David Reed agrees to a 2 year, $2.5 million (max) deal

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='jaege' timestamp='1363169531' post='1392193']
Yeah, Reed has some fans alright. Doss too. For the life of me, I do not know why. Neither one has done a thing for having been in the league for multiple years. Besides get hurt. Not much of a resume. Still I see a lot of folks go on and on about how they just need that chance. But both have played numerous snaps and have not delivered. What sort of chance do they need? Its so pathetic that it is funny.

Still they are cheap and can play special teams, which is an important role.
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I can see how you and other frown at Reed, Doss and other unproven talents. However what guys like myself see the potential in them. Every guy doesn't have a proven track record. People said Kruger was a bum before last year, they said tendering Ellerbe at a 2nd rounder wasn't smart by Ozzie, now people are panicking about losing them.

You say they've had numerous snaps and not delivered. Really when and where have these guys been asked to produce? Yes the Ravens started getting Doss involved a bit more in the offense last year, but I wouldn't say he saw a lot of time for a 2nd year player. When has Reed been given his numerous snaps? Also a backup WR getting snaps isn't the same as a backup TE or RB. WRs have to be targeted to make a impact to the fans eye. However coaches watch film that show how well of a decoy the guy was, how well he pulled coverage, how well he ran routes and if he was open but the ball went else where.

Reed has had 11 opportunities to touch the ball in his 3 year career. 9 pass attempts and 2 end arounds. He has 5 catches and produced 31 yards on the 2 end arounds. That amounts to a one game total for a guy like Torrey Smith, but that is Reed's career totals and your telling me this guy has had numerous opportunities? If you're gonna shun a guy at least give the guy a legit chance to showcase what he can do.

[TheMadRaven]

[quote name='SpiderWebb21' timestamp='1363091584' post='1388396']
Oh god! I'm so glad they made a deal with David Reed!!!! I have been sweating bullets. Now, if we can lock up Considine long term, we're set!!!!
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Ahahahaha. Made my day right there.

[jaege]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1363175058' post='1392240']
I can see how you and other frown at Reed, Doss and other unproven talents. However what guys like myself see the potential in them. Every guy doesn't have a proven track record. People said Kruger was a bum before last year, they said tendering Ellerbe at a 2nd rounder wasn't smart by Ozzie, now people are panicking about losing them.

You say they've had numerous snaps and not delivered. Really when and where have these guys been asked to produce? Yes the Ravens started getting Doss involved a bit more in the offense last year, but I wouldn't say he saw a lot of time for a 2nd year player. When has Reed been given his numerous snaps? Also a backup WR getting snaps isn't the same as a backup TE or RB. WRs have to be targeted to make a impact to the fans eye. However coaches watch film that show how well of a decoy the guy was, how well he pulled coverage, how well he ran routes and if he was open but the ball went else where.

Reed has had 11 opportunities to touch the ball in his 3 year career. 9 pass attempts and 2 end arounds. He has 5 catches and produced 31 yards on the 2 end arounds. That amounts to a one game total for a guy like Torrey Smith, but that is Reed's career totals and your telling me this guy has had numerous opportunities? If you're gonna shun a guy at least give the guy a legit chance to showcase what he can do.
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He has had 11 opportunities to touch the ball, but how many snaps has he played? It is part of a WRs job to get open. If he hasn't been able to do that then that is on him. It isnt like any team had a Revis covering him.

When Torrey played against the Rams in 2011 he had less then 11 opportunities to touch the ball up to that point, and he broke away from his coverage numerous times and caught 3 TD passes. So how many chances does it take? When do we say, hey this guy just is not what we thought he was? I guess I have a lower threshold for failure than you do. Not that it matters, since the way this team is being dismantled, D.Reed and Doss may be the only players left.

[Ravensuperfan1]

seems a little much for a special teamer, especially now that we have Jacoby and Thompson.

He's fast, but he is not going to be a starting receiver.

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='jaege' timestamp='1363190563' post='1393079']



He has had 11 opportunities to touch the ball, but how many snaps has he played? It is part of a WRs job to get open. If he hasn't been able to do that then that is on him. It isnt like any team had a Revis covering him.

