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[BloodRaven]

PFF has a new series that looks into player value based on performance and cap hit. They took the highest cap hit at a position and matched that up with that position’s highest-rated player. Then the second-highest cap hit was matched with the second-highest-graded player, and so on. It's an interesting take on which players are the most overpaid and underpaid.

http://www.profootba...ltimore-ravens/

[horus13corvineus]

wasn't this in the news last week?

[berad]

wasn't this in the news last week?

The article's about a week old but I haven't seen it discussed here.

Looks like our big ticket defenders mostly 'underperformed' - it's just one metric to look at, totally reliant on PFF rankings. Surprised Lardarius isn't up there, considering he missed the majority of the year and they didn't factor in missed time. That means he was either really balling before his injury (which he was) or had a relatively low cap hit in 2012.

[horus13corvineus]

The article's about a week old but I haven't seen it discussed here.

Looks like our big ticket defenders mostly 'underperformed' - it's just one metric to look at, totally reliant on PFF rankings. Surprised Lardarius isn't up there, considering he missed the majority of the year and they didn't factor in missed time. That means he was either really balling before his injury (which he was) or had a relatively low cap hit in 2012.

it was in the Late For Work 3/1/2013 http://www.baltimore...98-7233a72af6fc

Edited by horus13corvineus, 07 March 2013 - 10:47 AM.

[BloodRaven]

The article's about a week old but I haven't seen it discussed here.

Looks like our big ticket defenders mostly 'underperformed' - it's just one metric to look at, totally reliant on PFF rankings. Surprised Lardarius isn't up there, considering he missed the majority of the year and they didn't factor in missed time. That means he was either really balling before his injury (which he was) or had a relatively low cap hit in 2012.

They factored in missed time, a lot of guys who missed most or all of the year weren't included.

I think the question this really raises is one we've all avoided, is Terrell Suggs going to bounce back? we could really regret passing on Kruger.

[Ravensfan23]

The article's about a week old but I haven't seen it discussed here.

Looks like our big ticket defenders mostly 'underperformed' - it's just one metric to look at, totally reliant on PFF rankings. Surprised Lardarius isn't up there, considering he missed the majority of the year and they didn't factor in missed time. That means he was either really balling before his injury (which he was) or had a relatively low cap hit in 2012.

Webb's cap was a little over 2.6M. Before getting hurt i'd say he lived up to it.

Just from a Ravens standpoint in 2013 I wonder if Leach, McClian and Jacoby will perform up to their Cap hits. I don't mean it in a negative way but more so in a what will their roles be.

[BloodRaven]

I'll give Ngata a pass because he's been banged up, he really should have been on IR.

[Ravensfan23]

I'll give Ngata a pass because he's been banged up, he really should have been on IR.

I think the way the 2011 season ended in NE made these guys want it that much more in 2012. Guys like Suggs, Ngata, probably Ellerbe, Pollard and definitely Ray should have missed a lot more time then they did. But these guys fought through and brought a Championship back to Baltimore. I appreciate their toughness, grit and willingness to fight through, I just hope guys like Ngata and Suggs didn't put themselves in position to have continual have nagging injuries now into their 30s.

[H8R]

I'll give Ngata a pass because he's been banged up, he really should have been on IR.

Sure, give him a pass.. Though you and a bunch of others swore he was still playing at an elite level...

[BloodRaven]

Sure, give him a pass.. Though you and a bunch of others swore he was still playing at an elite level...

He was before he got hurt, which is what I actually said.

[Ravenseconbeast]

Sure, give him a pass.. Though you and a bunch of others swore he was still playing at an elite level...

We'll see next year. His been getting injured and underperforming more than i thought he would be. I really thought he'd be the type of guy that would get better after his mega-contract. Not really sure anymore.

[arnie_uk]

We'll see next year. His been getting injured and underperforming more than i thought he would be. I really thought he'd be the type of guy that would get better after his mega-contract. Not really sure anymore.

he hasn't been underperforming when he's been. All of maybe 10 games in two years incl playoffs.

[H8R]

He was before he got hurt, which is what I actually said.

He was hurt the whole season... from what people were saying

[H8R]

he hasn't been underperforming when he's been. All of maybe 10 games in two years incl playoffs.

Bob Sanders was performing when he wasn't hurt too... Obvioulsy Ngata doesn't have that kind of injuries ... the point is ... Being healthy is of importance!

[arnie_uk]

He was hurt the whole season... from what people were saying

he was fit about the first four games I thought then done a shoulder then against Houston I think he done the mcl

[arnie_uk]

Bob Sanders was performing when he wasn't hurt too... Obvioulsy Ngata doesn't have that kind of injuries ... the point is ... Being healthy is of importance!

I know it is, hence the sarcastic all of 10 games. But its not like he got paid and was just happy with the status quo as implied by beast. He's been playing at pro bowl level the first maybe five games the past two seasons and then gets hurt.

Id like to see his snaps cut to fifty or sixty percent. Dominate ngata for 30 plays a game is better than an average one for 50.

[Ravenseconbeast]

he hasn't been underperforming when he's been. All of maybe 10 games in two years incl playoffs.

I suppose 'underpeforming' is probably not the right word. Maybe not living up to his contract. He was ranked bottom of +25 in run defense (PFF) and you can see him regressing a little bit even when he was healthy.

[The Raven]

I suppose 'underpeforming' is probably not the right word. Maybe not living up to his contract. He was ranked bottom of +25 in run defense (PFF) and you can see him regressing a little bit even when he was healthy.

I can't agree that he was regressing when healthy. Just can't agree with that.

[berad]

it was in the Late For Work 3/1/2013 http://www.baltimore...98-7233a72af6fc

You're right, the LFW. I had just checked the "forum-side"

They factored in missed time, a lot of guys who missed most or all of the year weren't included. I think the question this really raises is one we've all avoided, is Terrell Suggs going to bounce back? we could really regret passing on Kruger.

I think they did: from their methodology - LINK

All players who were either active or inactive for at least one game were included

So Webb was in there somewhere. Idk how much missed time was factored in, they held it against Ray and Terrell.

Webb's cap was a little over 2.6M. Before getting hurt i'd say he lived up to it. Just from a Ravens standpoint in 2013 I wonder if Leach, McClian and Jacoby will perform up to their Cap hits. I don't mean it in a negative way but more so in a what will their roles be.

Small cap hit and he was balling! McClain was definitely struggling throughout the year.

[gabefergy]

PFF has a beef with the Ravens for some reason. Even when players perform extremely well, there is always something that they say to negate it or devalue.