Cleveland Is Lost...

[Corvus]

So just after 2 1/2 games of Brady Quinn, it appears the Browns in their desperation to overcome a 10 point deficit installed Derek Anderson back under center in their loss to Houston today. Anyone else find this as amusing as I do? If Anderson starts again for them next week (which in my opinion he should not have even lost his starting job at the point he did), what do we make of Cleveland grasping at potential solutions to try winning even a couple more games this year?

Be glad we have a winner in Joe guys...

[theFRANCHISE]

This is why I'm glad I never fell victim to DA-mania.

Last season, in the midst of the McNair/Boller/Smith quandry, everyone in Ravens nation was criticizing the organization for letting such a "great QB" in Derek Anderson slip through the cracks.

But, like a lot of us had said, Anderson was a one-year wonder, and he's done nothing to prove that statement wrong this year.

So, in a sense, it's ironic that the same people who criticized the personnel staff for letting Anderson go and for drafting Flacco, are also reaping the benefits of Flacco under center.

That's not a knock on people who were upset that Flacco was drafted so high as a slight to Troy Smith; rather, there were people who didn't want Flacco, period, and preferred Chad Henne/Brian Brohm after Matt Ryan was taken. Turns out, Brohm must not be that great if he can't beat fellow rookie Matt Flynn for the 2nd-string QB job in Green Bay, and Henne wasn't as ready as Bill Parcells thought he'd be in his development, hence the acquisition of Chad Pennington.

Hindsight is nice, isn't it?

But, to be fair, it's still too early to judge these rookie QBs. But it's not too early to judge Derek Anderson, nor is it too early to judge the Browns organization for dropping the ball in improving upon last season's potential.

[Guest 410finest]

I could care less about the Browns esp since that trader Jamal Lewis is apart of them. Yep a little piss at him for leaving , mainly because he left shortly after i purchase his jersey. The only reason I go his jersey was because 52 was sold out.

[Sub-Zero]

to be lost, you would had to have been on the right track to begin with. They were never lost, they just plain SUCK!!

[BrownsFan]

Derek Anderson isn't starting next week; end of that topic. As far as the pulling of Quinn I completely disagree with it and have officially jumped on the "Fire Crennel" wagon. There is absolutely no reason or excuse to pull Quinn in that spot after giving him the reigns three games ago. The move Crennel claims was a combination of Brady's finger injury and Brady's struggles but that is total BS. This proves to me that Crennel (as I initially said when it happened) did NOT make the decision to put Quinn in in the first place and used any opportunity he could to get him out of there.

The whole year is a waste really and personally I hope Crennel is gone ASAP. He's done nothing to help better this team at all.

[FerrariFan87]

[quote name='BrownsFan' post='94501' date='Nov 24 2008, 09:58 AM']Derek Anderson isn't starting next week; end of that topic. As far as the pulling of Quinn I completely disagree with it and have officially jumped on the "Fire Crennel" wagon. There is absolutely no reason or excuse to pull Quinn in that spot after giving him the reigns three games ago. The move Crennel claims was a combination of Brady's finger injury and Brady's struggles but that is total BS. This proves to me that Crennel (as I initially said when it happened) did NOT make the decision to put Quinn in in the first place and used any opportunity he could to get him out of there.

The whole year is a waste really and personally I hope Crennel is gone ASAP. He's done nothing to help better this team at all.[/quote]

DA will start if Quinn's finger, which may be a tendon injury, gets worse... he looked awful yesterday.

[BrownsFan]

[quote name='FerrariFan87' post='94504' date='Nov 24 2008, 10:06 AM']DA will start if Quinn's finger, which may be a tendon injury, gets worse... he looked awful yesterday.[/quote]

There is a huge difference in looking awful because it is your 3rd NFL start and looking awful because you cannot throw the ball worth a crap. Quinn was throwing the ball just fine he just made two awful reads which led to two interceptions. Half of his incompletions came from (yeah, this is going to be a BIG shocker) Braylon drops and drops by the other people on our team paid to catch.

As horrible as DA looked yesterday I'd take Quinn with a broken right hand right now over him. Combine that with the fact that Braylon couldn't catch a staph infection if he tried and it's sure to be a real barnburner of a game.

[MKdave]

[quote name='BrownsFan' post='94508' date='Nov 24 2008, 03:10 PM']There is a huge difference in looking awful because it is your 3rd NFL start and looking awful because you cannot throw the ball worth a crap. Quinn was throwing the ball just fine he just made two awful reads which led to two interceptions. Half of his incompletions came from (yeah, this is going to be a BIG shocker) Braylon drops and drops by the other people on our team paid to catch.