When Torrey played against the Rams in 2011 he had less then 11 opportunities to touch the ball up to that point, and he broke away from his coverage numerous times and caught 3 TD passes. So how many chances does it take? When do we say, hey this guy just is not what we thought he was? I guess I have a lower threshold for failure than you do. Not that it matters, since the way this team is being dismantled, D.Reed and Doss may be the only players left.
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How many snaps has he had? You act as if he has he same number of snaps as Jacoby does. Most times when Reed is one the field you or I do know if he's open or not because he's not one of the first reads. Example, on the Jones TD in the SB Boldin came open, but once the Safety bit on Q, Jacoby became Flacco's read. Does that mean Boldin didn't do a good job? On Boldin's TD, Pitta held the Safety and gave Q a open field to work the LB, do you not give Pitta credit for pulling cover?

I'm not saying any of these guy will ever replace Boldin, but they do have talent. Kevin Brynes said it best, unlike other GM's Ozzie doesn't go out and scout others. The scouts the Ravens. He watches every play of every practice over and over. While we only see games, Ozzie watch these guys daily. A guy like Kruger did next to nothing until he was given a chance to play quality snaps. You say Reed has had plenty snaps, I challenge you to point out at least 5 games in his 3yr career where you actually remember Reed playing WR.

[jaege]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1363401127' post='1399750']
How many snaps has he had? You act as if he has he same number of snaps as Jacoby does. Most times when Reed is one the field you or I do know if he's open or not because he's not one of the first reads. Example, on the Jones TD in the SB Boldin came open, but once the Safety bit on Q, Jacoby became Flacco's read. Does that mean Boldin didn't do a good job? On Boldin's TD, Pitta held the Safety and gave Q a open field to work the LB, do you not give Pitta credit for pulling cover?

I'm not saying any of these guy will ever replace Boldin, but they do have talent. Kevin Brynes said it best, unlike other GM's Ozzie doesn't go out and scout others. The scouts the Ravens. He watches every play of every practice over and over. While we only see games, Ozzie watch these guys daily. A guy like Kruger did next to nothing until he was given a chance to play quality snaps. You say Reed has had plenty snaps, I challenge you to point out at least 5 games in his 3yr career where you actually remember Reed playing WR.
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You prove my point exactly. Reed has been watched by Oz and by the coaching staff. If he isn't getting much play time as a WR, that is likely because the coaches have not seen any reason to give him that play time. Maybe Oz signed him because he is a good ST player (which he is). We know how much John likes his STs and how important STs are to winning a game.

I never said nor implied that he has had as many snaps as Jones, but he has played more than 11 snaps. How many does it take to show your stuff? What is the magic number? How many snaps is enough? I am asking you, in all sincerity. What do you think is a fair number?

Oz is very good at picking[u] potential[/u] talent, I agree, but potential does not always materialize. No one can predict if or when that may happen. It would be great if one or more of these guys actually stepped up and did anything even remotely impressive. But I am not going to count on it. If that is what we are hanging our hats on, then we are in big trouble. I am hoping that Oz has some other plan.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='jaege' timestamp='1363401919' post='1399775']
You prove my point exactly. Reed has been watched by Oz and by the coaching staff. [b]If he isn't getting much play time as a WR, that is likely because the coaches have not seen any reason to give him that play time.[/b] Maybe Oz signed him because he is a good ST player (which he is). We know how much John likes his STs and how important STs are to winning a game.

