Preston: Harbaugh Clearing Out Mutineers

[melvinmelon123]

[quote name='H8R' timestamp='1363214445' post='1394483']
It's pretty simple really... The defense feels entitled at times, and rightfully so. For many years, they were the bell cows.
Johns personality shows more on offense! Steady guys who will unselfishly do whats best for the team. Think about it.. Rice? Doesnt complain about Peirces emergence. Pitta never says anything except, "ok coach" even when Dickson was thought to be the better TE. Oher is a great team mate. Torrey is humble, hard working and productive. Yanda is the bull that doesnt quit. Jacoby knows hes a role player, hes said that OVER AND OVER. KO is the young fella willing to work his but off, no matter the situation. All of these are on board with "The team, the team , THE TEAM.
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This really makes perfect sense. Moving away from the loud mouthed, in your face players that we were known for explains exactly why we would move on from Pollard. You are exactly right about the offense, and a lot of it has to do with Joe. He is very workmanlike, just go out their and do your job. If they want Joe to be the leader of this team, it would make sense that outspoken players like Pollard would have to adjust or go.

[T3hRaven]

Interesting idea, I'm not surprised if this is actually the case. Wish I could find some more reliable insider information.

[Ed_Reed20]

You never want guys causing a disturbance in the locker but personally, I like having a few loudmouthed guys on the field.

[T3hRaven]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1363217220' post='1394617']
You never want guys causing a disturbance in the locker but personally, I like having a few loudmouthed guys on the field.
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Suggs' Alien from [i]Alien[/i] like mouth is big enough for the whole team, I assure you. Gotta love Sizzle.

[PurpleCityLights]

[quote name='BMORElegacy' timestamp='1363205502' post='1393914']
It doesn't make sense because it isn't true.
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Yeah, just like John's "Dog House"....

[elliot]

[quote name='melvinmelon123' timestamp='1363216256' post='1394566']
This really makes perfect sense. Moving away from the loud mouthed, in your face players that we were known for explains exactly why we would move on from Pollard. You are exactly right about the offense, and a lot of it has to do with Joe. He is very workmanlike, just go out their and do your job. If they want Joe to be the leader of this team, it would make sense that outspoken players like Pollard would have to adjust or go.
[/quote] I Heard Cris Canty on the radio today. He sounds like someone who will fit in with the NEW Ravens. When asked if he was worried about all the players leaving, he said "Mr Newsome and Coach Harbaugh" said they had a plan and he blieved them.

[MTRavensFan]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1363217220' post='1394617']
You never want guys causing a disturbance in the locker but personally, I like having a few loudmouthed guys on the field.
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True that.
But loudmouths can also be all about the team - look at Lewis. Without his type of leadership, you end up with a bunch of ego-centric losers who only hurt the team. Like Cary Williams - can't control his temper, and should have been ejected from the SB for shoving that ref.

[MTRavensFan]

[quote name='T3hRaven' timestamp='1363217400' post='1394630']
Suggs' Alien from [i]Alien[/i] like mouth is big enough for the whole team, I assure you. Gotta love Sizzle.
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Agreed. LOVE Sizzle

[MsMarvel73]

I take anything Mike Preston says/writes with a HUGE salt shaker full of salt (more than a mere grain)!

[berad]

Preston is just feasting off the upheaval. He lives for this stuff. Sadly people have bought it.

[EricH]

[quote name='T3hRaven' timestamp='1363217400' post='1394630']
Suggs' Alien from [i]Alien[/i] like mouth is big enough for the whole team, I assure you. Gotta love Sizzle.
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I always thought of Sizzle as being more of the Predator than Alien.

[K-Dog]

I am not buying a word in that article.

Not one.

[DMH_in_WA]

[quote name='edreedfromtheu' timestamp='1363213604' post='1394432']
But hey, if this is truly the case... that Harbaugh is simply getting rid of guys that upset him... then this is just ANOTHER CASE of Harbaugh being a baby and implementing his "doghouse" tactic.
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Really? If what has been said is true, then he is nipping a problem in the bud. If it was veterans like Ray Lewis who were keeping hot heads in check and those guys are no longer there, then something needs to be done before those mouths become a cancer in the clubhouse.

