In Ozzie We Trust (The Ravens Free Agency Thread)

[Guest RBates]

Letting go of Anquan for a Qb that clearly needs the help to be productive is crazy.  Colin is Ballin because of Boldin. 

[Brandon22]

Marvin Austin is availible he could be another marvelous addition and adds depth another player we could use

[rmw10]

Marvin Austin is availible he could be another marvelous addition and adds depth another player we could use

 

DLine is the last thing we need right now.

[Brandon22]

DLine is the last thing we need right now.

I know but you ccan never have enough Lineman what if Ngata and Williams go down like Pitta it is just Padded Insurance to be on the safe side

[rmw10]

I know but you ccan never have enough Lineman what if Ngata and Williams go down like Pitta it is just Padded Insurance to be on the safe side

 

We have Canty, Spears, Jones, Cody, and Tyson.  Absolutely no reason to spend money on a guy we don't need.

[Brandon22]

We have Canty, Spears, Jones, Cody, and Tyson.  Absolutely no reason to spend money on a guy we don't need.

there is always room for improvement thats all

[The Raven]

there is always room for improvement thats all

 

There's no need to improve the line right now. Not to mention, Marvin would hardly be an improvement. 

[redrum52]

Without reading recent posts I'll assume people are down on Ozzie. His goal was to uorade the defense and I feel he's done that. One game isn't the end all be all. Next draft the offense will most likely be addressed, with injuries to the team, I still think they stay competitive and make playoffs. It's time that we finally let young guys play instead of keeping them on the roster just for ST. Growing pains were expected, deal with it, he did just bring a championship.

[redlobster]

Letting go of Anquan for a Qb that clearly needs the help to be productive is crazy.  Colin is Ballin because of Boldin. 

Colin also got the benefit of sitting behind probably the best offensive line in football, with a top 10 RB in Gore and a very good TE in Davis to go along with Boldin

[frozen joe flacco fan]

Letting go of Q was a bonehead play --- period! Whoever made the decision is no Wizard!! Of course, hindsight is 20-20 but Boldin's ability to catch the ball in a crowd was highlighted again on Sunday. Forrest Gump said it best, "stupid is as stupid does and letting our Go To receiver go was stupid." That being said, The so-called "Wizard of Oz" didn't really have much choice. Our defense was decimated by the departure of Lewis, Reed, Pollard, Ellerbe, Williams and Kruger, not to mention Ayenbadejo. My gut feeling is that if Q had wanted to stay he could have. I would be surprised if Dennis Pitta is ever the same after his hip injury. We need to forget about long-term projects like Tandon Doss and find someone out there who can come in and help the team right now. Unfortunately, that person is not currently on the roster. Having Jacoby Jones back to return punts was another bonehead play. Last year, he was not our #2 WR. The special teams looked terrible the other night in Denver. Since Coach Harbaugh was a Special Teams Coach in Philly, I would expect him to look for ways to improve the ST unit before we have another disastrous outing. He could begin by firing the young man who tackled Jacoby Jones.

[Sami84]

pollard ellerbe and williams were legit losses. if we had those 3 ..im tired of ppl knocking these guys...they werent perfect but they were impactful and slightly better thrn what we have in their psitions.

 

kruger i couldnt give a shit about. letting go f pollard was stupid.. he played with 6 broken ribs for most of he year.

[Guest RBates]

Colin also got the benefit of sitting behind probably the best offensive line in football, with a top 10 RB in Gore and a very good TE in Davis to go along with Boldin

Don't start arguing for Joe.  He had all of those things last year and never looked as crisp as Kap did against Green Bay. 

[beanfigger]

Don't start arguing for Joe.  He had all of those things last year and never looked as crisp as Kap did against Green Bay. 

 

Never?  And when did he sit behind the best line in football and have a TE like Vernon Davis?

