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[News] Late For Work 2/26: Will Joe Flacco Follow Tom Brady?

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[quote name='Popeye the sailor man' timestamp='1361896062' post='1369767']
I can run that 40 in 4.25 (only once then I'll have to sit down for a few hours) and I'm 66 yrs old. Joe Flacco deserves to make money but over time, not all at once and he needs to fire Joe Linta, he's ruining the whole team.I'm surprise Tom Brady said what he said,makes good sense and helps the team.
[/quote]You can run the 40 in 4.25.....MINUTES?? lol If its seconds you must have a rocket duct taped to your back. Seriously, congrats!! becuz if you can do that at 66, you must have been a blur at 20.
Im gonna reserve my opinion of Joe Linta until i hear about the contract.....then I'll decide if he should have been fired.
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[quote name='Baltimorebulldawg' timestamp='1361891959' post='1369678']
"If you ask anyone out here." They'd say, yeah I'm exhausted! But how about that sub-4.7 40 I posted?! Suggs ran a 4.8 though, so there's that.
[/quote]Suggs was a monster in college both years not just one and he still holds the NCAA sack record
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I heard Peter King commenting on Brady being a standup guy for taking 'less". He's 35 years old and he INCREASED his guaranteed amount. He,and his agent, know exactly what they are doing, and it has nothing to do with what's "doing best for the team".
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can't break it down any easer than this if Flacco wants to have a shot at the Superbowl for the next few years then he needs to not squeeze the team for every cent he can. If he is only interested in fatting his pockets and wants to be the an average QB for an average team and finish with a average record every year then the team as a whole is going to find it hard to respect a guy that cares more about money than the chance to win championships. I don't care what Tom Brady's wife makes that he can afford to do that Joe Flacco wasn't a millionaire before joining the Ravens and if he were on the Browns he still would be without a ring.Joe Flacco did not single handedly put the team on his back and win any game some of the throws he made were completed buy having awesome talents like Boldin , Smith ,Jones , Pitta & Rice that made him look like a super star, not to mention a reshuffled O-line that gave him the time he needed to allow him to stand in the pocket and make those deep throws.Im so tired of people comparing Joe to Brady or Payton that is as ludicrous as comparing Ray Lewis with James Harrison.
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I don't care what anybody says if you don't participate in all workouts at the combine, you have something to hide. He lost 10 lbs to run a faster 40 and he still ran a slow time and didn't bench press. People say the 40 is overrated for LB's, well tell that to the teams who have to have their LB's cover TE's like Jimmy Graham, Gronk, Hernandez, V. Davis, Pitta & A. Gates.
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[quote name='runamuk' timestamp='1361891783' post='1369671']
I doubt that Te'o looked kinda jiggly and slow . i think that was a gut reaction by harbs. i was kinda shocked i had started to buy into his hype .
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I was just kidding, but then again I wouldnt put a lot of stock into a 40 for a linebacker. Burfict ran a 5.00+ and played pretty darn well last year.
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I don't think Flacco will follow Brady's lead but he shouldn't have to Flacco earned a big contract and is also entering his prime Joe earned it pay da man
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[quote name='steelraven' timestamp='1361904391' post='1369990']
I don't care what anybody says if you don't participate in all workouts at the combine, you have something to hide. He lost 10 lbs to run a faster 40 and he still ran a slow time and didn't bench press. People say the 40 is overrated for LB's, well tell that to the teams who have to have their LB's cover TE's like Jimmy Graham, Gronk, Hernandez, V. Davis, Pitta & A. Gates.
[/quote]i like to see you go in their and lift with a bad shoulder then you can have a say in what these guys do
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[quote name='jrs034' timestamp='1361907620' post='1370044']
I don't think Flacco will follow Brady's lead but he shouldn't have to Flacco earned a big contract and is also entering his prime Joe earned it pay da man
[/quote] yes he earned it but if he wants to keep winning he has to realize that helping his team out will keep them on the winning side
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I don't know if harbaughs shake was disappointment or if it was saying oh he didn't get faster I don't know but the 40 is misleading anyway Te'o is quick enough and has good footwork he would be fine in coverage
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If the ravens front office provides a contract that puts most of the financial load on the back end, potentially year 3,4,5 and 6, it might help the team out as a whole. We know within about another 2-3 years, Reed will be gone, as well as boldin as well. In addition, our younger guys will or should be ready to move up and start for some of our older players and more paid players. I think once the more veteran members of the ravens start to get phased out in the next couple of years, the Flacco deal wont hurt as much.
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oh wow...im not going to go back in the comments to look, so kudos if this isnt the case...
but as is more typical around here, im sure a bunch of you have made a big deal about how "unselfish and non-greedy" Brady supposedly is and that Flacco should be the same.

To that i have two things to say:
1) RIGHT NOW (as in at this very moment and in all moments following it...which means nothing that happened prior to February 26, 2013 sahould be discussed in response to this comment) Flacco is a better quarterback than Brady and will continue to be more and more so.