Oz is very good at picking potential talent, I agree, but potential does not always materialize. It would be great if one or more of these guys actually stepped up and actually did anything even remotely impressive. But I am not going to count on it. If that is what we are hanging our hats on, then we are in big trouble. I am hoping that Oz has some other plan.
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He didn't get any playing time because Cam never used multiple receiver sets. In 2010-2011, we were in the bottom 3rd of the league in 3+ WR sets. Remember in 2010, we had a much, much more proven WR number 3 in TJ Houshmanzadeh, a multi time pro-bowler, and he was targeted less than 4 times a game. I don't think you appreciate that even Jacoby Jones only caught 30 balls on 54 targets this whole season - 3 targets a game. The fact is in Cam' system, we rarely used multiple receiver sets, so of course your 4th and 5th receivers NEVER see the field. I'm not saying Reed is or isn't the answer, I'm saying that between him, Doss, Streeter, and Thompson, we may have 4 pro-bowlers waiting to break out or we may have 4 complete busts, but we don't know at this point because none of them have had a chance at all - 3 snaps in the 4th quarter of a meaningless game every few weeks is not enough to be judged on.

[Gordo52]

I'm actually really excited to see what his role will be in our new look offense

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='jaege' timestamp='1363401919' post='1399775']



You prove my point exactly. Reed has been watched by Oz and by the coaching staff. If he isn't getting much play time as a WR, that is likely because the coaches have not seen any reason to give him that play time. Maybe Oz signed him because he is a good ST player (which he is). We know how much John likes his STs and how important STs are to winning a game.

I never said nor implied that he has had as many snaps as Jones, but he has played more than 11 snaps. How many does it take to show your stuff? What is the magic number? How many snaps is enough? I am asking you, in all sincerity. What do you think is a fair number?

Oz is very good at picking[u] potential[/u] talent, I agree, but potential does not always materialize. No one can predict if or when that may happen. It would be great if one or more of these guys actually stepped up and did anything even remotely impressive. But I am not going to count on it. If that is what we are hanging our hats on, then we are in big trouble. I am hoping that Oz has some other plan.
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I made your point because we are both saying the same thing, but approaching it from different view points. Ozzie and the coaches have watched these guys and they know hoa they practice. Just because a guy hasn't cracked the lineup doesn't mean he's not good. Look at Kruger. The guy had 27 career tackles and 6.5 career sacks in 3 years. He basically doubled those numbers last year. In 2011, if someone said the Ravens would win the Super Bowl and Kruger would lead the team in sacks, we'd probably be having the same conversation as we are about Reed. 9 tackles and 2 sacks per year? Come on man.

I'm not sure whats a good number of snaps for a young WR to prove worthy. I think the time to develop is more important. My biggest issue with Reed is his injury problems. Because of those issues, I feel he hasn't been given a real opportunity. From what i've heard the Ravens really like Reed as a WR so it'll be interesting to see if he gets a real shot. You and others probably won't agree, but Reed is a really strong job route runner with great hands. He has the potential to be an excellent slot guy imo. But as you said potential means nothing. That's why you actually gotta get these guys on the field. My point in bringing up his 11 opportunities to touch the ball, wasn't to say that was his only snaps. But moreso to show that he made the best out of his limited chances. On offense he's touched the ball 7 times and produced 96 yards in his career. I say give him more chances.

I also agree that if we had to rely on these guys, we might be in trouble. However wwe don't. The Ravens have a top 5 QB, 2 really good RBs, potential studs in Smith and Pitta, Dickson has had 50+ catches in a season just needs to be used more, Jacoby comes up with be catches and they have a good oline. So it's not like the Ravens will be asking Reed or whoevr to take over games, they'll just be asked to make the plays that come to them.

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='Ravens<3' timestamp='1363403043' post='1399809']
I'm actually really excited to see what his role will be in our new look offense
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Don't be surprised to see him become a really good slot guy. Caldwell will definitely use multiple WR formations. Quick, shifty, strong route runner, really good hands, wide catch radius and tough. He's not Boldin but I think people will be pleasantly surprised.

[jaege]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1363409704' post='1400029']
I made your point because we are both saying the same thing, but approaching it from different view points. Ozzie and the coaches have watched these guys and they know hoa they practice. Just because a guy hasn't cracked the lineup doesn't mean he's not good. Look at Kruger. The guy had 27 career tackles and 6.5 career sacks in 3 years. He basically doubled those numbers last year. In 2011, if someone said the Ravens would win the Super Bowl and Kruger would lead the team in sacks, we'd probably be having the same conversation as we are about Reed. 9 tackles and 2 sacks per year? Come on man.

