In Ozzie We Trust (The Ravens Free Agency Thread)

[KillaBirdTJ]

Regardless of what happens with the passing game this year, in no conceivable scenario is a receiver with one year left on his contract worth more to the team than a pro bowl running back in his prime. Your premise is fundamentally flawed. Continuing to beat the dead horse while hiding behind third person rhetoric does not change that.

 

While trading RR is absolutely ridiculous, we need to find at least two more receivers. Perhaps one through a trade... I would love to see Kenny Britt in Black & Purple for maybe a 3rd...

[Guest Mr. Nobody]

While trading RR is absolutely ridiculous, we need to find at least two more receivers. Perhaps one through a trade... I would love to see Kenny Britt in Black & Purple for maybe a 3rd...

a 3rd for a WR almost always injured? no way! Britt's still to play a full season since 2009

[KillaBirdTJ]

a 3rd for a WR almost always injured? no way! Britt's still to play a full season since 2009

 

This is true. He just reminds me of a younger and faster version of Boldin tbh... I know he smoked us last time we played the Titans Lol... If we were to make a trade for a WR, WHO would you want OZ to go after??? Nicks?

[Guest Mr. Nobody]

This is true. He just reminds me of a younger and faster version of Boldin tbh... I know he smoked us last time we played the Titans Lol... If we were to make a trade for a WR, WHO would you want OZ to go after??? Nicks?

a few of us around here would like us to get Washington, who might even get cut with the backload at WR that the Titans have' a 7th going on a conditional 6th could do it (we could pack a defensive player that might not make our roster in the trade too)

[rmw10]

a few of us around here would like us to get Washington, who might even get cut with the backload at WR that the Titans have' a 7th going on a conditional 6th could do it (we could pack a defensive player that might not make our roster in the trade too)

 

I do like Washington, but he has a $5.1M cap hit this year.  We definitely couldn't trade for him, but if he's cut, I'd pounce.

[Guest Mr. Nobody]

I do like Washington, but he has a $5.1M cap hit this year.  We definitely couldn't trade for him, but if he's cut, I'd pounce.

didn't know his cap hit, so yeah that trade won't happen lol; and he's not going through waivers for us to have a sniff at him so yeah not getting him lol

[rmw10]

didn't know his cap hit, so yeah that trade won't happen lol; and he's not going through waivers for us to have a sniff at him so yeah not getting him lol

 

Yeah I'm not seeing much out there that's an upgrade and cheap enough to fit within the cap.  I think what we have now is what we're going to roll with.  

[Guest Mr. Nobody]

Yeah I'm not seeing much out there that's an upgrade and cheap enough to fit within the cap.  I think what we have now is what we're going to roll with.  

i'd still have a look at Robinson... he's been cleared to play and would sign a contract to absolve us from the contract if he'd be to get another concusion

[rmw10]

i'd still have a look at Robinson... he's been cleared to play and would sign a contract to absolve us from the contract if he'd be to get another concusion

 

Robinson's 2011 season seems like an aberration to me.  I don't foresee him putting up numbers anywhere close to that again.  If he falls more in line with his career numbers, I don't see any reason how one of our guys can't match that.  I also find it very concerning that he's visited probably 10 teams at this point and not one has made an offer.

[beanfigger]

My only question is deciding to keep Jacoby over Q. Jones would have given us like 4M if we released him, but I guess he is too valuable as a RS. If he doesn't actually return kicks this year then I will be Pissed.

 

I guess saving $6mil and getting a pick was worth more than $4mil and no pick.  I don't know if we would have been able to trade Jacoby, and certainly not before his $4mil savings became only $3mil after his roster bonus kicked in.  I would certainly rather have Boldin on our offense than Jacoby, but I think with his All Pro return abilities I think it's a lot closer.  The extra money and the pick we got in the trade made the difference.  Don't think I'm trying to argue with you over who's more important because I doubt we disagree on that too much.  I was just offering an explanation.  Had Boldin accepted the $2mil pay cut, we may well have cut Jacoby and saved $6mil anyway.  Him refusing to, which I don't blame him for, probably saved Jacoby's job with us.

