Anquan Boldin Traded to the San Francisco 49ers

[redravenfan]

the only point i was trying to make it is fine to say cut boldin but when you look for someone to replaced him there is no one period. doss can't catch, williams he lays on the ground to catch ,,,,,thompson haven't seen him play, streeter 'developing". would it kill ozzie or thefront office to actually draft a wr that can catch run routes and get seperation if so then go ahead and cut boldin if not find a way to keep him . no point having a 120 mil dollar qb with a rocket for an arm and go back to a run first team over 2 million dollars. thats not smart

[melvinmelon123]

To everyone bagging on our young WRs (Doss, Laquan, Streeter, Thompson); don't you remember Torrey? He had a disappointing training camp and preseason, some were already labeling him a bust, others were saying he would never be more than a speed guy who would come in for go routes. Then he gets a shot to start a game because one of our WRs who we assumed was better got hurt. Everyone knows what happened that day.

I'm not saying I don't want Boldin, I do. I will be very disappointed if we lose him. I'm simply saying to let others have a shot before you write them and the team off. Sometimes it's all about confidence, and in the case of someone like Torrey all it took was one game for him to become the WR we were looking for.

[redravenfan]

To everyone bagging on our young WRs (Doss, Laquan, Streeter, Thompson); don't you remember Torrey? He had a disappointing training camp and preseason, some were already labeling him a bust, others were saying he would never be more than a speed guy who would come in for go routes. Then he gets a shot to start a game because one of our WRs who we assumed was better got hurt. Everyone knows what happened that day.

I'm not saying I don't want Boldin, I do. I will be very disappointed if we lose him. I'm simply saying to let others have a shot before you write them and the team off. Sometimes it's all about confidence, and in the case of someone like Torrey all it took was one game for him to become the WR we were looking for.

i i always knew torrey was good .i never bashed him and i think he will only get better with caldwell and joe

[dhstandard]

They looked pretty good in the preseason, but they didnt get actual PT because Cam never used more than 3 WRs, and the only WR who got any meaningful snaps was Doss. No, he did not look horrible. He actually got open more frequently than boldin, but he was really underused because he was 4th on the depth chart.

They look alright against 3rd string talent. Deonte Thompson actually showed me he had the best hands out of them all. And no, Doss was not open more often than Boldin. All the passes to him were extremely forced and he dropped most of them. Boldin is far and away better than Doss.

[gabefergy]

They look alright against 3rd string talent. Deonte Thompson actually showed me he had the best hands out of them all. And no, Doss was not open more often than Boldin. All the passes to him were extremely forced and he dropped most of them. Boldin is far and away better than Doss.

I never said Doss was as good as Boldin, that would be a ridiculous comment. You are the one who said Doss is horrible which is also a ridiculous comment because he has probably seen a total of 200 snaps. He has shown the ability to get open downfield and make plays. He had some drops but they were far from easy catches, he is going to have a bigger role next season undoubtedly.

[Ed_Reed20]

They look alright against 3rd string talent. Deonte Thompson actually showed me he had the best hands out of them all. And no, Doss was not open more often than Boldin. All the passes to him were extremely forced and he dropped most of them. Boldin is far and away better than Doss.

Where are you getting this from? Did you chart all 18 passes thrown to him in the regular season (according to ESPN) and the few in the post-season? Or, like seemingly most people, are you basing your opinion on on him solely based on what you saw from him against Indy?

[redravenfan]

Where are you getting this from? Did you chart all 18 passes thrown to him in the regular season (according to ESPN) and the few in the post-season? Or, like seemingly most people, are you basing your opinion on on him solely based on what you saw from him against Indy?

. if he was targeted 18 times in the regular season then he caught 7 for 123 yards .thats not even half .

[runamuk]

the only point i was trying to make it is fine to say cut boldin but when you look for someone to replaced him there is no one period. doss can't catch, williams he lays on the ground to catch ,,,,,thompson haven't seen him play, streeter 'developing". would it kill ozzie or the front office to actually draft a wr that can catch run routes and get seperation if so then go ahead and cut boldin if not find a way to keep him . no point having a 120 mil dollar qb with a rocket for an arm and go back to a run first team over 2 million dollars. thats not smart

we won't go back to run first all of this is speculation at this point boldin has denied the whole thing. i don't want him gone either and since i have calmed down i know the fo will not mess up and leave us without options.i disagree with you it is damn near impossible to draft a wr nfl ready and austin will not start day one playing like calvin johnson or welker or "insert name of good wr here....."the speed of the game is different , formations, routes etc.

[rmw10]

. if he was targeted 18 times in the regular season then he caught 7 for 123 yards .thats not even half .

I bet 4 or 5 of those resulted in him drawing the pass interference. He was great a drawing the flag all year.

[Ed_Reed20]

. if he was targeted 18 times in the regular season then he caught 7 for 123 yards .thats not even half .

The passing game wasn't built on easy completions. Torrey was targeted 110 times and caught 49 balls in the regular season. Q caught 65 of 112 passes thrown his way.

