Next Man Up: Extensions & Re-Signings

[akacrow]

I agree with fazing out some of our players for cheaper alternatives, Jones, Leach, Koch etc. Although I believe we can keep them on the roster this season and let them go after 2013. Jones and Leach are FA's in 2014, and we could bring in a rookie to compete with Koch.

[cobrajet]

I think McKinnie will test the market, but the Ravens should leave the door open to retaining him if his offers are not ridiculous. The guy is not a bad left tackle and no offense, Oher is decent as a Right Tackle but IMHO he think he struggles on the left side. I much rather have McKinnie there if we can afford him. I think in Caldwell'sl system we will need Bryant. I hope he hangs around for two more years.

Ellerbe is #1

[dhstandard]

Boldin, Oher, Leach, and JJ should be extended to save some cap room.

[dhstandard]

[quote name='Ravenseconbeast' timestamp='1362339462' post='1375926']
I think with the time Ravens spent on dickson, we'll more than likely let him go after this season. His been given alot of reps and opportunity but has proven he isn't effective. If you think about it, the chance of grooming a TE @ the level of dickson's production is very HIGH. I say we draft a TE @ later rounds in 4th round like Gavin Escobar(a physical 6-6' freak who is fast and strong) and build next to Pitta.

We can't pay all of our UFA/RFA, and i think dickson is the last of our priorities imo.
[/quote]

His hands got really unreliable at some point two seasons ago. I don't know what happened, he just suddenly started dropping the ball everywhere. He nearly dropped both his catches in the Super Bowl.

[dhstandard]

[quote name='akacrow' timestamp='1362341567' post='1375974']
I agree with fazing out some of our players for cheaper alternatives, Jones, Leach, Koch etc. Although I believe we can keep them on the roster this season and let them go after 2013. Jones and Leach are FA's in 2014, and we could bring in a rookie to compete with Koch.
[/quote]

Stupid to faze out Koch. What do we save like 500k in cap space this season? He had an off end to the season last year but he is still a very good punter. He deserves the chance to show he can be his old self. Don't forget he is also the holder and good friends with Tucker. You shouldn't break the chemistry to save chump change.

[bauer77]

Ellerbe, Pitta, Reed imo should come before anyone else. And then extend Boldin to save some room, and maybe Leach and JJ. Let Oher play out his contract, and maybe we extend Arthur Jones too.

[akacrow]

[quote name='cobrajet' timestamp='1362344527' post='1376044']
I think McKinnie will test the market, but the Ravens should leave the door open to retaining him if his offers are not ridiculous. The guy is not a bad left tackle and no offense, Oher is decent as a Right Tackle but IMHO he think he struggles on the left side. I much rather have McKinnie there if we can afford him. I think in Caldwell'sl system we will need Bryant. I hope he hangs around for two more years.

Ellerbe is #1
[/quote]

If McKinnie is the only thing going he should be resigned, if not I would prefer the FO entertain other prospects in free agency.

[Ravenseconbeast]

[quote name='dhstandard' timestamp='1362354771' post='1376235']
Stupid to faze out Koch. What do we save like 500k in cap space this season? He had an off end to the season last year but he is still a very good punter. He deserves the chance to show he can be his old self. Don't forget he is also the holder and good friends with Tucker. You shouldn't break the chemistry to save chump change.
[/quote]

alot of his punts were really bad. i think his punt return ended up returning to TD's more than +5 times this season.

[akacrow]

[quote name='dhstandard' timestamp='1362354771' post='1376235']
Stupid to faze out Koch. What do we save like 500k in cap space this season? He had an off end to the season last year but he is still a very good punter. He deserves the chance to show he can be his old self. Don't forget he is also the holder and good friends with Tucker. You shouldn't break the chemistry to save chump change.
[/quote]

Koch will make 2.5 mil in 2014 and 2015 respectively. 2 mil per is not chump change.

[dhstandard]

[quote name='akacrow' timestamp='1362355222' post='1376247']
Koch will make 2.5 mil in 2014 and 2015 respectively. 2 mil per is not chump change.
[/quote]

But the amount you save by cutting him is.