I'm not sure whats a good number of snaps for a young WR to prove worthy. I think the time to develop is more important. My biggest issue with Reed is his injury problems. Because of those issues, I feel he hasn't been given a real opportunity. From what i've heard the Ravens really like Reed as a WR so it'll be interesting to see if he gets a real shot. You and others probably won't agree, but Reed is a really strong job route runner with great hands. He has the potential to be an excellent slot guy imo. But as you said potential means nothing. That's why you actually gotta get these guys on the field. My point in bringing up his 11 opportunities to touch the ball, wasn't to say that was his only snaps. But moreso to show that he made the best out of his limited chances. On offense he's touched the ball 7 times and produced 96 yards in his career. I say give him more chances.

I also agree that if we had to rely on these guys, we might be in trouble. However wwe don't. The Ravens have a top 5 QB, 2 really good RBs, potential studs in Smith and Pitta, Dickson has had 50+ catches in a season just needs to be used more, Jacoby comes up with be catches and they have a good oline. So it's not like the Ravens will be asking Reed or whoevr to take over games, they'll just be asked to make the plays that come to them.
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Lol. And so we prove the difficulty in communicating via the internet.. We are arguing and yet agreeing at the same time. Well that was fun.

I guess my concern is that I hope Oz is not depending solely on these untried guys to completely carry the team. Some action will be fine, but without other support, well, it could be an interesting season. They may very well be able to do what needs to be done with Joe and Rice shouldering the bulk of the games. Who knows? I guess we are going to find out. You are right though. If Oz is intent on keeping them, they have to have some, as yet, unrealized talent. I do believe that Oz knows what he is doing. As annoying as the mantra may be, we must trust Oz and the FO and coaching staff. They have yet to steer us wrong.In the end I do believe that they know better than me what needs to be done.

[Tank 92]

Eh, Reed has made some plays, but he failed miserably as a returner(can you say Butta Fingers?). If he had secured the ball on the fumble at the end of the skins game last year we win. I'm not excited about his potential. I think Doss will fill any possible role Reed would play on O. Seems we've signed him to be a ST specialist. If Streeter, Thompson or a new draftee step up Reed probably does not make the squad.

Please don't let him touch the ball!

[Bazooka Joe]

Well, like Bill Cosby told his son Theo on the Cosby Show, " There are 53 players on the team. 22 that start while the others keep the bench from flying in the air while the real playersare out on the field

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1363410175' post='1400040']


Don't be surprised to see him become a really good slot guy. Caldwell will definitely use multiple WR formations. Quick, shifty, strong route runner, really good hands, wide catch radius and tough. He's not Boldin but I think people will be pleasantly surprised.
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I like the idea of bringing back Reed, and I mean both Ed & David.

David is really hated on around here, but he does have talent. People make the argument that he sucks, but in my opinion you could say Boldin was a fringe-bust trade before Caldwell took over and used him right. I see the same for David Reed.

Now people will go and say "If Reed was that good, why didn't Caldwell use him when he returned from his ACL injury?" I think that answers its own question. We seem to like to ease players back from injury for the most part. There are, of course, some exceptions.

I think David Reed has a shot to make the roster, and won't be surprised to see Thompson or Williams cut or stashed on IR to make it happen.

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='jaege' timestamp='1363434562' post='1400268']



Lol. And so we prove the difficulty in communicating via the internet.. We are arguing and yet agreeing at the same time. Well that was fun.

I guess my concern is that I hope Oz is not depending solely on these untried guys to completely carry the team. Some action will be fine, but without other support, well, it could be an interesting season. They may very well be able to do what needs to be done with Joe and Rice shouldering the bulk of the games. Who knows? I guess we are going to find out. You are right though. If Oz is intent on keeping them, they have to have some, as yet, unrealized talent. I do believe that Oz knows what he is doing. As annoying as the mantra may be, we must trust Oz and the FO and coaching staff. They have yet to steer us wrong.In the end I do believe that they know better than me what needs to be done.
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Yea, I think what will happen is that Pitta and Smith will be featured even more under Caldwell. If Cam was still the OC, I would be a bit worried right now because his offense was designed for the guys to win one on one matchups all the time, which is why the offense was stagnant often. DBs who weren't really good could cover our guysn because the offense was predictable.

