The City of San Francisco's reaction to the Boldin trade

[runamuk]

[quote name='bauer77' timestamp='1363050156' post='1387416']
Aaron Wilson of the Baltimore Sun broke the news of Boldin getting traded.
[/quote]i saw it first on pft i even called them gossip mongers because i figured it was nonesense. an hour later the sun reported it .

[GrimCoconut]

I would've liked to get a 5th for Boldin, but I get it. See, while Boldin was awesome, this is something a lot of us are not getting:

Boldin's old, not getting separation, has good hands, runes nice routes, good run blocker, makes 6M this year, only one year left (one-year rental), and the reports came out that he was being cut.

I think we could have received a 5th at most for him, but those talks of getting cut destroyed his value. Crippled it.

If Boldin had more years on his deal, maybe another year or two, or he wasn't 33 or turning it soon, if he could get separation, we probably could have received better compensation. Problem is, none of that is true. If it was, he would still be wearing these colors.

[runamuk]

[quote name='Mr. Irrelevant' timestamp='1363050137' post='1387415']
So wait, while we are getting younger, they are getting older?

Yeah, you may win the offseason. You aint going to win the SB.


I am just waiting for Colin Kap to say "dream team"
[/quote]if they had another qb maybe........he's fast he can make good throws he can run but my gut says this ends up bad for them . i think having vernon davis makes him better now boldin . i think we meet the seahawks in the superbowl next year and win of course

[DMH_in_WA]

It is going to be interesting to see how they use him. kaepernick does not have the ability to throw the touch passes that Q needs since he rarely gets seperation. CK throws ropes. that's not going to cut it. He also has yet to show me that he can consistently get past his first read nor have I seen him anticipate/throw receivers open.

If he doesn't progress quite a bit, I don't see Q having anywhere near the impact with the 49ers as he did in the playoffs. Now, if he was going to Green Bay or New England or New Orleans, etc ... then I could see it.

[runamuk]

[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1363050446' post='1387436']
I would've liked to get a 5th for Boldin, but I get it. See, while Boldin was awesome, this is something a lot of us are not getting:

Boldin's old, not getting separation, has good hands, runes nice routes, good run blocker, makes 6M this year, only one year left (one-year rental), and the reports came out that he was being cut.

I think we could have received a 5th at most for him, but those talks of getting cut destroyed his value. Crippled it.

If Boldin had more years on his deal, maybe another year or two, or he wasn't 33 or turning it soon, if he could get separation, we probably could have received better compensation. Problem is, none of that is true. If it was, he would still be wearing these colors.
[/quote]i think emotion is playing a big part in the reaction myself included .it has taken me two years to admit ed reed has lost a step and now him possibly in a 49er uniform sucks worse then boldin

[BMORElegacy]

[quote name='DMH_in_WA' timestamp='1363050710' post='1387451']
It is going to be interesting to see how they use him. kaepernick does not have the ability to throw the touch passes that Q needs since he rarely gets seperation. CK throws ropes. that's not going to cut it. He also has yet to show me that he can consistently get past his first read nor have I seen him anticipate/throw receivers open.

If he doesn't progress quite a bit, I don't see Q having anywhere near the impact with the 49ers as he did in the playoffs. Now, if he was going to Green Bay or New England or New Orleans, etc ... then I could see it.
[/quote]And think who they face twice a year. That Seattle secondary is scary. They're huge, fast, and physical. I don't see Boldin making an impact against those thumpers.

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='runamuk' timestamp='1363050768' post='1387456']
i think emotion is playing a big part in the reaction myself included .it has taken me two years to admit ed reed has lost a step and now him possibly in a 49er uniform sucks worse then boldin
[/quote]
Definitely. Now, I will be mad if Ed Reed leaves. Love him. One of my favorite Ravens. I won't call it the end, even if he goes to NE. I will really miss him and probably be sour about it. Won't lie. But, I know it's a possibility and it makes it easier for me.

I do think Reed returns, though. Just a hunch. My hunches have been right, though. Losing to the Eagles, sweeping the play-offs, winning the Super Bowl, trading out of the 2012 1st round with Minnesota (I mentioned them in a mock last year, I expected a QB, though).

[Bltravens]

[quote name='Mr. Irrelevant' timestamp='1363048557' post='1387313']
News flash.
Ozzie doesn't cut picks, and he usually is at his best in the bottom of the draft. Often will find solid players. Which is what great teams revolve around..

Boldin is a rental. Cannot get seperation from CBs. There is no burner in SF to mask it either.

He is a weapon, but a short term one.

Seattle is going to eat that team up like a dog with a bone. If I were them, I wouldn't be looking for another WR, rather another CB
[/quote]
Actually Ozzie does. He's just been pretty good the last 3 drafts. He cut Peerman the same year he was drafted and had Davon Drew rot on the PS for 2.5 years. Thats just off the top of my head. Alot of teams in the NFL have late round picks who are out of the league in a single year.

What are the 49ers giving up for Boldin for a year or two? A special teams player? Maybe a rotational guy at best? If I'm a 49er fan I'd be damn happy right now. They just picked up a clutch WR who won't be their #1, but a good #2.