[dhstandard]

[quote name='Ravenseconbeast' timestamp='1362355094' post='1376242']
alot of his punts were really bad. i think his punt return ended up returning to TD's more than +5 times this season.
[/quote]

I thought we only allowed 3 TDs at most off of punts. We had one or two big returns but that is to be expected. You can blame some of that on lane integrity and guys trying to make too many big plays. Ayenbadejo has a horrible season in my opinion.

[akacrow]

[quote name='dhstandard' timestamp='1362355703' post='1376284']
But the amount you save by cutting him is.
[/quote]

This season yes, in 2014 the savings are near full value, and in 2015 they will be full value. I don't see the issue with bringing in competition at punter, if Koch wins out he will obviously be retained.

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='dhstandard' timestamp='1362355817' post='1376291']
I thought we only allowed 3 TDs at most off of punts. We had one or two big returns but that is to be expected. You can blame some of that on lane integrity and guys trying to make too many big plays. Ayenbadejo has a horrible season in my opinion.
[/quote]
I remember one game where Koch definitely made a very poor punt and punted it in the wrong direction which was evident by the coverage for special teams. This caused the coverage unit to be out of position and caused the touchdown. I think that was against the Broncos. You could blame that on the altitude, I suppose.

But then he had that really awful punt, I can't remember if it was in the Super Bowl or what. It was one of the worst I have ever seen him make. I don't know if something is wrong with his leg or what. He hasn't been the same player he was in the past these past two years. Still, you don't cut him to save money, but if a rookie punter is available or is undrafted (more likely) and you bring him in and he really beats Koch in practice, then you have the second coming of Billy Cundiff.

[The Oakland Cathedral]

[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1362359978' post='1376372']

I remember one game where Koch definitely made a very poor punt and punted it in the wrong direction which was evident by the coverage for special teams. This caused the coverage unit to be out of position and caused the touchdown. I think that was against the Broncos. You could blame that on the altitude, I suppose.

But then he had that really awful punt, I can't remember if it was in the Super Bowl or what. It was one of the worst I have ever seen him make. I don't know if something is wrong with his leg or what. He hasn't been the same player he was in the past these past two years. Still, you don't cut him to save money, but if a rookie punter is available or is undrafted (more likely) and you bring him in and he really beats Koch in practice, then you have the second coming of Billy Cundiff.
[/quote]Except people will still like and appreciate Koch rather than use his name as a curse word.

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='Miami Hurricane' timestamp='1362360714' post='1376388']
Except people will still like and appreciate Koch rather than use his name as a curse word.
[/quote]
True, or as a verb:

[b]Cun-diff[/b]: to kick a ball wide left; to miss a target you're supposed to make.

[redravenfan]

resign: ellerbe, mckinnie (if reasonable) and reed
restructure: boldin and J jones
kruger and c williams find a new home

[Grendelwulf21]

[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1362360842' post='1376391']
True, or as a verb:

[b]Cun-diff[/b]: to kick a ball wide left; to miss a target you're supposed to make.
[/quote]
awwwwww ...

[RavensFan4duration]

[i][b]Reality is a mediocre linebacker is all that Mr Ellerbee[/b][/i] [i][b]will ever be in this league![/b][/i]
[i][b]Perhaps we should just face the facts people? Ray lewis will never be replaced for the[/b][/i]
[i][b]simple fact that # 52 is one of the best middle Linebackers[/b][/i] [i][b]to ever play this game..[/b][/i]

[i][b]And Anquan Boldin is the Drive extender that the Ravens have been missing from[/b][/i]
[i][b]the offense until # 81 arrived from Arizona to move the chains![/b][/i]
[i][b]The Ravens[/b][/i] [i][b]Wide outs have never before been such a talented group of Playmakers[/b][/i]
[i][b]as what we have now on the Roster! from Jacoby Jones # 12 to Torrey Smith #82 to[/b][/i]
[i][b]The warrior wearing # 81 Anquan boldin along with the young speedsters made for[/b][/i]
[i][b]a very consistant and productive offense able to seemingly march down the field at will..[/b][/i]