However when you watch the offense under Caldwell, guys had no trouble getting open. Most teams will try to double Torrey, but Caldwell will put guys in position to make plays. It's just up to thos guys to do so. We have to remember that Dickson and Pitta had next to no experience when called to replace Heap. But they combined for 100 catches the next year. We might not have one guy ready to step up and replace Boldin, but we could get a combined effort.

Imo the Ravens did a great job of providing Flacco with security from the OC position and at WR. However when you have a QB who is top 5 he doesn't need a security blanket or a OC to call a safe game for him. Entering his 6th year Flacco is ready to take over this offense and make the talent around him better, instead of the other way around. If Flacco is the guy I feel he is he'll make guys step their game up around him.

[Latch]

love this move. i alway saw a lot of potential in him, and you gotta wonder how hungry this guy is for Seattle redemption. his ST play has been very solid and the few times he played WR he did not dissapoint (this year of course). only issue is keeping him healthy. idk if i see him as a no3 WR, but I'm sure there will be a hefty position battle for that one.

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1363439528' post='1400302']

I like the idea of bringing back Reed, and I mean both Ed &amp; David.

David is really hated on around here, but he does have talent. People make the argument that he sucks, but in my opinion you could say Boldin was a fringe-bust trade before Caldwell took over and used him right. I see the same for David Reed.

Now people will go and say "If Reed was that good, why didn't Caldwell use him when he returned from his ACL injury?" I think that answers its own question. We seem to like to ease players back from injury for the most part. There are, of course, some exceptions.

I think David Reed has a shot to make the roster, and won't be surprised to see Thompson or Williams cut or stashed on IR to make it happen.
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Yea I stopped short of making the Boldin comparison because it would have caused a big stir and this thread would have just been hijacked. We always talk about Cam holding Flacco back, but I think he held the WRs back even more. Reed had 3 pass attempts and all were 9 routes. But Caldwell used Reed to run slants, speed outs, option routes, and basically used him to his strengths.

I think what we have right now at the WR position is a battle for playing time. I wanna see who is ready to compete. Who is gonna show up at the complex to workout with Flacco? Who's gonna show up and try to build chemistry with Flacco? Who's gonna show up for all the strength and conditioning program? Who's gonna put extra work in on the juggs machine and route running? Nothing will be handed to these guys imo. Even Jones will compete for catches imo. We all say oh Doss is that guy to replace Boldin, I say hold up. Doss will have to show and prove he's worth of playing time.

If can only imagine how much film Caldwell is watching right now. I can only imagine how excited these young guys and coaches are. I actually think Williams would have to just be terrible to get cut. I think he's a solid STer and he's improved as a WR each year. I think his development was so important because injuries forced him to have limited play in college. He has so much potential ready to bust out. He has had 2 great camps imo and although his preseason last year wasn't as impressive as year one, it was still good. I could definitely see him getting a shot. DT and Streeter are wildcards to me. They had so much uncertainty and change in college that it's tough to say who they are. I like them both and it'll be fun to see who steps up in year #2. I want the season to start now. I'm really excited about these WRs. Q is my man all the way back to FSU, but it's time to put these you young guys into a position to start producing.

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='Latch' timestamp='1363444451' post='1400359']
love this move. i alway saw a lot of potential in him, and you gotta wonder how hungry this guy is for Seattle redemption. his ST play has been very solid and the few times he played WR he did not dissapoint (this year of course). only issue is keeping him healthy. idk if i see him as a no3 WR, but I'm sure there will be a hefty position battle for that one.
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That's the biggest thing. Reed who was never hurt in college I believe, but can't stay healthy now. I don't worry about his talent, but him on the field and watch him shine. I worry about his injuries.