[Poes Crows]

Letting go of Q was a bonehead play --- period! Whoever made the decision is no Wizard!! Of course, hindsight is 20-20 but Boldin's ability to catch the ball in a crowd was highlighted again on Sunday. Forrest Gump said it best, "stupid is as stupid does and letting our Go To receiver go was stupid." That being said, The so-called "Wizard of Oz" didn't really have much choice. Our defense was decimated by the departure of Lewis, Reed, Pollard, Ellerbe, Williams and Kruger, not to mention Ayenbadejo. My gut feeling is that if Q had wanted to stay he could have. I would be surprised if Dennis Pitta is ever the same after his hip injury. We need to forget about long-term projects like Tandon Doss and find someone out there who can come in and help the team right now. Unfortunately, that person is not currently on the roster. Having Jacoby Jones back to return punts was another bonehead play. Last year, he was not our #2 WR. The special teams looked terrible the other night in Denver. Since Coach Harbaugh was a Special Teams Coach in Philly, I would expect him to look for ways to improve the ST unit before we have another disastrous outing. He could begin by firing the young man who tackled Jacoby Jones.

 

Hey!

 

You can't do that.

 

You can't "Ride the Fence".

 

You can't say it was Stupid as Stupid Gets and then say "He had restricted options."

 

Hold your ground. These are Man Moments. Boldin was valuable or he was not. Don't be a shape shifter. If you come down on the side that releasing Boldin was a momumental Bonehead Play, stick with your acumen and insight to its logical conclusion.  Speak truth to power and demand that in the face of such malfeasance that power be relinquished.

 

Let it be so

[Poes Crows]

pollard ellerbe and williams were legit losses. if we had those 3 ..im tired of ppl knocking these guys...they werent perfect but they were impactful and slightly better thrn what we have in their psitions.

 

kruger i couldnt give a [profanity deleted] about. letting go f pollard was stupid.. he played with 6 broken ribs for most of he year.

 

I'll never understand cutting Pollard. Especially in considering of the Front Office program to remove Ed Reed and the failure to resign Williams.  It's just not rationally explainable.

 

It has to come down to personalities and a belief by the Front Office that they are what matters and that they can do no wrong.

[Brandon22]

We need a TE bad can we go ahead and sign Jake Ballard he would be an upgrade right now at the position

[Guest RBates]

Never?  And when did he sit behind the best line in football and have a TE like Vernon Davis?

Pitta by the numbers, played better than Vernon.  Not to mention they don't have a Torrey smith or a Ray Rice.  

 

See how we are the more talented offense?

[beanfigger]

Pitta by the numbers, played better than Vernon.  Not to mention they don't have a Torrey smith or a Ray Rice.  

 

See how we are the more talented offense?

 

I like our offense, but you stating that Pitta "by the numbers" is better than Davis is very selective in terms of what numbers you use.  Yes, he had slightly higher stats last season, so that automatically makes him a better TE than Vernon?  That's clearly what you're stating, right?  You also said Flacco also had the luxury of the O-line the 49ers have.  I never made any argument against Ray Rice.  I just think it's a little short-sited to claim Flacco clearly had it better than Kaepernick and "never" looked as good as Kaepernick did on Sunday.  Mentioning all those weapons also means Joe could spread it around more.  If you think we have the better offense than the 49ers, it is because of Flacco.

 

I guess it's must be obvious to everyone that Kaepernick is a better QB than Flacco because Boldin had ONE great game with him.  It's also very obvious that Boldin wouldn't have had several big games with Flacco this year had he stayed.  I mean, we were clearly phasing him out during the playoffs.  Give it a rest.

[codizzle]

Pitta by the numbers, played better than Vernon. Not to mention they don't have a Torrey smith or a Ray Rice.

See how we are the more talented offense?

Frank Gore is a beast and I see you didn't go after the O-line part

[NaveSenrag]

Frank Gore is a beast and I see you didn't go after the O-line part

Gore is good, but h was the 49ers only threat for so long that he's losing his touch.

[codizzle]

Gore is good, but h was the 49ers only threat for so long that he's losing his touch.

He had a great year last year....

[flynismo]

Don't start arguing for Joe. He had all of those things last year and never looked as crisp as Kap did against Green Bay.

Yep, and he has the Lombardi and SB mvp to prove it.

Oh wait...

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

Don't start arguing for Joe.  He had all of those things last year and never looked as crisp as Kap did against Green Bay. 

 

Umm never?... did you watch the playoffs last year?

[ellicottraven]

The fact of the matter is this: We will have a full accounting of whether the changes made by the front office were good, bad or indifferent at the end of the season. We will know how our acquisitions have performed relative to our dispositions. To do that after one game is a bad idea.

