you dude. Really, you shouldn't. Just as an example, Reed just left Houston without a contract. If he was so set and ready, it would be done.
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Maybe because you stopped reading my post due to you thinking it was so stupid for a GM to trade his coach, you missed this.

[quote name='The Prestige' timestamp='1363373298' post='1398725']
However, and feel free to offer retorts here, the Ravens are likely losing two of the 10 best safeties in the NFL. Ed's a loyal dude who loves the city, so it's not certain.
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[quote name='The Prestige' timestamp='1363373298' post='1398725']
Let's hope Ed Reed stays, but the Ravens won't be able to afford Pitta if he signs an offer sheet. They could when Boldin gets back to take his physical.
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[Purple Nurple]

Trade a coach? Whaaaaaa?

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='The Prestige' timestamp='1363378320' post='1398905']
Maybe because you stopped reading my post due to you thinking it was so stupid for a GM to trade his coach, you missed this.
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I'm going to assume you are either very young or a new student of the NFL.

1. You can't trade HCs or make deals with other teams about them. There is a certain hiring practice you must follow within the NFL for HCs. Period. The Rooney Rule is just one example.

2. Boldin was about cap money. Period. He wouldn't agree to less so our choices were trade him or cut him. They got the best they could for him considering everyone knew we were about to cut the man.

3. Padded practices are not illegal or infringing on a players' rights. They are allowed, just only a certain number of them. Harbaugh had every right to request one. Personally, if you noticed all the missed tackling going on , I believe that is one reason why (not just the Ravens, but around the league as well).

[EricH]

[quote name='The Prestige' timestamp='1363373298' post='1398725']
..........They're losing them because they disrespected Harbaugh.

Absurd as it sounds, Bisciotti could have pulled an Al Davis and traded John Harbaugh, then elevated Caldwell or made Rob Ryan head coach. I'm just saying. Let's not forget Harbaugh only stopped defending Cam Cameron when it started to look bad on him. The team wouldn't have changed much should they have decided to trade Harbaugh.....
(and on and on and on)
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[melvinmelon123]

So we should get rid of our coach, right after winning the superbowl, because it's possible our SS was a locker room problem?

Right...

[The Prestige]

[quote name='Purple Nurple' timestamp='1363378445' post='1398906']
Trade a coach? Whaaaaaa?
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I wasn't trying to wander off topic. It's just that Pollard's release was the TURNING point for me in terms of my agreement with Ozzie.

Either Reed leaving - a 60% possibility - or Pitta leaving - which I think is only a 9% possibility - or both represent(s) a tipping point from a RELOADING team to a REBUILDING one.

You can put just about any guy off the street or a rookie at MLB and be fine. A good defense needs MLB to sniff out plays, take good angles, not get abused in coverage. I could list at least 12 guys out there who would fit this bill available for cheap or in 4th round or later.

The shift to John Harbaugh talk is tangential because insiders claim that Pollard, Reed, and maybe even Boldin would have had a better chance of staying if John Harbaugh wasn't the coach. Ultimately, most people on this site would rather have Harbaugh . I disagree, because - irrespective of how cool a dude any coach is - the only head coaches who aren't replaceable in an instant are the ones who are geniuses at X's and O's.

Ultimately, I'm just saying that Pollard and Reed have had more to do with this team's 2012 season success than Harbaugh did AND losing Pitta wouldn't hurt so much if they didn't have to draft Reed's replacement so high.

[The Prestige]

Additionally, with regard to the possibility to drafting to replace Pitta, they would have an extra pick from the Harbaugh trade.

[wademan2636]

i think pitta is worth more than a 2nd round pick. the main reason: his terrific chemistry with flacco. it will be even more important now that boldin is gone. we can't afford to lose pitta.

[EnVy_CaLiBeR]

People used to joke about trading Cam Cameron but now we're seriously talking about trading John Harbaugh? lol

[Purple Nurple]

[quote name='EnVy_CaLiBeR' timestamp='1363379738' post='1398941']
People used to joke about trading Cam Cameron but now we're seriously talking about trading John Harbaugh? lol
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Lol. Only one person here is serious about trading a coach.

[Inqui]

[quote name='The Prestige' timestamp='1363379316' post='1398925']
Additionally, with regard to the possibility to drafting to replace Pitta, they would have an extra pick from the Harbaugh trade.
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Again, YOU CAN'T TRADE A COACH.

You trade players that are still on contract, and that's about it. You fire a coach, and hire a new one.