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1363448400' post='1400409']


Yea I stopped short of making the Boldin comparison because it would have caused a big stir and this thread would have just been hijacked. We always talk about Cam holding Flacco back, but I think he held the WRs back even more. Reed had 3 pass attempts and all were 9 routes. But Caldwell used Reed to run slants, speed outs, option routes, and basically used him to his strengths.

I think what we have right now at the WR position is a battle for playing time. I wanna see who is ready to compete. Who is gonna show up at the complex to workout with Flacco? Who's gonna show up and try to build chemistry with Flacco? Who's gonna show up for all the strength and conditioning program? Who's gonna put extra work in on the juggs machine and route running? Nothing will be handed to these guys imo. Even Jones will compete for catches imo. We all say oh Doss is that guy to replace Boldin, I say hold up. Doss will have to show and prove he's worth of playing time.

If can only imagine how much film Caldwell is watching right now. I can only imagine how excited these young guys and coaches are. I actually think Williams would have to just be terrible to get cut. I think he's a solid STer and he's improved as a WR each year. I think his development was so important because injuries forced him to have limited play in college. He has so much potential ready to bust out. He has had 2 great camps imo and although his preseason last year wasn't as impressive as year one, it was still good. I could definitely see him getting a shot. DT and Streeter are wildcards to me. They had so much uncertainty and change in college that it's tough to say who they are. I like them both and it'll be fun to see who steps up in year #2. I want the season to start now. I'm really excited about these WRs. Q is my man all the way back to FSU, but it's time to put these you young guys into a position to start producing.
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We're going to have some difficult cuts to make. Some tough choices.

I really think we end up with a WR at some point in this draft. That means we'll have to dedicate at least one roster spot to that player. Smith won't go anywhere and I doubt JJ does but you really don't know. The only WRs on this team whom I doubt get cut are Smith & Doss & even Streeter. That means if we draft a guy, and I think we will, it will be 4/6. That means JJ, Reed, Thompson or Williams will be cut. At least one gets cut. One makes it. We could see some go to IR.

We have some tough choices.

[rmw10]

[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1363449640' post='1400445']
We're going to have some difficult cuts to make. Some tough choices.

I really think we end up with a WR at some point in this draft. That means we'll have to dedicate at least one roster spot to that player. Smith won't go anywhere and I doubt JJ does but you really don't know. The only WRs on this team whom I doubt get cut are Smith & Doss & even Streeter. That means if we draft a guy, and I think we will, it will be 4/6. That means JJ, Reed, Thompson or Williams will be cut. At least one gets cut. One makes it. We could see some go to IR.

We have some tough choices.
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This is pretty much how I see it, except I'm pretty sure Jacoby is guaranteed a spot. Aaron Wilson reported that the Ravens will definitely be picking up his roster bonus, whenever that's due.

So we have Torrey, Jacoby, and Doss guaranteed. I'm also expecting a draft pick so add #4 there. I don't see the Ravens having any more than 6 WRs on the roster at the beginning of the season. That leaves 2 spots for David Reed, Tommy Streeter, Deonte Thompson, and LaQuan Williams.

I'd say LaQuan is the first to go off of that list. I think David Reed will likely be the first to get a spot. That leaves Streeter and Deonte fighting for that last spot, with the loser going to IR for the year.

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='rmw10' timestamp='1363450540' post='1400471']


This is pretty much how I see it, except I'm pretty sure Jacoby is guaranteed a spot. Aaron Wilson reported that the Ravens will definitely be picking up his roster bonus, whenever that's due.

So we have Torrey, Jacoby, and Doss guaranteed. I'm also expecting a draft pick so add #4 there. I don't see the Ravens having any more than 6 WRs on the roster at the beginning of the season. That leaves 2 spots for David Reed, Tommy Streeter, Deonte Thompson, and LaQuan Williams.