As horrible as DA looked yesterday I'd take Quinn with a broken right hand right now over him. Combine that with the fact that Braylon couldn't catch a staph infection if he tried and it's sure to be a real barnburner of a game.[/quote]
You're kinda like us but a year behind. You came from nowhere last year after bringing in a new starting QB, then, with high expectations, he plays like crap, and he get's benched for the first round draft pick, (except for our guy retired/got injured/ill). Plus you've had to contend with injuries like we did last year. Especially in the DBs.

Only difference is, I think you'll still suck next year

[BrownsFan]

[quote name='MKdave' post='94525' date='Nov 24 2008, 10:40 AM']You're kinda like us but a year behind. You came from nowhere last year after bringing in a new starting QB, then, with high expectations, he plays like crap, and he get's benched for the first round draft pick, (except for our guy retired/got injured/ill). Plus you've had to contend with injuries like we did last year. Especially in the DBs.

Only difference is, I think you'll still suck next year [/quote]

The thing that differs slightly IMO is that while Anderson did play like crap he wasn't the only one playing badly; our whole entire team was playing horribly but he was made to be the fall guy. I didn't agree with the way Quinn was put in but being that he was then he was the guy and that was that. The fact he got pulled after 2 1/2 games to me is ridiculous and was a desperate move by a desperate coach.

Odds are we probably will still suck because as plain as it can be the 3-4 defense is not working and hasn't worked for 3 years and eventually they'll figure this out and go back to the 4-3 like we should be playing.

[ravensgirlx88]

In my opinion they should never have downed Andersons confidence when putting in Quinn anyway, I said this from the beginning. The browns have ALOT more issues to deal with than just a QB.

[beetus]

I question Romeo Crennel's judgement when it comes to QBs. I personally didn't think Charlie Frye was bad, he was young and improving and one bad game against a good defense and off he goes. As for the DA/BQ debate, I thought that the fans in Cleveland had a lot of sway in the matter. I wouldn't put all the blame on DA, when we beat them in Cleveland, the playcalling after we cam back was just piss poor, and it just kinda looked like the recievers gave up. Braylon Edwards gets a mean case of butterfingers way too often, Stallworth and Winslow have been hurt a lot too. But DA isn't free from guilt, he's made bad throws, my point is that Crennel was waaaay to premature in benching him.

[BmoreLAT52]

They need to stick with 1 QB. If its going to be BQ dont take him out after 1 bad game. and his third start at that.

[theFRANCHISE]

According to [url="http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/8850902/Sources:-Quinn-to-miss-rest-of-season"]FOXSports.com[/url], Brady Quinn will be out the rest of this season.

Derek Anderson will resume duties under center for the remainder of the year.

[#1 D]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' post='95107' date='Nov 25 2008, 11:08 PM']According to [url="http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/8850902/Sources:-Quinn-to-miss-rest-of-season"]FOXSports.com[/url], Brady Quinn will be out the rest of this season.

Derek Anderson will resume duties under center for the remainder of the year.[/quote]

is it that pinky injury? damn, looked like a good road for Brady. oh well, hopefully he can have a fresh start next season.

[theFRANCHISE]

Unfortunately, that's what happens when your pride blinds you and you press the issue by trying to play hurt.

Granted, I can't really fault Quinn, since I'd maybe do the same thing if I were in his shoes. But, when the season is lost and the starting job next season is all but yours, I think there's a little leeway allowed.

Not only that, but with Quinn's 1st-Round price tag, he's bound to get his shot next season even with a new coach/GM next season.

[#1 D]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' post='95115' date='Nov 25 2008, 11:14 PM']Unfortunately, that's what happens when your pride blinds you and you press the issue by trying to play hurt.

Granted, I can't really fault Quinn, since I'd maybe do the same thing if I were in his shoes. But, when the season is lost and the starting job next season is all but yours, I think there's a little leeway allowed.

Not only that, but with Quinn's 1st-Round price tag, he's bound to get his shot next season even with a new coach/GM next season.[/quote]
ive always liked quinn since his days of notre dame...i really wanted the Ravens to draft him, but (luckily) we didn't. i wanna see him have good success, and i want to see him given a good opportunity to start. heck, if he'd gotten as much playing time as Joe Flacco, he'd be the most talked about quarterback in this league

[Lets_Go_Joe]

[quote name='BrownsFan' post='94501' date='Nov 24 2008, 09:58 AM']Derek Anderson isn't starting next week; end of that topic. As far as the pulling of Quinn I completely disagree with it and have officially jumped on the "Fire Crennel" wagon. There is absolutely no reason or excuse to pull Quinn in that spot after giving him the reigns three games ago. The move Crennel claims was a combination of Brady's finger injury and Brady's struggles but that is total BS. This proves to me that Crennel (as I initially said when it happened) did NOT make the decision to put Quinn in in the first place and used any opportunity he could to get him out of there.

The whole year is a waste really and personally I hope Crennel is gone ASAP. He's done nothing to help better this team at all.[/quote]
Well looks like Crennel may have been right about Brady's finger......

