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[tctony]

Hey guys and gals,

Here's a good post I came across on the Baltimore Ravens subreddit.

http://www.reddit.co...oing_this_year/

Essentially, we need to take these hits now so we can afford to pay guys in 2014.

[T3hRaven]

Logical, and somewhat terrifying. We have an enormous chunk of the salary cap taken up by a small number of guys. If they don't produce our team is screwed. I hope we nail the draft cause we're going to have trouble signing guys the next couple of years, until Suggs, Ngata, and Rice are off the books.

[reediddy]

so basically, Ngata and Suggs are drastically overpaid relative to their recent production on the field, and will be even more so in 2014. Fantastic

[horus13corvineus]

so basically, Ngata and Suggs are drastically overpaid relative to their recent production on the field, and will be even more so in 2014. Fantastic

no way we're keeping the two contracts as they are now for 2014... either extend in Sizzle's case or restructure for Ngata's... anyway, another thrilling off-season to come lol

[Ravens<3]

so basically, Ngata and Suggs are drastically overpaid relative to their recent production on the field, and will be even more so in 2014. Fantastic

Well to be fair Suggs tore his achilles after coming off a DPOY season. Ngatas been fighting injuries for what it seems like forever.

Edited by Ravens<3, 13 March 2013 - 11:39 AM.

[jaege]

That sort of makes sense, except, why cut Pollard now? How do we benefit in 2014 by cutting him this season? Why not just wait until his cap hit is too high and then cut him? And Boldin was gone next season anyway, so no cap hit there.

Edited by jaege, 13 March 2013 - 11:25 AM.

[T3hRaven]

so basically, Ngata and Suggs are drastically overpaid relative to their recent production on the field, and will be even more so in 2014. Fantastic

Ngata got hot at the right time and has been hampered by injuries, but he was paid according to the market at the time. Suggs was overpaid, Ozzie was the guy in high school that ruined it for everyone, in terms of OLB contracts. Still one of my favorite players, and you can't hold last season against Suggs. He was DPOY the year before.

[ravensfan2430]

Well to be fair Suggs tore his acl after coming off a DPOy season. Ngatas been fighting injuries for what it seems like forever.

Achilles

[Corvus Amplus]

Cundiff...

Such big promise after 2010 that fell apart in 2011.

He's probably one of the worst and costliest signings in the past two years. That dead money is tough to swallow, but we lived with it last year.

Edited by Corvus Amplus, 13 March 2013 - 11:32 AM.

[Corvus Amplus]

That sort of makes sense, except, why cut Pollard now? How do we benefit in 2014 by cutting him this season? Why not just wait until his cap hit is too high and then cut him? And Boldin was gone next season anyway, so no cap hit there.

With the extra room now, I assume Ozzie wants to dumb the dead money in this year's transaction so we can sign our players or get higher quality free agents in the next couple years. For now, the only values we can get are the LB and CB free agents. WR and DL are probably sucked dried, but still plenty of underrated talents here and there.

[dirtybird10]

This is what I was thinking when looking at this Pollard cut. He would have cost 3.5 the next couple years I believe, which is a decent savings especially if we can do something with the big contracts of Ngata and Suggs.

[reediddy]

Well to be fair Suggs tore his acl after coming off a DPOy season. Ngatas been fighting injuries for what it seems like forever.

*Achilles*

And yeah I understand Ngata has been hurt for some time now, but Oz won't bank on him getting healthy, I'm expecting restructure

BTW: 4,000th post woot woot!

Edited by reediddy, 13 March 2013 - 11:38 AM.

[reediddy]

Ngata got hot at the right time and has been hampered by injuries, but he was paid according to the market at the time. Suggs was overpaid, Ozzie was the guy in high school that ruined it for everyone, in terms of OLB contracts. Still one of my favorite players, and you can't hold last season against Suggs. He was DPOY the year before.

Lol idk why but that just feels like the worst insult ever. Idk if Suggs was overpaid because he still produced a DPOY season and actually came back to contribute this year when it was believed he wouldn't be able to given his injury (now it's not that noble of a comeback, given reports that he was at fault for the injury).

[T3hRaven]

Lol idk why but that just feels like the worst insult ever. Idk if Suggs was overpaid because he still produced a DPOY season and actually came back to contribute this year when it was believed he wouldn't be able to given his injury (now it's not that noble of a comeback, given reports that he was at fault for the injury).

It's about market value. OLB contracts were significantly lower until Suggs pulled that nonsense about him putting his hand in the dirty once in a while. Ozzie caved to the pressure, and as a result hurt the cap.

[Ravens<3]

*Achilles*

Whatever you know what I mean lol. Plus the torn bicep.

Edited by Ravens<3, 13 March 2013 - 11:38 AM.

[reediddy]

Whatever you know what I mean lol. Plus the torn bicep.

Haha well I was gonna say whoa! he played through that too?! #beastmode

[jus'_crAzy]

Good post. This CBA's no joke.

[BallHawker]

Good post. This CBA's no joke.

Don't understand why the NFL doesn't just raise the salary cap with a maximum cap for each position (would probably need to be agreed upon by the NFLPA). I mean, the executives, owners, and teams make much more money than the players.

[Corvus Amplus]

It's good that we're thinking about our future cap more seriously than other teams. Some of these teams paying high dollars like Cleveland and Miami are going to suffer what the Cowboys and Jets are facing now. Salary Cap Hell and load of wasted cap space for reconstructing and releasing players.

[hawkprey]

It's good to have some players that are great even though they eat up a chunk of cap. You might look at Suggs' cap hit and say "Hey, for that cap hit we could have 3 or so very good players". But you only have so many roster spots, and many of them are under rookie contracts. If you draft well, those players are all being paid at discount relative to their worth. But if you want to replace a big Suggs-like contracts with a few smaller contracts, you have to give some of those players up because of the roster limit.

The best strategy is to get your superstars, draft well, and rotate everyone else as needed. That's what we're doing.