Anquan Boldin Traded to the San Francisco 49ers

[Ravensuperfan1]

To everyone bagging on our young WRs (Doss, Laquan, Streeter, Thompson); don't you remember Torrey? He had a disappointing training camp and preseason, some were already labeling him a bust, others were saying he would never be more than a speed guy who would come in for go routes. Then he gets a shot to start a game because one of our WRs who we assumed was better got hurt. Everyone knows what happened that day.

I'm not saying I don't want Boldin, I do. I will be very disappointed if we lose him. I'm simply saying to let others have a shot before you write them and the team off. Sometimes it's all about confidence, and in the case of someone like Torrey all it took was one game for him to become the WR we were looking for.

those are the casual fans. I don't put any stock in pre-season. I judge what players do during the regular season.

Doss was targeted 5 times against Indianapolis. Couldn't handle any of the balls. Two passes should have been touchdowns.

Laquan has a good vertical and potentially good hands but overall I need to see more.

I thought David Reed would be better he was a good return guy one season. His hands and route running are a little suspect, but he's got speed.

Torrey proved himself in his rookie year. Runs hard and has deep threat speed. His hands weren't great but he's improved in that area this year

[BMORElegacy]

But people forget that Jerry Rice's 20 yard dash (final 20 of the 40) is one of the fastest in history. Or at least, commonly perceived and well known to be on of the fastest.

So once he got separation, no one was catching him.

I love Q. But I find it hard for us to keep him, Ellerbe, and Reed together. We'll lose at least 1. Maybe even 2, sadly.

Rice admits that he was lazy. But once he got the ball in his hands it was a competition and he wasn't going to let anybody catch him. Essentially, he was a slow receiver until he caught the ball then he was off to the races. The man is the reason they tabulate yards after the catch now.

[redravenfan]

Any how are you supposed to know if you never give them the chance? Look at the past. Ozzie has always cut veterans that he deemed too expensive in favor of younger players. He gives them a chance. Does it always work out? No, but Ozzie will find a way to correct that before it hurts us. You never know what you have until you give them a chance.

i do agree with you . they do deserve a chance .i just think we need more options and veteran depth while we figure out which of these guys can contribute.

[Tdot Raven]

if he doesn't then we have a losing season

No we wouldn't. But I think our passing game would take a huge blow because I don't have much faith in our rooks at the moment.

[melvinmelon123]

those are the casual fans. I don't put any stock in pre-season. I judge what players do during the regular season.

But how are we supposed to do that if they don't get playing time in the regular season? You act like these are guys that have underperformed in the league for years.

[redravenfan]

People acting like out team is doomed if we let Boldin go is hilarious. I love him as a player and he is a great teammate and leader, but it's not the end of the world folks.

Honestly, the team will be in a better position to win in the long-term if they let him go because it allows us to sign other players that are not at the end of their careers. We have made the playoffs 5 straight years and there has been a lot of turnover. It's not like Boldin has been the driving force behind the team's success.

I get the sentimental attachment and the recency effect. We also saw Boldin ball out during the playoffs, but the fact is he makes way more than his value, and it's not like the Ravens are asking him to play for nothing. A 2M dollar paycut is exactly what Boldin should be making.

no one said that at all and i think its hilarious that you would even jump to the conclusion that anyone ever said it and i read back at least ten pages to find out who did .

[redravenfan]

I get the pumping it up so it sounds good if hes gone, but damn I want him back. Its not like hes a 37 year old Mason. Boldin is a physical beast and can turn it on at the drop of a hat. I WANT him back!

i agree i want him back too .

[BMORElegacy]

you both missed my point . if we are cutting boldin wouldn't it be better to have a PROVEN talent to replace him and not gamble on unproven "rookies" ie doss williams streeter........... what happens if they all turn out to be david reed and 4 years from now they are still developing .if doss turns out to be the next calvin johnson great but what if the indy game is his norm we have no way of knowing thats the point.

Doss is going into his third year. He's had time to learn the offense and gain a rapport with Joe. It's time to let the kid have his shot. The same goes for LaQuan and David. Both have loads of talent. Now that Cam is out of the picture I see the younger guys getting their looks on offense.

Doss was a terror at Indiana and I'm sticking by him until he shows me something to feel otherwise.

[BMORElegacy]

i do agree with you . they do deserve a chance .i just think we need more options and veteran depth while we figure out which of these guys can contribute.

The coaches see these guys practice EVERY SINGLE DAY. They are in the best position to evaluate who sees the field. If the FO and coaching staff decide that the money going to Boldin can be spent better elsewhere, and that our stable of WRs can make the grade, then we should trust them in their decision making. They're highly paid professionals for a reason.

[rmw10]

i do agree with you . they do deserve a chance .i just think we need more options and veteran depth while we figure out which of these guys can contribute.