You think this is something? You should see what it looks like out here in Seattle. In Pete Carroll's first two years, he made something like 130 personnel moves across the organization. If you were not on the same page as Carroll, if you didn't buy in, you were gone. How's that working out for him?

[T3hRaven]

[quote name='EricH' timestamp='1363218925' post='1394751']
I always thought of Sizzle as being more of the Predator than Alien.
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It's his teeth man, they're really weird and come out like the little alien head.

[wademan2636]

[quote name='DMH_in_WA' timestamp='1363219443' post='1394781']
Really? If what has been said is true, then he is nipping a problem in the bud. If it was veterans like Ray Lewis who were keeping hot heads in check and those guys are no longer there, then something needs to be done before those mouths become a cancer in the clubhouse.

You think this is something? You should see what it looks like out here in Seattle. In Pete Carroll's first two years, he made something like 130 personnel moves across the organization. If you were not on the same page as Carroll, if you didn't buy in, you were gone. How's that working out for him?
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team chemistry is just as important as talent. and being a good teammate usually translates onto the playing field as well as in the locker room. if you can't get along with your coach or teammates, it hurts the rest of the team.

and btw, A+ for that example. you win, sir

[frozen joe flacco fan]

[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1363213243' post='1394407']
Actually from the outset of the playoffs, Preston picked the Ravens to win every single one. Which was surprising but Preston isn't as bad as some people think. He'll lit the Ravens up for some mundane things but he very much so values the toughness the team plays with. Thats why he picked them through the playoff run, he didn't think the Broncos were battle tested or the Pats tough enough to win another AFC Champ game (even though winning the first by the skin of Lee Evans hands) and thought John would have Baltimore better prepared than Jim would the 49ers.
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Good stuff! I have to admit I quit listening to him midway through the season on the Purple Passion Show but I thought he predicted we would lose to Peyton in Denver.

[Bazooka Joe]

When Ray was here, he sort of was the glue as well as enforcer that kept big personalities at bay. It was HIS team. Now that he's gone, Harbaugh doesn't have Ray to play enforcer and so it wouldve been every man for himself.

Flacco cannot handle big peersonality guys like a Boldin, Pollard Reed or Mckinnie. Flacco couldn't handle Derrick Mason.

This is going to be a quieter team with less bravado. More of a "do as I do" type team. Will be quite different

[frozen joe flacco fan]

[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1363213326' post='1394413']
An anonymous NFL personnel scout said to PFT something that reiterates that possible point "3 teams in 5 years tells you all you need to know".

That development is interesting to say the least. Though I don't entirely disagree with the Bynes assessment. I still don't know why people are so high on him on this board.
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Humm! If this source is reliable, it sounds like Ed Reed's and Cary Williams' days may be numbered as Ravens.

[Ragin'Raven]

Nothing wrong with a team of guys who sort of do what their coach tells them to do; not quite a dictatorship, but a little stricter than an open democracy. It reminds me of another Harbaugh coached team out West, and they made the Super Bowl too.

[frozen joe flacco fan]

[quote name='Ragin'Raven' timestamp='1363220628' post='1394852']
Nothing wrong with a team of guys who sort of do what their coach tells them to do; not quite a dictatorship, but a little stricter than an open democracy. It reminds me of another Harbaugh coached team out West, and they made the Super Bowl too.
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You have to draw a line in the sand somewhere. No member of the band can march to the tune of two different drum beats. Fortunately for the Niners, Mike Singletary straightened out Vernon Davis before he left. Unfortunately, he berated Vernon in public, which was unnecessary and led to his firing. There is no place in an organization, especially a sports team, for the type of distractions caused by malcontents. Players need to keep their mouths shut and play ball. That is what I liked so much about Q. He appeared to do his job in an unassuming way. On the other hand, if he was a malcontent, then the Ravens were right to let him go.

[BloodRaven]

I wouldn't have bought into that theory, but then why else was Pollard released? he was a low cap hit, played like a Raven etc it just doesn't make sense unless theres more to it.

Harbaughs doghouse and ego really hurts the team sometimes.

[The Raven]

[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1363240713' post='1395527']
I wouldn't have bought into that theory, but then why else was Pollard released? he was a low cap hit, played like a Raven etc it just doesn't make sense unless theres more to it.

