Anquan Boldin Traded to the San Francisco 49ers

[runamuk]

this whole thread is moot http://www.nfl.com/n...cut-from-ravens he won't take a cut he is going on the market . this is the worst decision the fo has ever made .

[T3hRaven]

Ogletree/Minter/Te'o are all BETTER linebackers than Ellerbe.

I don't know if that's true, but comparing their value Boldin is worth more to the team than Ellerbe.

[Alexir]

this whole thread is moot http://www.nfl.com/n...cut-from-ravens he won't take a cut he is going on the market .

They are still talking.

[BALTIMOREFLACCO]

Ogletree/Minter/Te'o are all BETTER linebackers than Ellerbe.

Perhaps, but Ellerbe is proven and was key for us down the stretch (our DMVP IMO), so I wouldn't go that far just yet

[Alexir]

Perhaps, but Ellerbe is proven and was key for us down the stretch (our DMVP IMO), so I wouldn't go that far just yet

Him or Graham for sure.

[Grapple Raven]

As I stated earlier, Ray Lewis (and God love him, he was my favorite) elevated the MLB position and the "defense first" attitude to an all most celebrity level. It was the identity this team was built on, but in the league today the way it is trending, the MLB position doesn't stand to take more precedence over the other positions on defense, especially if we strengthen the front seven...which is where I see our biggest need is. All I am saying is that we fell in love with the MLB position because we had the greatest at that position...but we have to change our thinking... we can't tie up all our money in that position, because there will never be another Lewis. Ellerbe isn't Lewis, and it isn't fair to expect him or anyone else to be. We have to change our focus a bit, and until we do we may continue to overpay for a MLB at the expense of other team needs, ie a dominate efficient high powered offense imho. I think we need Boldin for that kind of offense.

I think that the decision of paying Ellerbe/Boldin is going to tell the direction of what type of team identity we willl have moving forward.

[JO_75]

I don't know if that's true, but comparing their value Boldin is worth more to the team than Ellerbe.

Yeah I know, and plus with the rookie wage scale, we could get one of three linebackers in the first round cheaper than it would take to keep Ellerbe.

http://www.spotrac.c...ravens/cap-hit/

Nothing against Haloti, but instead of cutting Boldin, why don't we try restructuring Ngata's contract? Why don't we save a million by cutting Ayanbedjo or Cody? Michael Oher is getting paid 3.5 million this year, where this draft has the deepest level of offensive tackles. Should we look to move him before he is a free agent next year?

Yeah I would agree. That $11 million hit, good lord. What about Suggs who is getting $13 million. I know Ozzie said he wouldn't restructure but those are better options than letting our best receiver go. I wouldn't go as far as saying trading Oher, as long as we keep him at RT and give him RT money, he'll be a good player for us.

[RavensAllTheWay]

Am I the only one who feels like they just might work something out?

[Bltravens]

Michael Oher is getting paid 3.5 million this year, where this draft has the deepest level of offensive tackles. Should we look to move him before he is a free agent next year?

Just food for though, I get that the older guy goes. I do. I just don't see us doing well with out that possession guy and Reed/Doss are not the option.

I'd rather not go into 2013 with 2 brand new Ts next year. Really 3.5 isn't that much for a starting RT who has never missed a game and can play LT in a pinch.

Suggs' and Ngata's cap hits are tough to look at though. Unfortunately Suggs is 30 coming off an achilles tear and biceps tear and Ngata hasn't been healthy for an entire year since 2010 I think. Can't restructure guys who likely won't make it passed the end of their current contract.

[BMORElegacy]

Am I the only one who feels like they just might work something out?

I feel the same way. I'm not panicking... yet..

[Alexir]

I'd rather not go into 2013 with 2 brand new Ts next year. Really 3.5 isn't that much for a starting RT who has never missed a game and can play LT in a pinch.

True. Just spit balling, trying to see what we could do instead of cutting the catfish.

To this team:

Boldin > Reed

Boldin > Ellerbe (a guest of Harbaugh's doghouse)

Boldin=McKinnie (a guest of Harbaugh's doghouse)

Ellerbe is good but I don't know if he is worth the loot we will be forced to give him. I am hearing the Eagles want him really bad. Boldin would be the better priority.

As for Big Mac, why pay a QB 120 million dollars if you are going to put turnstile Oher at LT to have him taking hits and not performing to the best of his ability.

Either Gabe or Arnie, did a thread about how going for Terron Armstead at 32 might be a great idea. If we can get McKinnie for a year to have Terron play behind, that might be the best option.

[BMORE_96]

Let me say this about the impending boldin cut, it was just a matter of time. We were going to have to lose somebody deemed viable to sign ellerbe, rfas, and make the necessary fa signings.