If they do indeed cut Boldin, we'll likely stick with our current group plus a potential draft pick up through the offseason into training camp and the first couple of preseason games. If they determine that Doss, Streeter, Thompson, etc. aren't ready or just aren't that good, then they'll make a move. It doesn't make sense to panic and sign some veteran now when they may not even be needed. One of these young guys may turn out to be that superstar #1 we've been searching for. One of these young guys may also be the worst receiver to ever play the game. It's a chance that has to be taken, and if the experiment fails, it will be corrected in some way.

[Ravenslifer]

The front office has shown they know what they're doing when it comes to letting go of guys, but I have to say in this one instance, if they actually cut Q, I can't agree. Like I said during the playoffs, whatever Q is or isn't, he always seems to show up in the big moments. I don't think that's by accident, and I don't think that kind of ability can be replaced by talent alone. I hope that Q is a Raven next year and every year until he hangs it up.

[jaege]

The passing game wasn't built on easy completions. Torrey was targeted 110 times and caught 49 balls in the regular season. Q caught 65 of 112 passes thrown his way.

You cannot seriously be comparing Dropsy Doss to either Smith or Boldin. Not even as a bad example. The guy doesn't get much play time because the FO and coaching staff don't want him to. It isn't like we are wildly deep at WR. If he was any good at all and had actually caught a few passes thrown his way, he would have gotten more play time.

[ravensdfan]

Well, as Boldin has backed off his word about retiring if cut (he used the word cut so he knew it was a distinct possibility), how he's a Raven for life, would never put on another uniform, blah blah blah, yeah well, I'm now 50/50 on his situation. Stay, great. Go, fine. We'll be alright.

[gabefergy]

no one said that at all and i think its hilarious that you would even jump to the conclusion that anyone ever said it and i read back at least ten pages to find out who did .

It's not jumping to a conclusion. A lot of posts have been all doom and gloom if we lose our only "proven" WR. dont even pretend like it's not the case.

[jaege]

I never said Doss was as good as Boldin, that would be a ridiculous comment. You are the one who said Doss is horrible which is also a ridiculous comment because he has probably seen a total of 200 snaps. He has shown the ability to get open downfield and make plays. He had some drops but they were far from easy catches, he is going to have a bigger role next season undoubtedly.

He may have only seen 200 snaps but in those 200 snaps he was not very good. By the time that Torrey saw 100 snaps he already had 3 TDs for some serious yardage. If we are comparing young talent to young talent....

But I agree that it will not be doom and gloom if we lose Boldin. Well, I will be gloomy, but the team will do fine. Oz will work some sort of miracle as usual and we will do just fine. It will just suck to lose the guy. He is very good and will be difficult to replace. Contrary to many fans opinions his replacement is not on the team yet. At least I haven't seen any young player (that is not named Torrey) that could carry his jock strap.

[gabefergy]

You cannot seriously be comparing Dropsy Doss to either Smith or Boldin. Not even as a bad example. The guy doesn't get much play time because the FO and coaching staff don't want him to. It isn't like we are wildly deep at WR. If he was any good at all and had actually caught a few passes thrown his way, he would have gotten more play time.

Not at all true, Doss didnt play because Cam used 2 WR sets like 70% of the time. When he used 3 WRs it was mostly Jacoby.

[gabefergy]

He may have only seen 200 snaps but in those 200 snaps he was not very good. By the time that Torrey saw 100 snaps he already had 3 TDs for some serious yardage. If we are comparing young talent to young talent....

How do you quantify not very good? I'm not comparing Torrey to Doss...just stop.

[Ed_Reed20]

you both missed my point . if we are cutting boldin wouldn't it be better to have a PROVEN talent to replace him and not gamble on unproven "rookies" ie doss williams streeter........... what happens if they all turn out to be david reed and 4 years from now they are still developing .if doss turns out to be the next calvin johnson great but what if the indy game is his norm we have no way of knowing thats the point.

That's senseless logic. You're not always going to have proven players ready to take over. There weren't any proven players replacing JJ going into this past season but Upshaw and Kruger thrived. If players never get a shot, we'll never know what they can do.

We have no way of knowing whether the Indy is a fair representation of Doss' game but the organization does, seeing as they've seen him in practice and have all the film necessary to evaluate over the past two seasons. And I'd be surprised if they concluded one bad game is representative of his game overall.

Doss was targeted 5 times against Indianapolis. Couldn't handle any of the balls. Two passes should have been touchdowns.

Doss was targeted three times.

You cannot seriously be comparing Dropsy Doss to either Smith or Boldin. Not even as a bad example. The guy doesn't get much play time because the FO and coaching staff don't want him to. It isn't like we are wildly deep at WR. If he was any good at all and had actually caught a few passes thrown his way, he would have gotten more play time.

"Dropsy Doss". Cute nickname.

Did you read my post properly? I simply compared their numbers. He doesn't get much playing time because Q thrives in the slot, as does Pitta, and Jones offer more down-field ability.