And DA is starting next week lol

But yeah, they have multiple problems, the OL isnt doing as well as they did last year, and the D is sad sometimes. Oh well, now the brown fans who all the sudden surfaced in the 10-6 year last year get to feel how the Ravens felt last year

[Moderator 2]

I had always thought Quinn was a system QB, I think I was proven wrong. If Anderson was so darn awesome after the Browns took him off the Ravens PS, why did they draft Quinn and start Frye last year? He has always been inconsistent. I really home the Browns beat the Colts this weekend.

[BrownsFan]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' post='95115' date='Nov 25 2008, 11:14 PM']Unfortunately, that's what happens when your pride blinds you and you press the issue by trying to play hurt.

Granted, I can't really fault Quinn, since I'd maybe do the same thing if I were in his shoes. But, when the season is lost and the starting job next season is all but yours, I think there's a little leeway allowed.

Not only that, but with Quinn's 1st-Round price tag, he's bound to get his shot next season even with a new coach/GM next season.[/quote]

I don't really fault Quinn either for trying to play through the injury as he finally got his chance to be the starting QB; I only hope that our doctors at least WARNED him that playing with the injury could of made it worse. If they never bothered to tell him that and he just found this out by his Dr. James Andrews' visit then that's horrible on our part. From what I've read Andrews' said he can either have surgery or put it in a splint for two months. Maybe it's me but when Andrews' says you need surgery.. get the surgery.

As far as Crennel/Savage I think Savage is safe but I cannot see Crennel staying on after the year is over. I truly do believe Savage has drafted good talent (players) overall but that Crennel is not getting the max effort and play out of them. I like Crennel as a person (and I believe that is what players truly mean when they say they like Romeo as well) but he is just not Head Coach material; at least not for our team. We need a hard-nosed guy that will demand effort and not give any leeway regardless of who you are.

[BrownsFan]

[quote name='Lets_Go_Joe' post='95146' date='Nov 26 2008, 01:06 AM']Well looks like Crennel may have been right about Brady's finger......

And DA is starting next week lol

But yeah, they have multiple problems, the OL isnt doing as well as they did last year, and the D is sad sometimes. Oh well, now the brown fans who all the sudden surfaced in the 10-6 year last year get to feel how the Ravens felt last year[/quote]

I completely agree there are problems that go way beyond the QB position. I was not a fan at all of HOW Quinn got put in the lineup because I do believe DA was made to be the scapegoat. However, being that Quinn was put in I fully supported him and the decision and went with it. Pulling Quinn after 2 1/2 games was the stupidest thing I think I've seen RAC do.

It'll be a long 5 games but I honestly do think we have enough talent to be good again; just need the right coach to get that out of the players.

[BrownsFan]

[quote name='Moderator 2' post='95153' date='Nov 26 2008, 02:04 AM']I had always thought Quinn was a system QB, I think I was proven wrong. If Anderson was so darn awesome after the Browns took him off the Ravens PS, why did they draft Quinn and start Frye last year? He has always been inconsistent. I really home the Browns beat the Colts this weekend.[/quote]

You know more than anybody how much of a die-hard fan I am and being that Anderson is now the starter I currently (and that may change) have no interest in even watching the game this weekend. I don't really know what happened to DA and I never thought him to be the best QB to begin with but he just looks completely lost out there on the field right now.

I'm sure that once Sunday hits I'll be at the bar like always watching the Browns play; I just hope we don't lose 30-6. Yes, I said 6.. you know how RAC loves his FGs.

[BmoreLAT52]

That sucks, I hate the browns less than the squealers and itd be nice for our division opponents to be formidable..long as we come out on top. We used to be the toughest division in the league, it might be like that next year with a healed Squealers, healed Ravens and second year Flacco..Brady Quinn and Palmer back

[JonM229]

[quote name='BmoreLAT52' post='95214' date='Nov 26 2008, 12:49 PM']That sucks, I hate the browns less than the squealers and itd be nice for our division opponents to be formidable..long as we come out on top. We used to be the toughest division in the league, it might be like that next year with a healed Squealers, healed Ravens and second year Flacco..Brady Quinn and Palmer back[/quote]
Agreed, I think that next year the AFC North will be this year's NFC East

[#1 D]

[quote name='BmoreLAT52' post='95214' date='Nov 26 2008, 12:49 PM']That sucks, I hate the browns less than the squealers and itd be nice for our division opponents to be formidable..long as we come out on top. We used to be the toughest division in the league, it might be like that next year with a healed Squealers, healed Ravens and second year Flacco..Brady Quinn and Palmer back[/quote]
true...yeah, then all the AFC north will have pro-bowl caliber quarterbacks.

[neepo13]

I think the Browns are screwed either way. Something about Quinn reminds me of Billick's favorite QB.