[i][b]Dennis Pitta[/b][/i] [i][b]is a Game changer at tight end! as both an excellent Receiver and a[/b][/i]
[i][b]pretty solid blocker! # 88 takes the contact over the middle of the field without even[/b][/i]
[i][b]blinking despite repeatedly being pounded by Linebackers and Safetys or Corner backs[/b][/i]
[i][b]last season Dennis Pitta never quit on a route or a Blocking assignment the entire season..[/b][/i]

[i][b]Carey webster is very close to being a shut down corner back! and if Carey is not a[/b][/i]
[i][b]Raven next season? The Ravens[/b][/i] [i][b]have[/b][/i] [i][b]some weaknesses on the Defensive side of the ball[/b][/i]
[i][b]for the first time in many years without # 52 Ray Lewis being around to motivate[/b][/i] [i][b]or[/b][/i]
[i][b]inspire the rest of the Defense!..[/b][/i]

[rmw10]

[quote name='RavensFan4duration' timestamp='1362379031' post='1376827']
[i][b]Reality is a mediocre linebacker is all that Mr Ellerbee[/b][/i] [i][b]will ever be in this league![/b][/i]
[i][b]Perhaps we should just face the facts people? Ray lewis will never be replaced for the[/b][/i]
[i][b]simple fact that # 52 is one of the best middle Linebackers[/b][/i] [i][b]to ever play this game..[/b][/i]

[i][b]And Anquan Boldin is the Drive extender that the Ravens have been missing from[/b][/i]
[i][b]the offense until # 81 arrived from Arizona to move the chains![/b][/i]
[i][b]The Ravens[/b][/i] [i][b]Wide outs have never before been such a talented group of Playmakers[/b][/i]
[i][b]as what we have now on the Roster! from Jacoby Jones # 12 to Torrey Smith #82 to[/b][/i]
[i][b]The warrior wearing # 81 Anquan boldin along with the young speedsters made for[/b][/i]
[i][b]a very consistant and productive offense able to seemingly march down the field at will..[/b][/i]

[i][b]Dennis Pitta[/b][/i] [i][b]is a Game changer at tight end! as both an excellent Receiver and a[/b][/i]
[i][b]pretty solid blocker! # 88 takes the contact over the middle of the field without even[/b][/i]
[i][b]blinking despite repeatedly being pounded by Linebackers and Safetys or Corner backs[/b][/i]
[i][b]last season Dennis Pitta never quit on a route or a Blocking assignment the entire season..[/b][/i]

[i][b]Carey webster is very close to being a shut down corner back! and if Carey is not a[/b][/i]
[i][b]Raven next season? The Ravens[/b][/i] [i][b]have[/b][/i] [i][b]some weaknesses on the Defensive side of the ball[/b][/i]
[i][b]for the first time in many years without # 52 Ray Lewis being around to motivate[/b][/i] [i][b]or[/b][/i]
[i][b]inspire the rest of the Defense!..[/b][/i]
[/quote]

Speechless...

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='rmw10' timestamp='1362379124' post='1376829']
Speechless...
[/quote]

Oh c'mon. The bold made it so authoritative.

I would feel better if I'd heard at least some rumblings about Ellerbe & Reed.

[1/28/01]

Carey Webster rules!

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='RavensFan4duration' timestamp='1362379031' post='1376827']
[i][b]Reality is a mediocre linebacker is all that Mr Ellerbee[/b][/i] [i][b]will ever be in this league![/b][/i]
[i][b]Perhaps we should just face the facts people? Ray lewis will never be replaced for the[/b][/i]
[i][b]simple fact that # 52 is one of the best middle Linebackers[/b][/i] [i][b]to ever play this game..[/b][/i]

[i][b]And Anquan Boldin is the Drive extender that the Ravens have been missing from[/b][/i]
[i][b]the offense until # 81 arrived from Arizona to move the chains![/b][/i]
[i][b]The Ravens[/b][/i] [i][b]Wide outs have never before been such a talented group of Playmakers[/b][/i]
[i][b]as what we have now on the Roster! from Jacoby Jones # 12 to Torrey Smith #82 to[/b][/i]
[i][b]The warrior wearing # 81 Anquan boldin along with the young speedsters made for[/b][/i]
[i][b]a very consistant and productive offense able to seemingly march down the field at will..[/b][/i]