Considering, before the playoffs, boldin underperformed to his No.1 contract as a receiver, It would have been prudent to cut him anyways. And people on this very same board predicted the same thing. Boldin is slow and does not embodoy the explosive offense we will have with Joe in the future.Sentimentality is good for a month, but the NFL is what will you do for me, not what did you do for me.

And to be honest, the only position worth taking at no.32 according to many mock drafts would be a tavon austin, deandre hopkins player(providing no dts or pass rushers fall). Not te'o or matt elam. So cutting boldin is good for the draft and cap.

Guys, get ready for even more cuts.

Vonta leach, (4 mill for fullback)

Ayanbadejo(1 mill for declining st)

Jacoby???(5 million for a 3 wr and kr)

the fo is trying to keep guys like ellerbe and make signings to preserve the longevity of the team and not to simply keep the same guys from last year. Ozzie has a plan.

In Ozzie We Trust

[izvoodoo]

I think that the decision of paying Ellerbe/Boldin is going to tell the direction of what type of team identity we willl have moving forward.

No it's not, Boldin has a very high salary for one year and has maybe a year or 2 left in him. Ellerbe will be playing for probably another 5 years if he can stay healthy. We can't sacrifice years of LB for a WR who can't get seperation.

[BMORElegacy]

Let me say this about the impending boldin cut, it was just a matter of time. We were going to have to lose somebody deemed viable to sign ellerbe, rfas, and make the necessary fa signings.

Considering, before the playoffs, boldin underperformed to his No.1 contract as a receiver, It would have been prudent to cut him anyways. And people on this very same board predicted the same thing. Boldin is slow and does not embodoy the explosive offense we will have with Joe in the future.Sentimentality is good for a month, but the NFL is what will you do for me, not what did you do for me.

And to be honest, the only position worth taking at no.32 according to many mock drafts would be a tavon austin, deandre hopkins player(providing no dts or pass rushers fall). Not te'o or matt elam. So cutting boldin is good for the draft and cap.

Guys, get ready for even more cuts.

Vonta leach, (4 mill for fullback)

Ayanbadejo(1 mill for declining st)

Jacoby???(5 million for a 3 wr and kr)

the fo is trying to keep guys like ellerbe and make signings to preserve the longevity of the team and not to simply keep the same guys from last year. Ozzie has a plan.

In Ozzie We Trust

I was one of them. I started a thread during the season about the possibility of cutting Boldin, extending Jacoby, and letting the young receivers compete for a starting spot. As you might have guessed, I was negged into oblivion.

[BALTIMOREFLACCO]

An interesting take on the situation

http://russellstreetreport.com/counterpoint-letting-boldin-walk-isnt-as-bad-as-it-seems/

[BMORE_96]

this whole thread is moot http://www.nfl.com/n...cut-from-ravens he won't take a cut he is going on the market . this is the worst decision the fo has ever made .

This has been said with jarret johnson, derrick mason, and Jared gaither. Ozzie knows what he is doing. Anquan will only decline from here on out. Why not invest in younger players who will give more production relative to their position like ellerbe, pitta, and author jones.

Stop being prisoners of the moment, and think what if we draft a robert woods or tavon austin to replace and supercede boldins production.

Will this still be the fo's worst decision? I believe drafting boller or our wr busts in the 1st round was worse, but everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

[Grapple Raven]

@BMORE-96

"Considering, before the playoffs, boldin underperformed to his No.1 contract as a receiver,..."

I would kindly suggest that this wasn't a case of Boldin underperforming, but rather a case of a good reciever not being utilized correctly by at that time an unimaginative OC! Boldin can't catch passes on the sidelines.

[ravefan52]

We dont pay big for guys who are past their primes and declining. But if Q says its not about the money... then why wont he take the pay cut?? I dont get it. Its not like hes going to make nothing.

[BMORE_96]

I was one of them. I started a thread during the season about the possibility of cutting Boldin, extending Jacoby, and letting the young receivers compete for a starting spot. As you might have guessed, I was negged into oblivion.

I may be biased because I had the same prediction. I hereby project the ravens 1st round or early 2nd( yall know ozzie) will be a wide receiver.This player will give us a top 5 offense with us overcoming our left tackle deficiency to become better than we would have been with boldin, a receiver that mandated tight throws constantly.

[The Raven]

If we keep Boldin, we lose young players. Simple as that. Do we lose future players for a guy who will be retired soon? Nope! Ozzie is always looking to the future and the fact is Q won't be around in three years, whether he's cut now or later. Ellerbe, Pitta, Dickson, and others could be here in three years. Boldin won't.

[BMORElegacy]

An interesting take on the situation

http://russellstreet...ad-as-it-seems/

I read that like 45 minutes ago. I agree completely with Goob on this one.