I'd say LaQuan is the first to go off of that list. I think David Reed will likely be the first to get a spot. That leaves Streeter and Deonte fighting for that last spot, with the loser going to IR for the year.
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Yeah, I really think JJ stays, I just used him because he isn't guaranteed anything but it's really likely he returns. The only way I see us letting him go is if he Cundiffs training camp--you know, gets totally handled by a rookie or sophomore player.

I expect Smith, Doss, JJ, Streeter, Reed & a draft pick making this team with Thompson put on IR and Williams cut, as much as I like him. But we'll see. The best thing is we are having this conversation, wondering WHO makes the cut, not if we're good enough. Pretty nice situation to have.

Also, I think Chris Harper (I think I have his name right, hard to recall right now) the rookie WR will be drafted by us. I believe it 100%.

[rmw10]

[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1363450992' post='1400481']
Yeah, I really think JJ stays, I just used him because he isn't guaranteed anything but it's really likely he returns. The only way I see us letting him go is if he Cundiffs training camp--you know, gets totally handled by a rookie or sophomore player.

I expect Smith, Doss, JJ, Streeter, Reed & a draft pick making this team with Thompson put on IR and Williams cut, as much as I like him. But we'll see. The best thing is we are having this conversation, wondering WHO makes the cut, not if we're good enough. Pretty nice situation to have.

Also, I think Chris Harper (I think I have his name right, hard to recall right now) the rookie WR will be drafted by us. I believe it 100%.
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As weird as it may sound, it may be a good thing that Boldin is gone. Even with him no longer on the roster, there's not enough room for all of this young talent that we have.

I can actually see Harper here. He seems like an Ozzie-esque type of pick, a guy that's considered to be underrated. With that being said, I really want Keenan Allen, however unlikely that may be.

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='rmw10' timestamp='1363451327' post='1400488']


As weird as it may sound, it may be a good thing that Boldin is gone. Even with him no longer on the roster, there's not enough room for all of this young talent that we have.

I can actually see Harper here. He seems like an Ozzie-esque type of pick, a guy that's considered to be underrated. With that being said, I really want Keenan Allen, however unlikely that may be.
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From reports I have read, the Ravens really, really like Harper. I love Allen, too. He's a big favorite of mine. He could very well be a Raven. I'll be stoked if that happens. He's my favorite WR followed by Woods.

That's why I wasn't hitting the panic button when Boldin was traded.

[redlobster]

[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1363451435' post='1400489']
From reports I have read, the Ravens really, really like Harper. I love Allen, too. He's a big favorite of mine. He could very well be a Raven. I'll be stoked if that happens. He's my favorite WR followed by Woods.

That's why I wasn't hitting the panic button when Boldin was traded.
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Harper is a big strong bodied guy, actually went to the same highschool that I did and Kameron Wimbley did. Wichita,Kansas will have a few prospects in the NFL : Chris Harper, Kameron Wimbley, Bryce Brown, and Arthur Brown. I hope we land arthur and harper

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1363449640' post='1400445']

We're going to have some difficult cuts to make. Some tough choices.

I really think we end up with a WR at some point in this draft. That means we'll have to dedicate at least one roster spot to that player. Smith won't go anywhere and I doubt JJ does but you really don't know. The only WRs on this team whom I doubt get cut are Smith &amp; Doss &amp; even Streeter. That means if we draft a guy, and I think we will, it will be 4/6. That means JJ, Reed, Thompson or Williams will be cut. At least one gets cut. One makes it. We could see some go to IR.

We have some tough choices.
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I actually think the Ravens are really high on this group of WRs. The only way I see a WR drafted if someone falls. Kind of like how Streeter was projected as a 2-3 rounder but the Ravens got him late. I don't see them attacking the WR position this year. If there is a guy drafted, he wouldn't be promised anything in terms of a roster spot. So IR or PS could be a option of course.

I would agree that guys like Smith, Jones and Doss are safe. But even with that said, I think both Jones and Doss will compete for snaps. I see a WR corp full of the same guys which will heighten the competition imo. Torrey and Deonte are similar in that speedy outside guy. They both play bigger then their listed size. At least that's what I saw in limited action from DT. Tandon and LaQuan are very similar int that #2 possession type WR who can work inside or out. Jacoby and Tommy are similar in that tall lanky speedster mold. I would actually like to see one of these guys become more of a red zone target. Reed could play inside or out as well but the slot is where he'll have to make his name imo.