[KillaBirdTJ]

Somebody is bound to have a receiver they'd trade... How about we send that 3rd to the 49ers for Boldin?  :268213:

Ha! I'd love it but his cap is way too high to fit unless we cut some folks... Cough Reed & Cough Doss

[GrimCoconut]

My only question is deciding to keep Jacoby over Q. Jones would have given us like 4M if we released him, but I guess he is too valuable as a RS. If he doesn't actually return kicks this year then I will be Pissed.

Yeah, I think I feel the same way. It's 4M because we had to pay Jacoby a 1M bonus, right? I think he had a 3M Base and then in May or something he got a 1M bonus for being on the roster, correct? I forget. Just going off of my memory here. I like David Reed as a RS and Asa Jackson even dating back to last year when we drafted him. I guess his elite ST ability was enough to keep him over Boldin. 

[HoldingCall]

I think the way you need to look at is what type of defense would we have if we hadn't made that trade. With all the losses we sustained from last years defense chances are very good we are nowhere the 17th ranking we enjoyed last year (25th or worse?) You don't win many games with a defense like that unless you have a very explosive team. And even with Boldin and Pitta in there we weren't that explosive of a team to offset the shortcomings that a bad defense like that would have given us.

I plan to steer clear of this board if the wins don't come and fans blame it on the WR position. I am not confused on how to look at the team. It is what it is! I actually expect to see a slight step back from last season, not because the players are not as good but because they have less time together as a unit than last year's crew. However, if the team end with a better record then it is all good, but I am not placing as high of expectation for this season.

[HoldingCall]

Yeah, I think I feel the same way. It's 4M because we had to pay Jacoby a 1M bonus, right? I think he had a 3M Base and then in May or something he got a 1M bonus for being on the roster, correct? I forget. Just going off of my memory here. I like David Reed as a RS and Asa Jackson even dating back to last year when we drafted him. I guess his elite ST ability was enough to keep him over Boldin.

I believe Jacoby will remain the primary return specialist. The team just needs another so Webb doesn't have to do it on occasion. That's where Reed, Jackson or Rainey comes in.

[HoldingCall]

I just have to imagine we have a better chance at getting those wins after the trade. If we don't get a bunch of wins, I think we will still end up with more than we would have without it.

I am strictly referring to fans and what to imagine you will read here if it came to that. It was my imaginary moment.

[5aiah]

I plan to steer clear of this board if the wins don't come and fans blame it on the WR position. I am not confused on how to look at the team. It is what it is! I actually expect to see a slight step back from last season, not because the players are not as good but because they have less time together as a unit than last year's crew. However, if the team end with a better record then it is all good, but I am not placing as high of expectation for this season.

I'll be fine, I don't expect the world from the passing game. I expect them to get it done when we need big plays and first downs but our season rests on the defense and run game returning to elite as well as Jacoby and Tucker getting us those special teams points. 

[caljoe2]

I plan to steer clear of this board if the wins don't come and fans blame it on the WR position. I am not confused on how to look at the team. It is what it is! I actually expect to see a slight step back from last season, not because the players are not as good but because they have less time together as a unit than last year's crew. However, if the team end with a better record then it is all good, but I am not placing as high of expectation for this season.

I am thinking we won't really know what we have until we are a few games into the season because of this. I wouldn't be surprised whatsoever to see some very ugly early season games and like you I think I will avoid the board if that is the case. After all there is only so much I can take of 'Tyrod should play over Flacco', 'We should have kept Boldin', 'Harbaugh doesn't know how to coach' etc......... Despite all the Doom & Gloom I think it all works out in the long run as many of the issues we have seen in the first 2 games are fairly easily correctable. At this point I am thinking a slow start as the players are learning how to play together and communicate with a strong end run into the playoffs as the good depth on the the team begins to factor in. Probably around 10-6?