[gabefergy]

[redlobster]

[quote name='Inqui' timestamp='1363380100' post='1398957']
Again, YOU CAN'T TRADE A COACH.

You trade players that are still on contract, and that's about it. You fire a coach, and hire a new one.
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Yes you can trade a coach, or could a few years back.

Remeber when Oakland traded Jon Gruden to Tampa Bay? the price was 2 first rounders, 2 second rounders and 8 million in cash

[gabefergy]

[quote name='redlobster' timestamp='1363380335' post='1398964']
Yes you can trade a coach, or could a few years back.

Remeber when Oakland traded Jon Gruden to Tampa Bay? the price was 2 first rounders, 2 second rounders and 8 million in cash
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I dont think there is any rule that doesnt allow it, but the idea of "trading" Harbaugh is so absurd it really doesnt warrant discussion.

[wademan2636]

[quote name='redlobster' timestamp='1363380335' post='1398964']
Yes you can trade a coach, or could a few years back.

Remeber when Oakland traded Jon Gruden to Tampa Bay? the price was 2 first rounders, 2 second rounders and 8 million in cash
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didn't tampa beat them in the super bowl a year or two later? smart trade, right?

[The Prestige]

[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1363378765' post='1398909']
I'm going to assume you are either very young or a new student of the NFL.

1. You can't trade HCs or make deals with other teams about them. There is a certain hiring practice you must follow within the NFL for HCs. Period. The Rooney Rule is just one example.

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You are right. They can't be traded the same way as before. I don't know if there is still a way to trade them. You can make assumptions about me being stupid, but you've yet to explain when and how the rule was changed from when Gruden was dealt.

[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1363378765' post='1398909']
2. Boldin was about cap money. Period. He wouldn't agree to less so our choices were trade him or cut him. They got the best they could for him considering everyone knew we were about to cut the man.
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Agreed, but we don't know (yet?) if he would have been more willing to accept less money to play if Harbaugh wasn't the coach.

[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1363378765' post='1398909']
3. Padded practices are not illegal or infringing on a players' rights. They are allowed, just only a certain number of them. Harbaugh had every right to request one. Personally, if you noticed all the missed tackling going on , I believe that is one reason why (not just the Ravens, but around the league as well).
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When it comes to mutiny or insubordination by NFL players, I usually side with the coach because the coach is in charge.

All I'm saying is that John Harbaugh - particularly with his 2nd quarter eating of timeouts and his faith in Cam Cameron - is just like Brad Childress in that he hasn't EARNED the respect or clout of his players. Sometimes, it's just players who are resistant to tough coaches. Sometimes, it's a coach who doesn't know his players, doesn't have a plan the CONVINCES them to buy in, and doesn't communicate well enough to keep a mutiny from happening. A different coach might've handled it better than Harbaugh. I'm just speculating.

If what insiders are saying is correct - that Pollard, Boldin and Reed may all have returned if not for Harbaugh - it just smacks me as similar to when Josh McDaniels got rid of Cutler, then Marshall a year later because he couldn't get along with them.

Even if Pollard, Boldin and Reed were out of line, I would have hoped some discipline could have occurred and fences mended.

I just know that players dictate outcomes far more than coaches do. How else could Todd Haley have been offensive coordinator and Clancy Pendergast defensive coordinator for a Super Bowl team? The same goes for a Chicago team with a Ron Turner-coordinated offense and a Ken Whisenhunt-coordinated Pittsburgh team.

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1363380549' post='1398969']
I dont think there is any rule that doesnt allow it, but the idea of "trading" Harbaugh is so absurd it really doesnt warrant discussion.
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They aren't traded. All the hiring practices still have to be followed. Interviews (Ravens allow an interview) and a hiring. The compensatory picks come into play only if the coach is under contract and are determined given the high profile of the coach, contract length etc. It isn't calling up Oakland and saying, hey, you want our head coach for 2 first rounders? They would have to approach Harbaugh, make an offer, Harbaugh wants to accept and then they hash out the picks required for them to release him from his contract.

Edit: ...and to be honest, I'm not even sure if that is allowed anymore.

[The Prestige]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1363380233' post='1398962']

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Preferring to have Pollard and Reed over John Harbaugh makes me a troll?

Are there any personnel decisions we're allowed to disagree with or any coaching criticism we can make that don't make us trolls?

[DMH_in_WA]

I think we need to stop talking about how the Ravens cleared the cap for "this" or for "that". We don't know why they cleared cap space. It could be for this year or they may be trying to save money to roll-over into next season. As I posted in another thread, don't forget that next year you have Oher, Leach, Jacoby & Arthur Jones, Graham, Pitta, Dickson, Ihedigbo and Cody all becoming Unrestricted Free Agents.