[GrimCoconut]

I bet 4 or 5 of those resulted in him drawing the pass interference. He was great a drawing the flag all year.

So true. He's like Frank Walker but in reverse, lol.

[K-Dog]

1. He has the third highest cap hit of the team, topped only by two players that are at the tops of their respective positions.

2. Taking a pay cut or getting a contract extension would help the team.

3. "I'm not playing for money."

Why shouldn't Boldin take a pay cut? He played great in the playoffs, but we can't base every player's salary on a four game stretch. The FO has no idea why Boldin suddenly turned into a real #1 receiver for the playoffs, or whether that will last through another season and it would be foolish of them to pay him like one.

Why shouldnt he take a pay cut?

1) His contract has been written and agreed upon by both parties.

2) His performance does not warrant a pay cut, especially this post season.

3) His contract has been written and agreed upon by both parties, and Boldin has upheld HIS end of the contract the Racvens should do so as well.

Let me ask you. If your job wanted to give you $5.00 less per hour and still ask you to perform the same tasks, at the same level would you agree ?

Even more so, would you agree to $5.00 less per hour some some one else can make $8.00 MORE per hour ?

NOTHING about asking Boldin to take a pay cut is even remotely FAIR.

It's not exactly fair, but it is a business.

Seriously, I like Boldin too, but you guys have gotta realize it's a business. Boldin is declining, and not worth a 7.5 million cap hit. Ellerbe, however, is young and improving. Simply put, Ellerbe is a better investment at this point, and Boldin is not. I don't see why that's such a hard concept to grasp.

I fully and totally get the fact that it is a business. It goes both ways. The Ravens are a business and Anquan Boldin is a business. Anquan, rightfully so, maintains that the product and service he provides is worth the previously agreed upon amount.

Would you at your job take less money, for equal work so some one else can make more?

I dont see why THAT is such a hard concept to grasp...

[redravenfan]

I bet 4 or 5 of those resulted in him drawing the pass interference. He was great a drawing the flag all year.

that's not a good thing .wouldn't it be better if he caught the ball and ran with it ?

[rmw10]

that's not a good thing .wouldn't it be better if he caught the ball and ran with it ?

No. It means he had position on the coverage, and in order for the defense to stop it from being a huge gain, they had to hit him early.

[redravenfan]

The passing game wasn't built on easy completions. Torrey was targeted 110 times and caught 49 balls in the regular season. Q caught 65 of 112 passes thrown his way.

you just made my point torrey is still learning and getting better . q caught over half his passes .and this is not counting post season . so we cut boldin, we have jacoby dropping passes or fumbling them torrey still learning and doss dropping passes still learning and drawing penalities .....they need to keep boldin

[redravenfan]

we won't go back to run first all of this is speculation at this point boldin has denied the whole thing. i don't want him gone either and since i have calmed down i know the fo will not mess up and leave us without options.i disagree with you it is damn near impossible to draft a wr nfl ready and austin will not start day one playing like calvin johnson or welker or "insert name of good wr here....."the speed of the game is different , formations, routes etc.

with the wr's we have and if what you and everyone else says is true all wr's have to develop then all we r left with is the run game reed 4 years are u freaking kidding me ? what job do you know where u can have it not do one darn thing and keep it for 5 years ? none of this makes sense.

[Cville-Raven]

The passing game wasn't built on easy completions. Torrey was targeted 110 times and caught 49 balls in the regular season. Q caught 65 of 112 passes thrown his way.

yup Cam had to have everything the hard way

[Ed_Reed20]

you just made my point torrey is still learning and getting better . q caught over half his passes .and this is not counting post season . so we cut boldin, we have jacoby dropping passes or fumbling them torrey still learning and doss dropping passes still learning and drawing penalities .....they need to keep boldin

I didn't make your point at all. Doss' terrible against the Colts doesn't mean he has bad hands. I don't remember a single dropped pass from him in the regular season.

If Q was cut and not re-signed, the team wouldn't be doomed as some people seem to have convinced themselves. WRs often break out in their third season and in a better offense, I think Torrey could make serious statistical jump. Doss has room to improve with more opportunities, there's Streeter and Thompson and there's always the draft to add talent.

[runamuk]

with the wr's we have and if what you and everyone else says is true all wr's have to develop then all we r left with is the run game reed 4 years are u freaking kidding me ? what job do you know where u can have it not do one darn thing and keep it for 5 years ? none of this makes sense.

why does everyone insist on picking the worst possible person and use them as an example in an argument . reed i don't know why he is still around but doss was injured double sports hernia his first year . maybe this year is his break out year . wait til tuesday i bet boldin stays.

[redravenfan]

I didn't make your point at all. Doss' terrible against the Colts doesn't mean he has bad hands. I don't remember a single dropped pass from him in the regular season.