[K-Dog]

If he doesnt retire this is a W for SF
Are we REALLY going to pick some one as good as Bildin in the sixth ?
Nope.
I think the cost of this cap space was a bit excessive.

[runamuk]

[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1363051100' post='1387474']
Definitely. Now, I will be mad if Ed Reed leaves. Love him. One of my favorite Ravens. I won't call it the end, even if he goes to NE. I will really miss him and probably be sour about it. Won't lie. But, I know it's a possibility and it makes it easier for me.

I do think Reed returns, though. Just a hunch. My hunches have been right, though. Losing to the Eagles, sweeping the play-offs, winning the Super Bowl, trading out of the 2012 1st round with Minnesota (I mentioned them in a mock last year, I expected a QB, though).
[/quote]reed is my favorite player and he just signed my jersey at the parade this year but anyway .i hope he comes back not only out of pure emotion but from a leadership pov. for the locker room . i thought we would draft a qb last year too ..i predicted a superbowl win but i thought packers and ravens i was off

[DMH_in_WA]

[quote name='K-Dog' timestamp='1363051183' post='1387483']
If he doesnt retire this is a W for SF
Are we REALLY going to pick some one as good as Bildin in the sixth ?
Nope.
I think the cost of this cap space was a bit excessive.
[/quote]

I don't think the 6th round pick is about replacing Q as much as it's the money off the cap that they can now use to get other pieces. I think that's the key here .... the amount of cap room this opens.

[ravensfan2424]

I feel they could have gotten at LEAST a 4th for Boldin, but this isn't bad for both teams IF the Ravens can get an effective WR as a replacement. The Ravens will get another $6 million in cap space and will be able to have a better chance at signing good players, but they lose their consistent go-to guy. San Fran will get a quality receiver to help Kap along, but have to pay his $6 million and hope he doesn't retire soon. I think in the long run, the added cap space is the biggest win for the Ravens

NOTE: Does Anyone know currently what our Cap number is now that Flacco is signed and Boldin is gone?

[DMH_in_WA]

What I do find interesting in all this is, once again we find out that what athletes say is pretty much all talk. I've got nothing but love for Q, but the whole thing about "It's not about money" and "I'll retire first" kind of says it all. In the end, it's all about the money. Again, I don't begrudge anyone sticking to their guns and going for what they think they deserve. Just wish they weren't so predicatable in the "it's not about the money" stuff.

The more I think about this, I think this was the right move for the Ravens. If Q wasn't going to take a pay cut, then they at least got something for him instead of nothing. They also used the trade to make sure he wasn't in the AFC and they picked up another draft pick. All around, I think it's a good move. Especially when we have so many pieces not in place right now.

[mg90]

I feel like this is good for both teams, and I could care less if the 49ers are a little better from this. We'll see them in the super bowl if at all in the playoffs, after all.

They had a ton of picks so having 1 less is nothing to them. And while I wish Q didn't have to go, the cap space is nice. It makes perfect sense on both sides.

[Engine20]

As far as I can see we've drafted 1 impact player in the 5th rd or later in our teams history (adalius)... Verdict is still out on recent picks like McPhee and Streeter both I like but yet to be called solid. I like getting something for someone we're gonna cut anyway but seriously a 6th is not much the only help that gives is an extra pick for a trade up...seriously look up the history I was blown away by the lack of talent drafted in the later rounds..

I guess I just disagree with the move



[quote name='Mr. Irrelevant' timestamp='1363048557' post='1387313']

News flash.
Ozzie doesn't cut picks, and he usually is at his best in the bottom of the draft. Often will find solid players. Which is what great teams revolve around..

Boldin is a rental. Cannot get seperation from CBs. There is no burner in SF to mask it either.

He is a weapon, but a short term one.

Seattle is going to eat that team up like a dog with a bone. If I were them, I wouldn't be looking for another WR, rather another CB
[/quote]

[Latch]

pfft. only way they 'lose' the trade is if Q decides to hang it up once he gets back from Africa. hopefully, he'll pop back so he can retire in purple. even if he does retire, it was just a 6th round pick. they had like 15 picks. they'll be fine.

[Gordo52]

They basically signed Boldin to a 1 year 6 million $ contract. ---which I think he's worth.

You're delusional if you believe the 49ers lost this trade.

He wouldn't be talked about as a "old, slow WR who can't get separation" if he was still in purple. No. He would be talked about as a slot WR who is finally being played the right way, who is our highest paid QB's favorite, sure handed, 3rd down target. ..... Who is also slightly too expensive for us. Don't pretend Boldin can't still ball all of a sudden just because he's not with us anymore.

[terp4life30]

Niners have so many pics and cap space by trading Smith that this is a great deal for them. This reminds me of Brian Dawkins leaving Philly for 2M dollars, basically the same amount the Ravens arent willing to pay. Hope he does well, he is one player you can root for regardless of what team they are on.