If he never caught any of the passes thrown his way, how did he compile 7 catches during the season?

[redravenfan]

It's not jumping to a conclusion. A lot of posts have been all doom and gloom if we lose our only "proven" WR. dont even pretend like it's not the case.

whatever dude no one said that at all ....lol most people are looking for a conversation about options if he leaves. and for the record even if they were they are entiltled to voice there opinions here just like you are and not be belittled or made fun of for them .

[gabefergy]

whatever dude no one said that at all ....lol most people are looking for a conversation about options if he loses. and for the record even if they were they are entiltled to voice there opinions here just like you are and not be belittled or made fun of for them .

I never belittled or made fun of anyone. Some of these comments make laugh is all.

[redravenfan]

That's senseless logic. You're not always going to have proven players ready to take over. There weren't any proven players replacing J.J. but look at what happened? Upshaw and Kruger thrived. If players never get a shot, we'll never know what they can do.

We have no way of knowing whether the Indy is a fair representation of Doss' game but the organization does, seeing as they've seen him in practice and have all the film necessary to evaluate over the past two seasons.

Doss was targeted three times.

"Dropsy Doss". Cute nickname.

Did you read my post properly? I simply compared their numbers. He doesn't get much playing time because Q thrives in the slot, as does Pitta and Jones offer more down-field ability.

If he never caught any of the passes thrown his way, how did he compile 7 catches during the season?

i give we just are not communicating well i respect your opinion and agree they need a chance .

[gabefergy]

if he doesn't then we have a losing season

no one said that at all and i think its hilarious that you would even jump to the conclusion that anyone ever said it and i read back at least ten pages to find out who did .

Care to retract your statement?

[jaege]

That's senseless logic. You're not always going to have proven players ready to take over. There weren't any proven players replacing J.J. but look at what happened? Upshaw and Kruger thrived. If players never get a shot, we'll never know what they can do.

We have no way of knowing whether the Indy is a fair representation of Doss' game but the organization does, seeing as they've seen him in practice and have all the film necessary to evaluate over the past two seasons.

Doss was targeted three times.

"Dropsy Doss". Cute nickname.

Did you read my post properly? I simply compared their numbers. He doesn't get much playing time because Q thrives in the slot, as does Pitta and Jones offer more down-field ability.

If he never caught any of the passes thrown his way, how did he compile 7 catches during the season?

I am going to have to disagree. If he was a really good WR he would get more playing time regardless of who else is good. Otherwise how do you explain Pierce getting playing time over Rice? Rice is the better back but Pierce runs the ball quite often. Boldin couldn't use a break?

[Latch]

i've seen enough of Doss. He's not Anquan he will never be Anquan.

We must keep Q. He is the receiver I've been waiting for ever since we got Flacco. Anquan and Torrey best tandem we've ever had. Wish Derrick Maosn was a little younger and still with us. Anquan, Torrey, Mason and Jacoby would be a solid secondary.

ik, ik. i have a pretty bad impression of doss right now, but he hasn't really played all that much, and it's not fair to compare a starter to someone who has played a lot less. he will probably never be Q, but i don't think many WRs will come our way anytime soon that are.

[jaege]

Not at all true, Doss didnt play because Cam used 2 WR sets like 70% of the time. When he used 3 WRs it was mostly Jacoby.

Okay. Cam as the problem I can agree with.

[gabefergy]

I am going to have to disagree. If he was a really good WR he would get more playing time regardless of who else is good. Otherwise how do you explain Pierce getting playing time over Rice? Rice is the better back but Pierce runs the ball quite often. Boldin couldn't use a break?

He was used more towards the end of the season when Caldwell took over.

[melvinmelon123]

whatever dude no one said that at all ....lol most people are looking for a conversation about options if he leaves. and for the record even if they were they are entiltled to voice there opinions here just like you are and not be belittled or made fun of for them .

You in response to Boldin not being on the team this year

if he doesn't then we have a losing season

[jaege]

How do you quantify not very good? I'm not comparing Torrey to Doss...just stop.

I am using Torrey as an example of what I would consider good young talent. Doss is not that, by comparison. Doss has the 200 odd snaps and has done less than Torrey did by his second game with maybe 50 snaps. I just do not want to compare Doss to Boldin, as comparing a relative rookie to a big time vet is not fair.

[Latch]

i guess my main problem with doss is that his BIG thing was supposed to be that he had great hands. i would have had the same issue with Torrey if, during his two seasons here, he was slow. all I'm saying is that if you're marketed as a possession reciever, fans should be able to say that you are slow or you can't get seperation or whatever, but they should never be able to point at your hands and say that they are your weakest asset. once again, this is just from what I've seen, and I can't really be sure with Tandon until I see him a little more.

[jaege]

He was used more towards the end of the season when Caldwell took over.

I have already conceded to the Cam argument. Cam is an idiot.