If Q was cut and not re-signed, the team wouldn't be doomed as some people seem to have convinced themselves. WRs often break out in their third season and in a better offense, I think Torrey could make serious statistical jump. Doss has room to improve with more opportunities, there's Streeter and Thompson and there's always the draft to add talent.

joe needs more then one reciever to throw too. we have pitta and dickson (who also is not the best at catching). what's the point of drafting more wr's to add to injured reserve until they develop . we need recievers who can take boldins place . and i don't see doss doing that the colts game, the superbowl and he just doesn't make enough catches to help .

[redravenfan]

why does everyone insist on picking the worst possible person and use them as an example in an argument . reed i don't know why he is still around but doss was injured double sports hernia his first year . maybe this year is his break out year . wait til tuesday i bet boldin stays.

if he doesn't then we have a losing season

[tdekornfeld]

What a huge mistake it would be to lose Boldin -- a complete disaster. Whatever we have to do, we should do to keep him!

[rmw10]

joe needs more then one reciever to throw too. we have pitta and dickson (who also is not the best at catching). what's the point of drafting more wr's to add to injured reserve until they develop . we need recievers who can take boldins place . and i don't see doss doing that the colts game, the superbowl and he just doesn't make enough catches to help .

Doss hardly saw the field this year in plays designed to get him the ball. Give him a full workload and he'll make enough catches. Now, I'm not saying I expect Doss to ever live up to Boldin's level. However, I just think your justification for why Doss is not Boldin is horrible.

[runamuk]

if he doesn't then we have a losing season

we won't have a losing season . no worries

[Ed_Reed20]

joe needs more then one reciever to throw too. we have pitta and dickson (who also is not the best at catching). what's the point of drafting more wr's to add to injured reserve until they develop . we need recievers who can take boldins place . and i don't see doss doing that the colts game, the superbowl and he just doesn't make enough catches to help .

He'd have more than one WR if Doss and the younger WRs actually got an opportunity. There's no need to generalize on rookie WRs going on IR either. Streeter was raw and didn't contribute on special teams. He was a prime IR candidate.

So three drops means he's not an worthy heir apparent? Right. Doss doesn't make enough catches because he doesn't get many opportunities. It's not a difficult concept to grasp.

[redravenfan]

He'd have more than one WR if Doss and the younger WRs actually got an opportunity. There's no need to generalize on rookie WRs going on IR either. Streeter was raw and didn't contribute on special teams. He was a prime IR candidate.

So three drops means he's not an worthy heir apparent? Right. Doss doesn't make enough catches because he doesn't get many opportunities. It's not a difficult concept to grasp.

Doss hardly saw the field this year in plays designed to get him the ball. Give him a full workload and he'll make enough catches. Now, I'm not saying I expect Doss to ever live up to Boldin's level. However, I just think your justification for why Doss is not Boldin is horrible.

you both missed my point . if we are cutting boldin wouldn't it be better to have a PROVEN talent to replace him and not gamble on unproven "rookies" ie doss williams streeter........... what happens if they all turn out to be david reed and 4 years from now they are still developing .if doss turns out to be the next calvin johnson great but what if the indy game is his norm we have no way of knowing thats the point.

[gabefergy]

People acting like out team is doomed if we let Boldin go is hilarious. I love him as a player and he is a great teammate and leader, but it's not the end of the world folks.

Honestly, the team will be in a better position to win in the long-term if they let him go because it allows us to sign other players that are not at the end of their careers. We have made the playoffs 5 straight years and there has been a lot of turnover. It's not like Boldin has been the driving force behind the team's success.

I get the sentimental attachment and the recency effect. We also saw Boldin ball out during the playoffs, but the fact is he makes way more than his value, and it's not like the Ravens are asking him to play for nothing. A 2M dollar paycut is exactly what Boldin should be making.

[The Raven]

People acting like out team is doomed if we let Boldin go is hilarious. I love him as a player and he is a great teammate and leader, but it's not the end of the world folks.

Honestly, the team will be in a better position to win in the long-term if they let him go because it allows us to sign other players that are not at the end of their careers. We have made the playoffs 5 straight years and there has been a lot of turnover. It's not like Boldin has been the driving force behind the team's success.

I get the sentimental attachment and the recency effect. We also saw Boldin ball out during the playoffs, but the fact is he makes way more than his value, and it's not like the Ravens are asking him to play for nothing. A 2M dollar paycut is exactly what Boldin should be making.

Quoted for truth

[1/28/01]

I get the pumping it up so it sounds good if hes gone, but damn I want him back. Its not like hes a 37 year old Mason. Boldin is a physical beast and can turn it on at the drop of a hat. I WANT him back!

[rmw10]

you both missed my point . if we are cutting boldin wouldn't it be better to have a PROVEN talent to replace him and not gamble on unproven "rookies" ie doss williams streeter........... what happens if they all turn out to be david reed and 4 years from now they are still developing .if doss turns out to be the next calvin johnson great but what if the indy game is his norm we have no way of knowing thats the point.

Any how are you supposed to know if you never give them the chance? Look at the past. Ozzie has always cut veterans that he deemed too expensive in favor of younger players. He gives them a chance. Does it always work out? No, but Ozzie will find a way to correct that before it hurts us. You never know what you have until you give them a chance.