[hawkprey]

[quote name='Engine20' timestamp='1363052772' post='1387567']
As far as I can see we've drafted 1 impact player in the 5th rd or later in our teams history (adalius)... Verdict is still out on recent picks like McPhee and Streeter both I like but yet to be called solid. I like getting something for someone we're gonna cut anyway but seriously a 6th is not much the only help that gives is an extra pick for a trade up...seriously look up the history I was blown away by the lack of talent drafted in the later rounds..

I guess I just disagree with the move
[/quote] There was a period when we weren't very good at drafting. But we've also drafted Sam Koch and Art Jones with late round picks. Using the pick to trade up can be valuable, because it allowed us to take Pierce last year. It may be worth noting that every late round player we've taken since 2010 is still on the roster.

[H8R]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1363047600' post='1387254']
They lost the trade? Cute. Not even close to true!
[/quote]

Only one way to tell... If someone on the Ravens roster can replace Q's productivity, the Ravens could get younger, pay much less AND pick up a 6th.. If that happens .... The Ravens win.

I wouldn't be surprised if Pitta is more of a slot guy and Joes go to.

[flynismo]

[quote name='Mr. Irrelevant' timestamp='1363049062' post='1387347']
You cannot say that they won that either.
[/quote]

Yeah you can. It's Anquan Boldin. I guarantee we dont draft the next Boldin with the 6th we got from them.

[flynismo]

[quote name='H8R' timestamp='1363055801' post='1387749']
Only one way to tell... If someone on the Ravens roster can replace Q's productivity, the Ravens could get younger, pay much less AND pick up a 6th.. If that happens .... The Ravens win.
[/quote]

Okay, so LaQuan takes Boldin's spot and is younger, much cheaper, and we have a 6th now. We win!!

[Bltravens]

[quote name='H8R' timestamp='1363055801' post='1387749']
Only one way to tell... If someone on the Ravens roster can replace Q's productivity, the Ravens could get younger, pay much less AND pick up a 6th.. If that happens .... The Ravens win.

I wouldn't be surprised if Pitta is more of a slot guy and Joes go to.
[/quote]
If we get rid of Leach at some point I'd say the idea must be to go to an ace singleback as the base offense. Though I don't think very highly about Rice running in traditional sets without a lead blocker.

Unless we're just going to straight up become the old Colts offense and run everything out of the gun.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1363056045' post='1387763']
Okay, so [u][b]LaQuan[/b][/u] takes Boldin's spot and is younger, much cheaper, and we have a 6th now. We win!!
[/quote]
The fake Quan....how upsetting lol

[SecretAgentMan]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1363056045' post='1387763']


Okay, so LaQuan takes Boldin's spot and is younger, much cheaper, and we have a 6th now. We win!!
[/quote]
It's base off of what we do in FA with the leftover money. We could go out there and pay 6 mil a year to a player that deserves it (Some fans have thrown the Name Jake Long around if we don't retain Reed, which is highly unlikely).

The trade is Boldin for Cap room and a 6th rounder, and Ozzie usually finds solid contributors there.

If we (magically) get a great player to fill the void Boldin left (LT, DT, hell some want Salsa dancer), then we win

[Ravenseconbeast]

Our FO weren't going to budge on their plans that were already set.

It was either we release Boldin or Trade him to a safe place where both sides can get something positive out of it.

[flynismo]

[quote name='Mr. Irrelevant' timestamp='1363056237' post='1387778']
It's base off of what we do in FA with the leftover money. We could go out there and pay 6 mil a year to a player that deserves it
[/quote]

Cmon man, if Anquan doesn't deserve $6M, nobody does. I guarantee you we do not find a better WR at that price. Just like Slsa or Long wont be here for a paltry $6-7M

[jdynamite]

[quote name='Bazooka Joe' timestamp='1363048190' post='1387289']
Thank goodness we play no pistol QBs this year. Plus, guys like Kaep and Wilson may fizzle. Remember how great Can Newton looked before disappearing
[/quote]

When did he disappear exactly. The panthers lost 5 or 6 games in close 4th qtr situations by less than a touchdown. Some of the loses the Offense scored and their defense gave up TD to lose. They finished the season winning 5 out of the last 6 games.
Not to mention they really asked to much of him, they had 3 capable running backs but barely ever ran 20 times between the 3. Only have Steve Smith to pass too. Just saying....

[SecretAgentMan]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1363056442' post='1387789']


Cmon man, if Anquan doesn't deserve $6M, nobody does. I guarantee you we do not find a better WR at that price. Just like Slsa or Long wont be here for a paltry $6-7M
[/quote]
The situation also involved them not retaining Reed, basically allowing us to sign virtually whoever the hell we want....


It's not like Q was in his prime (Im upset, but I'd be REALLY upset). Ozzie will prob take a great WR in the draft while the 9ers will use Boldins rental poorly and miss the SM entirely. We do have a WR that humiliated Champ Bailey on National TV still

[AsianRice]

Well, I said it before; if Q ever leaves us, I wish him the best and thank him for 3 great years with us, especially for his dominating playoff performance. I'll be sad till the draft.