Salary cap set to $123.9 Million

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http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000146046/article/nfl-sets-2013-salary-cap-at-123m-up-from-1206m


About 2 million more than expected. Teams like ours should now be able to have a little more freedom. This can be be the difference between keeping or losing Reed. The highlight of winning the sb, besides the trophy is the fact the draft picks aren't expensive. You can also get a team that needs players to trade up for that pick so maybe they can work out a nice deal, while our team still gets people they were eying later on anyway. I feel Ozzie is looking for fill ins with the first two picks and depth after for situational roles.

[Bravens292]

so with ray and birks retirements and this cap increase, how much do we have now?

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I think about 20 million but the numbers vary depending on the source.

[runamuk]

that's not allot

[Guest Moderator 6]

[quote name='Bravens292' timestamp='1362107690' post='1372967']
so with ray and birks retirements and this cap increase, how much do we have now?
[/quote] About [url="http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/ravens-insider/bal-baltimore-ravens-players-ray-lewis-matt-birk-placed-on-reserveretired-list-20130228,0,5197647.story"]$6.4 million more[/url] than we did if they did not retire.

Also according to that article, the Ravens have about $17.981 million in cap room.

[JohnnyBoy8102]

PFT has the Ravens at 18.23 million under the cap.

[ravensfan2424]

Assuming we are sitting at about $18 million in cap space, and we restructure possibly Suggs and Ngata to add hopefully another $3-5 million total in space, I think we have a chance to give Flacco a good deal and possibly retain Reed.

[K-Dog]

This makes Boldin fans feel a bit better.

[Purple Punishment]

I was wondering because we didnt use what was considered extra cap from the new CBA for the past 2 seasons, doesnt that stack and can be used to increase our cap as well?

[redravenfan]

don't we have some carryover too things aren't as bleak as they once appeared sure some folks will have to redo there contracts i thought we were over and had to do a vet dump like the steelers are doing

[Guest Mr. Nobody]

for the cap minded people like myself [url="http://russellstreetreport.com/salary-cap-notes-league-increases-cap-to-123m-for-2013/"]http://russellstreetreport.com/salary-cap-notes-league-increases-cap-to-123m-for-2013/[/url]

[GrimCoconut]

This is awesome. It will help us keep a few guys and also sign some vets.

[Guest llwillow1231]

[quote name='horus13corvineus' timestamp='1362146294' post='1373239']
for the cap minded people like myself [url="http://russellstreetreport.com/salary-cap-notes-league-increases-cap-to-123m-for-2013/"]http://russellstreet...-123m-for-2013/[/url]
[/quote]thanks that link was very helpful

[Ravensuperfan1]

Ed Reed and Boldin were never leaving. I swear you all jump to too many conclusions. There is no way we were losing Boldin, and we are willing to pay Ed. Will probably resign Ellerbe as well.

Kruger and Cary are gone. Mckinnie might be gone to.

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='Ravensuperfan1' timestamp='1362150284' post='1373269']
Ed Reed and Boldin were never leaving. I swear you all jump to too many conclusions. There is no way we were losing Boldin, and we are willing to pay Ed. Will probably resign Ellerbe as well.

Kruger and Cary are gone. Mckinnie might be gone to.
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I don't think anyone said Boldin was leaving. People said they thought he could be a cap casualty with Flacco, Ellerbe, Kruger, Williams, Reed, etc. as UFAs & Pitta, Jones, Dickson, Oher, Leach, JJ, Boldin & Graham as UFAs in 2014.

[jaege]

[quote name='Ravensuperfan1' timestamp='1362150284' post='1373269']
[b]Ed Reed and Boldin were never leaving. [/b]I swear you all jump to too many conclusions. There is no way we were losing Boldin, and we are willing to pay Ed. Will probably resign Ellerbe as well.

Kruger and Cary are gone. Mckinnie might be gone to.
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That is a bold statement. After all, I cannot say there were many that felt Heap or Mason would be cut like they were. You never know what the FO might do that eventually looks like good business.