Harbaughs doghouse and ego really hurts the team sometimes.
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When you have locker room disturbances like the ones Pollard has been accused of, it has nothing the hell to do with "ego" and a "dog house." It's got to do with maintaining a classy organization and keeping a team of good men together. Reports that have surfaced today have clearly indicated that while Pollard played like a Raven ON the field, he was a cancer off the field.

Locker room cancers hurt the team as much as, if not more than a headstrong head coach. That is a fact.

[T3hRaven]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1363242215' post='1395544']
When you have locker room disturbances like the ones Pollard has been accused of, it has nothing the hell to do with "ego" and a "dog house." It's got to do with maintaining a classy organization and keeping a team of good men together. Reports that have surfaced today have clearly indicated that while Pollard played like a Raven ON the field, he was a cancer off the field.

Locker room cancers hurt the team as much as, if not more than a headstrong head coach. That is a fact.
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I didn't see any reports, what was he doing?

[The Raven]

[quote name='T3hRaven' timestamp='1363242661' post='1395548']
I didn't see any reports, what was he doing?
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Two big rumors came up. Apparently he was the lead mutineer after the Texans game. Undocumented sources have reported that he had a tendency to blow up on coaches and teammates. I can believe it. He's a fiery dude and obviously has a bit of a temper. The exact quote is earlier in this thread, I think.

Here it is:

[quote name='MrPlankton' timestamp='1363213169' post='1394403']
Apparently this is from Ravens Insider, can't find a link so take it with a grain of salt:

"Just got off the phone with a team source. Called and had to wait for a return. Here’s the deal:
John Harbaugh, fresh off a Super Bowl victory, is tired of what he perceives as negative personalities on this team. One of those included Bernard Pollard, who had a tendency to blow up and scream at teammates when things went wrong. After the Redskins game, he told Josh Bynes he didn’t deserve to play in the NFL. He repeatedly fired back at coaches in practices. It was one of those situations where he was great to select teammates — mainly his secondary teammates — but couldn’t give a damn about some of the rest. More than that was his feuding with the coaches that rubbed the staff the wrong way.
I suppose the explanation makes sense because the Ravens only save $1 million in cap space with the move. While getting considerably under the cap for the future’s sake is important, this kind of move isn’t one to exponentially help.
What I was told from this source was that, “John wants to take the team back.” He wants “good soldiers” who are willing to do what’s best for the team. He doesn’t want distractions, which leads to two more players who now should feel worried."
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[T3hRaven]

Thanks. I wonder who the two other players are.

[BloodRaven]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1363242816' post='1395550']
Two big rumors came up. Apparently he was the lead mutineer after the Texans game. Undocumented sources have reported that he had a tendency to blow up on coaches and teammates. I can believe it. He's a fiery dude and obviously has a bit of a temper. The exact quote is earlier in this thread, I think.

Here it is:
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If thats true then I'm fine with it. The "mutiny" I remember reading about was where the players voiced their opinions on Harbaugh's moodswings and how he treated some players.

[Guest RBates]

If you guys are fine with him letting go of good talent that have fiery attitudes then you are watching the wrong sport. There are guys in every locker room that do this. Sometimes it is necessary to build a winning team.

Harbaugh wants quiet guys that play football? You better get use to losing then.
P.s my opinion is biased, i never liked Harbaugh.

[PolishRifle]

Start Tyrod! As QB, HC, GM, WR, SS, MLB and waterboy.

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1363259473' post='1395640']
If you guys are fine with him letting go of good talent that have fiery attitudes then you are watching the wrong sport. There are guys in every locker room that do this. Sometimes it is necessary to build a winning team.

Harbaugh wants quiet guys that play football? You better get use to losing then.
P.s my opinion is biased, i never liked Harbaugh.
[/quote]he's putting a target on his back removing all these leaders. It's his team now that's for sure. He's in control

[runamuk]

they discussed this at length on the fan last night and usually i take everything they say with a grain of salt . but it would explain why you cut a good player and pay him more then you save . otherwise it makes no sense . i agree with arnie too huge target . i think the reason we are so good at developing young d-lineman etc is because of these strong personalities holding them accountable when they make mistakes . supposedly it was three players . no names were given other then pollard.
the talk also was if Leach is asked to take a pay cut he's gone he's not willing to .