I actually think Caldwell will allow Flacco to run this offense much like he did at Delaware. Spread the offense out and let Joe work. I also think the Ravens will handle the WRs like Pees does on defense. He's gonna rotate these guys and find a way to implement most of these guys into the gameplan based on whatever weaknesses they see on tape from the opposing D. Also Dickson and Pitta will be implemented more which is scray.

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1363450992' post='1400481']

Yeah, I really think JJ stays, I just used him because he isn't guaranteed anything but it's really likely he returns. The only way I see us letting him go is if he Cundiffs training camp--you know, gets totally handled by a rookie or sophomore player.

I expect Smith, Doss, JJ, Streeter, Reed &amp; a draft pick making this team with Thompson put on IR and Williams cut, as much as I like him. But we'll see. The best thing is we are having this conversation, wondering WHO makes the cut, not if we're good enough. Pretty nice situation to have.

Also, I think Chris Harper (I think I have his name right, hard to recall right now) the rookie WR will be drafted by us. I believe it 100%.
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I like Harper but I think he'll go in round 3. Which is too high for the Ravens liking imo. Big physical guy that will remind man of Boldin and even though I really like him, I don't think it happens. Now if he drops to the 5th round or so, it may happen. But I think someone will snatch him in round 3.

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1363454094' post='1400547']


I like Harper but I think he'll go in round 3. Which is too high for the Ravens liking imo. Big physical guy that will remind man of Boldin and even though I really like him, I don't think it happens. Now if he drops to the 5th round or so, it may happen. But I think someone will snatch him in round 3.
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I suppose we have a different grade on him, as while I like him I see him going in the 4th round and not the 3rd. I understand we pick last in both those rounds, but I can see us trading up in the 4th to get him, perhaps sacrificing the 6th we got from Boldin to replace him.

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1363456013' post='1400585']

I suppose we have a different grade on him, as while I like him I see him going in the 4th round and not the 3rd. I understand we pick last in both those rounds, but I can see us trading up in the 4th to get him, perhaps sacrificing the 6th we got from Boldin to replace him.
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Oh I don't see him as a 3rd rounder, I actually would have him around the 5th round. I could definitely see him going 4. But it's a copycat League and I can see a team over drafting him hoping he could bring to their team what Boldin brought to the Ravens.

Having additional picks will help the Ravens and they might just trade up if he's their mid 4, but I wouldn't be surprised at all to see him go in round 3.

A couple of guys I can see the Ravens take a flier on late is Marcus Davis or Mark Harrison. Both guys are big and physical but are still raw. They are guy who might even go undrafted but could definitely develop into solid #2 WRs. Both guys will probably take 2-3 years to develop so you probably would expect too much from them early. But I do like Harper.

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1363462201' post='1400785']


Oh I don't see him as a 3rd rounder, I actually would have him around the 5th round. I could definitely see him going 4. But it's a copycat League and I can see a team over drafting him hoping he could bring to their team what Boldin brought to the Ravens.

Having additional picks will help the Ravens and they might just trade up if he's their mid 4, but I wouldn't be surprised at all to see him go in round 3.

A couple of guys I can see the Ravens take a flier on late is Marcus Davis or Mark Harrison. Both guys are big and physical but are still raw. They are guy who might even go undrafted but could definitely develop into solid #2 WRs. Both guys will probably take 2-3 years to develop so you probably would expect too much from them early. But I do like Harper.
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Very soon I will be posting a new mock offseason. I'd really like you to check it out and tell me what you think. Watch the draft forum in the coming two weeks.

[rmw10]

[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1363462315' post='1400790']
Very soon I will be posting a new mock offseason. I'd really like you to check it out and tell me what you think. Watch the draft forum in the coming two weeks.
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I'm looking forward to that. I feel like you're one of the posters here that has views most in line with mine.