I will say I'd be surprised if anyone went so high on Pitta that we couldn't match it ... although, Miami and Cleveland have the cap space and the FO dumb enough to possibly overpay him Wes Welker-like money. For Cleveland, it might also be a way to give themselves another advantage by taking away one of Flacco's safety blankets. Cleveland really has money to burn. They still have something like $39million left in their cap.

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='DMH_in_WA' timestamp='1363381485' post='1398989']
I think we need to stop talking about how the Ravens cleared the cap for "this" or for "that". We don't know why they cleared cap space. It could be for this year or they may be trying to save money to roll-over into next season. As I posted in another thread, don't forget that next year you have Oher, Leach, Jacoby & Arthur Jones, Graham, Pitta, Dickson, Ihedigbo and Cody all becoming Unrestricted Free Agents.

I will say I'd be surprised if anyone went so high on Pitta that we couldn't match it ... although, Miami and Cleveland have the cap space and the FO dumb enough to possibly overpay him Wes Welker-like money. For Cleveland, it might also be a way to give themselves another advantage by taking away one of Flacco's safety blankets. Cleveland really has money to burn. They still have something like $39million left in their cap.
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I know. The Bengals had a bunch too but not sure how much they've spent.

Odds are no one makes him an offer to be honest. I just thought they were taking a slight risk with the 2nd rounder.

[DMH_in_WA]

[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1363381644' post='1398992']
I know. The Bengals had a bunch too but not sure how much they've spent.

Odds are no one makes him an offer to be honest. I just thought they were taking a [b]slight risk with the 2nd rounder.[/b]
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Now -that- I didn't understand. It would have only cost around $800k more to put in a 1st round tender on him. I get the feeling that there was no time to negotiate on his contract this year because of how long the Flacco deal took so they slapped the tender .. but 1st would have probably been a sure bet that no one made a move.

And yea, Bengals are at around $34mil under the cap right now.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='The Prestige' timestamp='1363381448' post='1398987']
Preferring to have Pollard and Reed over John Harbaugh makes me a troll?

Are there any personnel decisions we're allowed to disagree with or any coaching criticism we can make that don't make us trolls?
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It's completely off- subject and non-sensicial, you are trying to elicit responses about something abusrd. Sounds awfully trollish to me.

[Yatagarasu]

Talks been quiet, maybe the teams are thinking twice about trading for Pitta. I think these talks went down when Miami settle with Dustin Keller, who is a good serviceable TE.

There's plenty of TEs out there like Brandon Myer, who is a pass catcher only. That settle downs the talks for now.

[Moderator 3]

[quote name='redlobster' timestamp='1363380335' post='1398964']


Yes you can trade a coach, or could a few years back.

Remeber when Oakland traded Jon Gruden to Tampa Bay? the price was 2 first rounders, 2 second rounders and 8 million in cash
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At some point since then the NFL decided to NOT allow coaches to be traded for draft picks. Only players and picks can be traded.

[Gordo52]

When are we going to get our comp pick from losing Pagano? lol

[Yatagarasu]

Losing Pagano sucked, but at least Pees kept the defense serviceable.

[ellicottraven]

[quote name='Mr. Irrelevant' timestamp='1363356828' post='1398182']
We have two solid TEs. If we lose him, we get a second rounder.

Oz will match this one
[/quote]The problem with matching it for Oz is that Boldin's salary is still on the books. They simply don't have the cap space to match squat right now. A smart team that really wants Pitta can swoop in immediately, before Boldin takes his physical with the Niners and we can't do a dang thing about it - very frustrating!

[DMH_in_WA]

[quote name='ellicottraven' timestamp='1363386575' post='1399135']
The problem with matching it for Oz is that Boldin's salary is still on the books. They simply don't have the cap space to match squat right now. A smart team that really wants Pitta can swoop in immediately, before Boldin takes his physical with the Niners and we can't do a dang thing about it - very frustrating!
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While technically true, that wouldn't be a problem. Boldin isn't going to count more than $1.5mil on our cap no matter what happens since, if he failed the 49ers physical and they cancelled the deal, we would just cut him ... same cap number.

[Grendelwulf21]

So.. Pitta.... I love that guy! Just got his jersey, he can't leave! EVER!!! I have a SUPER man crush on him, I like to rewatch him dragging those Bengals for extra yards