[rmw10]

[quote name='jaege' timestamp='1362156038' post='1373347']
That is a bold statement. After all, I cannot say there were many that felt Heap or Mason would be cut like they were. You never know what the FO might do that eventually looks like good business.
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Heap and Mason were cut because they were pretty much done and had very little left in them. Boldin, Leach, etc. all still have a couple years ahead of them. This is a different situation. Heap and Mason were cut on basis of money and production. Any cuts this year, besides Bobbie Williams most likely, will be on pure basis of money. They want to keep these guys if possible. I think Heap and Mason were gone regardless of money.

[jaege]

[quote name='rmw10' timestamp='1362156455' post='1373355']
Heap and Mason were cut because they were pretty much done and had very little left in them. Boldin, Leach, etc. all still have a couple years ahead of them. This is a different situation. Heap and Mason were cut on basis of money and production. Any cuts this year, besides Bobbie Williams most likely, will be on pure basis of money. They want to keep these guys if possible. I think Heap and Mason were gone regardless of money.
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In hindsight I agree, but at the time I and most of the fanbase was shocked. I also agree that Boldin and Leech are still in their playing prime, but monetary issues could lead to players being lost. Even good ones, since they are paid more. It is not out the question that the Ravens may cut some good productive players. To state emphatically that they will not be cut is bold. I hope you are right. I am not certain of it. Although knowing the cap has eased a little makes me a bit more positive.

I would hate to see Boldin or Leech go.

[gabefergy]

After the Flacco contract we should still have roughly 14M in cap space, with more potential moves to come.

I think we need to keep Pitta and Jones at least at 2nd round tenders if not longer deals. Dickson should be tendered as well as an original round tender. That is about 5.5M. Add in Morgan Cox ~1M. We also have several ERFAs that need to be tendered. McClellan, Rainey, Bynes, Brown, Allen, Hall, Cook etc...that might come close to 5M all told

That leaves us with not so much cap space, maybe 2-3M which probably isnt even enough to sign our incoming draft class.

IMO we still need to make a few cuts and/or extensions. Bobbie Williams will save about 1M, and Vonta Leach 3M if cut, maybe he takes less to stay but he gets paid way too much for the amount of snaps he sees.

I think Boldin will be asked to take a paycut or maybe given a 2-3 year deal at a lower rate. Jacoby Jones is due 4M which is a lot for a 3rd WR who play 25-30 snaps + ST. He is a dynamic player, and ideally we can give him a 3-4 year deal that relieves cap for this season but still pays him 3-4M a year.

I havent even gotten to bringing back UFAs. Ellerbe is a priority IMO and then Reed. I dont see a way Kruger comes back even though we could use him. I think McKinnie is right up there with Ed as 2nd priority.

[SecretAgentMan]

Wow. All you novel writing people.

Let me sum it up.

If I was Ozzie

Extend
Boldin
Pitta
Leach
Jacoby

Open up more cap space

Cut
Bobbie Williams
David Reed
Terrance Cody
Considine

Resign
Ellerbe
Reed
Mckinnie
James I

Potential Aquisitions with the new cap room
Sammie Lee Hill
Shaun Phillips
Barwin

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='Mr. Irrelevant' timestamp='1362287788' post='1375582']
Wow. All you novel writing people.

Let me sum it up.

If I was Ozzie

Extend
Boldin
Pitta
Leach
Jacoby

Open up more cap space

Cut
Bobbie Williams
David Reed
Terrance Cody
Considine

Resign
Ellerbe
Reed
Mckinnie
James I

Potential Aquisitions with the new cap room
Sammie Lee Hill
Shaun Phillips
Barwin
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Your moves are unrealistic and won't happen. Just being honest. We will not have the money to sign all those players. We're not cutting Cody. Reed is an RFA, he might not get tendered but I see him returning possibly at the vet minimum. Considine is also a FA. We won't be able to re-sign McKinnie, Reed & Ellerbe. Not all three. I say it will be Reed & Ellerbe, but I really wonder if we can keep Dannell.