 

Let us wait and see how our newbies perform. The fact that Boldin had an amazing game doesn't mean we should have kept him. We made the best and most informed decisions based on what we thought we must do to keep the flame going. That was Bisciotti's mandate. Keep the team competitive at all costs. Now, had we kept all the players that we lost (unlikely nayway given the salary cap), we may have imploded next season or the season after that under the weight of our own salary cap blunders ( Steelers anyone?).

 

So my contention is it is too soon to lambast or even second guess anybody and understand that hind sight it always 20-20!

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

Doesn't anyone remember when the Miami Heat first acquired Lebron and Bosh? They weren't very good early on in that first season - because that hadn't learned to play together yet.

 

Give it some time, those of you on the edge. The 1st half against Denver was a much more accurate representation of what our team will be. The 2nd half WAS an anomaly. 7 plays were the difference in the game, and accounted for 66% of their offense. Let me reiterate that... 10% of Peyton's throws account for 66% of his production!

 

In contrast, 90% of his throws only accounted for 33%. But that's Peyton, you can shut him down 90% of the time, but if you make mistakes on 7 plays he will KILL YOU. and he did what he does to a brand new defense with way too many new pieces to be flawless in game 1 together.

 

Give our guys time, the time that even guys like Lebron, Wade, and Bosh needed. It took those 3 almost an entire season to figure it out... but according to a lot of the opinions on this board, the Heat's FO should have been fired and abandoned ship after their first couple games. SMH - how dumb would that opinion look now.

 

If you feel the same way after week 6 I'll concede, but we are the team from the first half not the 2nd.

[Guest RBates]

Frank Gore is a beast and I see you didn't go after the O-line part

No need to go on the O-line.  They both do their jobs.  It wasn't like Flacco was sacked a lot of times during his playoff run.  Not even in the bowl when he played against the best defense in football. No need to make excuses they are both on very similar teams. Frank gore gets winded after any run over 20 yards.  Ray Rice is way better.  Frank Gore is like Pierce in my book . 

[Guest RBates]

I like our offense, but you stating that Pitta "by the numbers" is better than Davis is very selective in terms of what numbers you use.  Yes, he had slightly higher stats last season, so that automatically makes him a better TE than Vernon?  That's clearly what you're stating, right?  You also said Flacco also had the luxury of the O-line the 49ers have.  I never made any argument against Ray Rice.  I just think it's a little short-sited to claim Flacco clearly had it better than Kaepernick and "never" looked as good as Kaepernick did on Sunday.  Mentioning all those weapons also means Joe could spread it around more.  If you think we have the better offense than the 49ers, it is because of Flacco.

 

I guess it's must be obvious to everyone that Kaepernick is a better QB than Flacco because Boldin had ONE great game with him.  It's also very obvious that Boldin wouldn't have had several big games with Flacco this year had he stayed.  I mean, we were clearly phasing him out during the playoffs.  Give it a rest.

Vernon has a higher ceiling because his skill set is better.  Put that in a nutshell.  Pitta still outperformed the man last year.  Better is as better does.  One great game for Boldin is the only game played and it's not like he has a receiver opposite him that makes plays like Torrey.  Kap is a beast.  Only time will tell which is better.  

[Guest RBates]

Yep, and he has the Lombardi and SB mvp to prove it.

Oh wait...

BOOOOO

[Guest RBates]

Umm never?... did you watch the playoffs last year?

Yeah you?  They both made it to the big dance and they both performed well along the way.  One of them in year two and one in year 5.....

 

Thats it.  Ozzie was slippin  for letting Q go.  At least keep Joe with great targets.  Now he looks like any QB in the league that throws the ball 62 times for under 400. 

[codizzle]

No need to go on the O-line. They both do their jobs. It wasn't like Flacco was sacked a lot of times during his playoff run. Not even in the bowl when he played against the best defense in football. No need to make excuses they are both on very similar teams. Frank gore gets winded after any run over 20 yards. Ray Rice is way better. Frank Gore is like Pierce in my book .

As a RB, I'd take gore but with rice's open field/receiving ability he takes the overall edge

You're not giving Gore enough credit