[Alexir]

Let me say this about the impending boldin cut, it was just a matter of time. We were going to have to lose somebody deemed viable to sign ellerbe, rfas, and make the necessary fa signings.

Considering, before the playoffs, boldin underperformed to his No.1 contract as a receiver, It would have been prudent to cut him anyways. And people on this very same board predicted the same thing. Boldin is slow and does not embodoy the explosive offense we will have with Joe in the future.Sentimentality is good for a month, but the NFL is what will you do for me, not what did you do for me.

And to be honest, the only position worth taking at no.32 according to many mock drafts would be a tavon austin, deandre hopkins player(providing no dts or pass rushers fall). Not te'o or matt elam. So cutting boldin is good for the draft and cap.

Guys, get ready for even more cuts.

Vonta leach, (4 mill for fullback)

Ayanbadejo(1 mill for declining st)

Jacoby???(5 million for a 3 wr and kr)

the fo is trying to keep guys like ellerbe and make signings to preserve the longevity of the team and not to simply keep the same guys from last year. Ozzie has a plan.

In Ozzie We Trust

Prior to the playoffs, Joe under performed as a 5 year veteran. A lot has to do with the offensive line and play calling as you can see that Joe and Q were on fire in the playoffs. Torrey is the true number 1 on the team hence the double teams.

[Grapple Raven]

@izvoodoo

My last sentence was predicated on all the opinion in the paragraph before it. I think you missed my point! lol

[Guest Mr. Nobody]

An interesting take on the situation

http://russellstreet...ad-as-it-seems/

not really, he's without an answer to whom will be replacing Q

[BMORE_96]

@BMORE-96

"Considering, before the playoffs, boldin underperformed to his No.1 contract as a receiver,"

I would kindly suggest that this wasn't a case of Boldin underperforming, but rather a case of a good reciever not being utilized correctly by at that time an unimaginative OC! Boldin can't catch passes on the sidelines.

I am under the widely assumed thought that 7.5 million per year players, deserving of their money, especially wide receivers make plays and get open because they are exceptionally gifted despite their meandering offensive systems. Do people forget the fact that our wide receivers never got open before the playoffs and that has led to losses in the past. If boldin is strictly a slot receiver and cant be an elite outside receiver any more, it justifies a pay cut or just a plain cut from the team.

I am just fairly evaluating play, omitting playoff heroics. We have to move on guys and gals to bigger and better things. Ozzie has a plan(remember derrick mason)

[Alexir]

I am under the widely assumed thought that 7.5 million per year players, deserving of their money, especially wide receivers make plays and get open because they are exceptionally gifted despite their meandering offensive systems. Do people forget the fact that our wide receivers never got open before the playoffs and that has led to losses in the past. If boldin is strictly a slot receiver and get be an elite outside receiver any more, it justifies a pay cut or just a plain cut from the team.

I am just fairly evaluating play, omitting playoff heroics. We have to move on guys and gals to bigger and better things. Ozzie has a plan(remember derrick mason)

Joe Flacco also has to target him. Q makes his living attacking the middle of the field, Cam didn't understand this fully.

[Guest Mr. Nobody]

If we keep Boldin, we lose young players. Simple as that. Do we lose future players for a guy who will be retired soon? Nope! Ozzie is always looking to the future and the fact is Q won't be around in three years, whether he's cut now or later. Ellerbe, Pitta, Dickson, and others could be here in three years. Boldin won't.

with the cap where it is, none of the youngsters are in danger to be lost

we don't have anybody to replace Q

[rmw10]

not really, he's without an answer to whom will be replacing Q

As much as most people hate to hear it, Doss will take that role. Everyone remembers his poor game against the Colts and forgets the big plays he had for us this year. He's made a few very nice, difficult catches over the middle of the field to extend drives. He's also pretty good at drawing pass interference. Is it realistic to think Doss will match Boldin's production in his first year? No, but I do think Doss can come in and perform well.

[BMORElegacy]

not really, he's without an answer to whom will be replacing Q

Kind of like how we didn't have an answer on how we were going to replace Heap or Mason when they were released.

[Guest Mr. Nobody]

As much as most people hate to hear it, Doss will take that role. Everyone remembers his poor game against the Colts and forgets the big plays he had for us this year. He's made a few very nice, difficult catches over the middle of the field to extend drives. He's also pretty good at drawing pass interference. Is it realistic to think Doss will match Boldin's production in his first year? No, but I do think Doss can come in and perform well.

so if Doss won't give us the 900+ yrds Q got us last season... we might find ourselves short in some games... you can't really expect us to go Torrey-JJ-Doss as 3 WR set