We are not in an easy cap situation.

[SecretAgentMan]

[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1362288146' post='1375586']

Your moves are unrealistic and won't happen. Just being honest. We will not have the money to sign all those players. We're not cutting Cody. Reed is an RFA, he might not get tendered but I see him returning possibly at the vet minimum. Considine is also a FA. We won't be able to re-sign McKinnie, Reed & Ellerbe. Not all three. I say it will be Reed & Ellerbe, but I really wonder if we can keep Dannell.

We are not in an easy cap situation.
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I think we can get Big Mac in.... Gabe said above 14 mil in cap. If its true, then I think we can get all three back

[gabefergy]

[quote name='Mr. Irrelevant' timestamp='1362288417' post='1375589']

I think we can get Big Mac in.... Gabe said above 14 mil in cap. If its true, then I think we can get all three back
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Did you read the rest of my post though? Our RFAs and ERFAs alone will eat up most of that cap space. Add in the incoming draft class and we are at the cap. Im sure there are still moves to be made, but in reality we might be able to sign one or two UFAs.

[SecretAgentMan]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1362289089' post='1375603']

Did you read the rest of my post though? Our RFAs and ERFAs alone will eat up most of that cap space. Add in the incoming draft class and we are at the cap. Im sure there are still moves to be made, but in reality we might be able to sign one or two UFAs.
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I think we are at least getting Ellerbe back. At the very least anyway.

Reed and Mckinnie have choices. But damn I would love to have Reeds last ride

[gabefergy]

[quote name='Mr. Irrelevant' timestamp='1362289224' post='1375607']
I think we are at least getting Ellerbe back. At the very least anyway.

Reed and Mckinnie have choices. But damn I would love to have Reeds last ride
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Yeah I agree, but like I said there are going to have be some more cuts.

[SecretAgentMan]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1362289357' post='1375609']


Yeah I agree, but like I said there are going to have be some more cuts.
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Well. I don't see Q leaving. I would hate to see Leach go. But he might. Then again, the only team that might be interested in him is MIN. But I think Leach will prob stay.

Jacoby is prob going to get a more cap friendly deal if anyone will. We need him here. Best KR PR in the NFL. Best we've had since Jermaine.

Williams (I agree).
Leach (will prob come back on a cheaper deal, Min wants there own guy back)
I've heard some say cut Koch and bring in Jeff Locke. Not a bad idea. Locke has a huge leg. But Koch is a good punter

[Irish Raven]

[quote name='Mr. Irrelevant' timestamp='1362287788' post='1375582']
If I was Ozzie

Cut
Terrance Cody

Potential Aquisitions with the new cap room
Sammie Lee Hill

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Cody will not be cut.
He is still on his rookie deal and is a very reasonable 910,000 cap hit next year.
Certainly possible he'll be let walk after that and he won't be offered a second deal but for now he's staying. If he is not starter then he's cheap depth

I do like your pickup of Hill a lot!

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[quote name='rmw10' timestamp='1362156455' post='1373355']


Heap and Mason were cut because they were pretty much done and had very little left in them. Boldin, Leach, etc. all still have a couple years ahead of them. This is a different situation. Heap and Mason were cut on basis of money and production. Any cuts this year, besides Bobbie Williams most likely, will be on pure basis of money. They want to keep these guys if possible. I think Heap and Mason were gone regardless of money.
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Heap was missing games left and right and Smith had just been drafted. There were replacements. No one is behind Reed that I think they trust to start. I feel they would trust the wr core behind Boldin, but realize he has at least 2-3 more productive years left. I know they said they don't plan on restructuring, but I feel Haloti is a possibility if they do. Maybe rework his, Boldin's and Leach's contracts.