[i][b]Dennis Pitta[/b][/i] [i][b]is a Game changer at tight end! as both an excellent Receiver and a[/b][/i]
[i][b]pretty solid blocker! # 88 takes the contact over the middle of the field without even[/b][/i]
[i][b]blinking despite repeatedly being pounded by Linebackers and Safetys or Corner backs[/b][/i]
[i][b]last season Dennis Pitta never quit on a route or a Blocking assignment the entire season..[/b][/i]

[i][b]Carey webster is very close to being a shut down corner back! and if Carey is not a[/b][/i]
[i][b]Raven next season? The Ravens[/b][/i] [i][b]have[/b][/i] [i][b]some weaknesses on the Defensive side of the ball[/b][/i]
[i][b]for the first time in many years without # 52 Ray Lewis being around to motivate[/b][/i] [i][b]or[/b][/i]
[i][b]inspire the rest of the Defense!..[/b][/i]
[/quote]do you mean Corey Webster, the guy we dominated for the giants? That shut down corner?

[arnie_uk]

https://twitter.com/JasonColeYahoo/s...06262081871872


Jason Cole
‏@JasonColeYahoo
I didn't believe this couple of weeks ago, but do now: LB/DE Paul Kruger looks like he's going to blow past $9m per, could get over $10m per

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1362421908' post='1377189']


https://twitter.com/JasonColeYahoo/s...06262081871872


Jason Cole
‏@JasonColeYahoo
I didn't believe this couple of weeks ago, but do now: LB/DE Paul Kruger looks like he's going to blow past $9m per, could get over $10m per
[/quote]
Great! I hope he gets 12M! Better comp pick! Haha.

[arnie_uk]

Spencer has just been tagged now as well so Kruger is the probably the no.1 pas rusher available.

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1362425692' post='1377256']
Spencer has just been tagged now as well so Kruger is the probably the no.1 pas rusher available.
[/quote]
Dude, we're probably getting a 3rd round comp pick then, lol. That's just awesome. I hope some team overpays him.

3rd Round Comp: Paul Kruger
4th Round Comp: Cary Williams
6th Round Comp: Bryant McKinnie (maybe)

If Ellerbe leaves, he could get us a 4th or 5th as well. Not that I want to lose Ellerbe, but if he wants a lot I can't see us paying that.

If our big name FAs do leave (Kruger, Williams) we need to be really careful in FA.

[ravensdan]

Wow, if anyone has seen the details of Flacco's contract. he is only taking up 6.5 mil this year toward the cap. i think the expectations for re-signings / additions just went way up. i still say we lose kruger, but Williams will be back and McKinnie, Ellerbee and Reed.

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='ravensdan' timestamp='1362430664' post='1377329']
Wow, if anyone has seen the details of Flacco's contract. he is only taking up 6.5 mil this year toward the cap. i think the expectations for re-signings / additions just went way up. i still say we lose kruger, but Williams will be back and McKinnie, Ellerbee and Reed.
[/quote]
We have close to but still less than 12M in cap space without any restructures or additional retirements or cuts. We still have to tender Pitta, Dickson, A. Jones, D. Reed, Harewood. We have ERFAs to sign. We also have to leave money for draft picks. In addition to that, you need to leave about 2M in cap space in case there is an unexpected injury and you need to sign a vet in an emergency.

We are really tight against the cap. Nothing is different. We will still probably lose Williams, Kruger, McKinnie & pay lose Ellerbe or Reed. This won't be easy. We have to decide what to do with players like McClain, BA, Leach, Boldin & Jacoby.

[T3hRaven]

With the remaining cap space, we should ignore our free agents and go sign Jake Long. Protect Flacco's blindside after you just paid him all that money.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='T3hRaven' timestamp='1362431242' post='1377344']
With the remaining cap space, we should ignore our free agents and go sign Jake Long. Protect Flacco's blindside after you just paid him all that money.
[/quote]

I saw the edit