[gabefergy]

I guess saving $6mil and getting a pick was worth more than $4mil and no pick.  I don't know if we would have been able to trade Jacoby, and certainly not before his $4mil savings became only $3mil after his roster bonus kicked in.  I would certainly rather have Boldin on our offense than Jacoby, but I think with his All Pro return abilities I think it's a lot closer.  The extra money and the pick we got in the trade made the difference.  Don't think I'm trying to argue with you over who's more important because I doubt we disagree on that too much.  I was just offering an explanation.  Had Boldin accepted the $2mil pay cut, we may well have cut Jacoby and saved $6mil anyway.  Him refusing to, which I don't blame him for, probably saved Jacoby's job with us.

That's possible. I jsut know I would much rather have Boldin than Jacoby as WR #2. The return ability is where I see the difference much less than the money and 6th round pick.

[Poes Crows]

Regardless of what happens with the passing game this year, in no conceivable scenario is a receiver with one year left on his contract worth more to the team than a pro bowl running back in his prime. Your premise is fundamentally flawed. Continuing to beat the dead horse while hiding behind third person rhetoric does not change that.

Beasly, I think that you fail to appreciate how the Ravens have entered an "intensive care" situation. What's immediately necessary is triage. It's also abundantly clear your inability to ascertain is not restricted to the "Team Value" of Anquan Boldin. This horse is far from dead. He's won the Kenticky Derby and is nominated to run in the Breeders Cup Classic. It's incredulous that you believe the issue is moot. Boldin may or may not be able to return to the Ravens, but his value to the team was/is immense. Lastly, you may be a zealous enough fan to never question the Raven Front Office, but don't expect other Raven Fans to be as blind as you appear to be to Front Office malfeasance.

I don't believe there is any reason for the two of us to debate the merits of Boldin's value because we are polarized on this issue, so lets not waste each others time again. I'm more than content to let the Regular Season results speak for me. And during that game to game result colloquy, it may be important to illustrate the manifest errors in management decision making.

[beanfigger]

Beasly, I think that you fail to appreciate how the Ravens have entered an "intensive care" situation. What's immediately necessary is triage. It's also abundantly clear your inability to ascertain is not restricted to the "Team Value" of Anquan Boldin. This horse is far from dead. He's won the Kenticky Derby and is nominated to run in the Breeders Cup Classic. It's incredulous that you believe the issue is moot. Boldin may or may not be able to return to the Ravens, but his value to the team was/is immense. Lastly, you may be a zealous enough fan to never question the Raven Front Office, but don't expect other Raven Fans to be as blind as you appear to be to Front Office malfeasance.

I don't believe there is any reason for the two of us to debate the merits of Boldin's value because we are polarized on this issue, so lets not waste each others time again. I'm more than content to let the Regular Season results speak for me. And during that game to game result colloquy, it may be important to illustrate the manifest errors in management decision making.

It almost sounds like you will be rooting for the Ravens to fail now just to prove Boldin was too important to trade away. You have to let it rest, otherwise you're destined to live in misery. If you're going to dwell on something from the past year in Baltimore, dwell on the Superbowl championship. You'll smile more.

[rmw10]

Beasly, I think that you fail to appreciate how the Ravens have entered an "intensive care" situation. What's immediately necessary is triage. It's also abundantly clear your inability to ascertain is not restricted to the "Team Value" of Anquan Boldin. This horse is far from dead. He's won the Kenticky Derby and is nominated to run in the Breeders Cup Classic. It's incredulous that you believe the issue is moot. Boldin may or may not be able to return to the Ravens, but his value to the team was/is immense. Lastly, you may be a zealous enough fan to never question the Raven Front Office, but don't expect other Raven Fans to be as blind as you appear to be to Front Office malfeasance.

I don't believe there is any reason for the two of us to debate the merits of Boldin's value because we are polarized on this issue, so lets not waste each others time again. I'm more than content to let the Regular Season results speak for me. And during that game to game result colloquy, it may be important to illustrate the manifest errors in management decision making.

 

 

Ooooooh big words!  Money is the issue, which you seem to fail to see.

[y0unghustla]

I don't post often but figured I'd suggest a move I would consider making. The saints are pretty deep at the wr position and they have a young wr by the name of Nick Toon who is about 6'3 220. He's been beasting and I could see him as a starting wr for the saints. Why not try to make a trade for Colston whom toon could replace in New Orleans?

[gabefergy]

I don't post often but figured I'd suggest a move I would consider making. The saints are pretty deep at the wr position and they have a young wr by the name of Nick Toon who is about 6'3 220. He's been beasting and I could see him as a starting wr for the saints. Why not try to make a trade for Colston whom toon could replace in New Orleans?

Colston is a big part of their offense. They wont trade him. Even if they were willing he makes more money than we can afford. If they were willing to trade a WR, Lance Moore would be a "more" realistic option.

 

Although I don't think it is very likely, NO is a team that could use a player from our front 7. Their defense is switching to a 3-4 and we have depth up front. 

[y0unghustla]

Colston is a big part of their offense. They wont trade him. Even if they were willing he makes more money than we can afford. If they were willing to trade a WR, Lance Moore would be a "more" realistic option.
 
Although I don't think it is very likely, NO is a team that could use a player from our front 7. Their defense is switching to a 3-4 and we have depth up front.

I know he's a big part of their offense but I really think Toon can be his replacement. I've been watching him this preseason and he actually started this week and has done really well. I fell you on his price tag tho but like you said they really could use some help on d making that transition to the 3-4. Just a thought

[5aiah]

Colston is a big part of their offense. They wont trade him. Even if they were willing he makes more money than we can afford. If they were willing to trade a WR, Lance Moore would be a "more" realistic option.

 

Although I don't think it is very likely, NO is a team that could use a player from our front 7. Their defense is switching to a 3-4 and we have depth up front. 

Pretty sure the Saints have depth problems at WR right now anyway. No Idea why people think they are deep. Someone said that to me earlier today. Their offense uses more receivers in formations than ours does and they take more of a beating and wear and tear than our guys do so they have to have guys ready to come in and get open and catch passes from Brees without much of a hitch.  

[Poes Crows]

It almost sounds like you will be rooting for the Ravens to fail now just to prove Boldin was too important to trade away. You have to let it rest, otherwise you're destined to live in misery. If you're going to dwell on something from the past year in Baltimore, dwell on the Superbowl championship. You'll smile more.

No worries, I will root for the Ravens. However I did promise myself I would not buy anymore Ravens merchandise until Boldin returns. For now, that includes attending no games as well.

If the Ravens beat the Broncos in Denver everything may be alright. But if they go 0-2 after facing the Browns, it' will be time for the villagers to gather the lanterns and pitchforks then pursue the monster that decimated the village.

[rmw10]

No worries, I will root for the Ravens. However I did promise myself I would not buy anymore Ravens merchandise until Boldin returns. For now, that includes attending no games as well.

If the Ravens beat the Broncos in Denver everything may be alright. But if they go 0-2 after facing the Browns, it' will be time for the villagers to gather the lanterns and pitchforks then pursue the monster that decimated the village.

 

You may have officially taken the claim of one of the most ridiculous posters on this board.

[SecretAgentMan]

You may have officially taken the claim of one of the most ridiculous posters on this board.

He got that when he posted that Rice for Q thing.

[rmw10]

He got that when he posted that Rice for Q thing.

I usually give people a couple of crazy posts before I officially call them crazy. It's at that point.

[SecretAgentMan]

I usually give people a couple of crazy posts before I officially call them crazy. It's at that point.

Same.....

But that thing was so utterly ridiculous so I have to make an exception.