2) In all actuality, all Brady did was double his payday. His old deal guaranteed him 30 mil, he now gets 60 Mil no matter what happens, not a single dime of that contract is in anyway conditional. So much for taking one for the team.
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Why would Tom Brady's contract affect Flacco's? Brady is OLD, and there is no point in giving him a 100mil contract at this point. Most starting QB's in the league make more than Joe including guys like Matt Cassel, Ryan Fitzpatrick, and even Michael Vick. Joe isn't going to take a 20 million contract, probably around 18 million dollars. Also looking at Harbs reaction he wasn't impressed at all and I'd be surprised if we draft him just based on that reaction.
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[quote name='vannlambert' timestamp='1361904279' post='1369987']
can't break it down any easer than this if Flacco wants to have a shot at the Superbowl for the next few years then he needs to not squeeze the team for every cent he can. If he is only interested in fatting his pockets and wants to be the an average QB for an average team and finish with a average record every year then the team as a whole is going to find it hard to respect a guy that cares more about money than the chance to win championships. I don't care what Tom Brady's wife makes that he can afford to do that Joe Flacco wasn't a millionaire before joining the Ravens and if he were on the Browns he still would be without a ring.Joe Flacco did not single handedly put the team on his back and win any game some of the throws he made were completed buy having awesome talents like Boldin , Smith ,Jones , Pitta & Rice that made him look like a super star, not to mention a reshuffled O-line that gave him the time he needed to allow him to stand in the pocket and make those deep throws.Im so tired of people comparing Joe to Brady or Payton that is as ludicrous as comparing Ray Lewis with James Harrison.
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You've made some good points, this is a team sport and no one player is bigger than the team. Example: Kruger's production after Suggs came back vs before. Don't get me wrong Joe is a good QB and deserves to get paid but I don't believe he should be the highest paid QB in the league. If he played over the past year or two the way he did during the play-off then maybe but his complete body of work just doesn't justify it. Besides, he had a stretch of some really low points during the season.

Maybe...pay him 16-18 mil but not 20 mil, no way they do that to the rest of the team.
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...ESPN? Lack an elite pass-rushing threat? Tell that to former DPOY T Sizzle. FYI Upshaw was a rookie, and a beast of a rookie at that. I would love to see kruger come back, but Ellerbe is hands down the next most important player we need to take care of.
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[quote name='Joe Hill' timestamp='1361907706' post='1370046']
i like to see you go in their and lift with a bad shoulder then you can have a say in what these guys do
[/quote]What shoulder injury? Dion Jordan has a shoulder injury, which he's about to go have surgery to repair, and stinger that happened over a month ago is not a shoulder injury.
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[quote name='HoldingCall' timestamp='1361909192' post='1370103']
You've made some good points, this is a team sport and no one player is bigger than the team. Example: Kruger's production after Suggs came back vs before. Don't get me wrong Joe is a good QB and deserves to get paid but I don't believe he should be the highest paid QB in the league. If he played over the past year or two the way he did during the play-off then maybe but his complete body of work just doesn't justify it. Besides, he had a stretch of some really low points during the season.

Maybe...pay him 16-18 mil but not 20 mil, no way they do that to the rest of the team.
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wait...so youre saying Kruger owes his production to Suggs returning, and then in the same breath are completely unwilling to acknowledge the effect the general lack of offense on the team has had on Joe's production.
We didnt get Joe a receiving corps (who still needed a lil time to develop) until 2 years ago, and Jacoby and Caldwell only got here before we started this season. Our offense literally changed whole sale over the past year, come on man.
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Im angry by this Flacco's contract situation, I'm a Huge Fan of Flacco since we drafted him, but Linta is bad...
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[quote name='riseNConquer81' timestamp='1361908027' post='1370064']
In all actuality, all Brady did was double his payday. His old deal guaranteed him 30 mil, he now gets 60 Mil no matter what happens, not a single dime of that contract is in anyway conditional. So much for taking one for the team.
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I'm not sure if the numbers are 100% correct, but the sentiment is right on target. What Brady did was get himself a sweetheart deal, in terms of how much money he is guaranteed. Do these people covering this stuff, who get paid rather handsomely to be experts in the sport, like Peter King, just want to glorify guys like Brady, or are they just ignorant?

For the press to sit there and laud him as some altruistic, saint-like, team guy when his contract is loaded full of guarantee is stunningly naive. Do you really think he's going to short himself 9M per year without getting something on the other end?

OK - it is "team friendly" in that the team has received some cap relief ... but the team is also taking a major risk as they are now 100% handcuffed with Brady for the next 3 years.
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flacco 1st, kruger 2nd, ellerbe 3rd, mckinnie 4th. as far as boldin and reed go i believe boldin is more important than reed but it depends on them willing to restructure or accepting a lesser deal to remain here, if not than they can either retire or play elsewhere. as much as it hurts to lose the veterans and players we like we must move forward with the youth movement. go ravens.
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i understand that agents jobs are to get the most for there clients so they can get there percentage of the pie but linta is bad for football.
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[quote name='balfan23' timestamp='1361910822' post='1370140']
I'm not sure if the numbers are 100% correct, but the sentiment is right on target. What Brady did was get himself a sweetheart deal, in terms of how much money he is guaranteed. Do these people covering this stuff, who get paid rather handsomely to be experts in the sport, like Peter King, just want to glorify guys like Brady, or are they just ignorant?

For the press to sit there and laud him as some altruistic, saint-like, team guy when his contract is loaded full of guarantee is stunningly naive. Do you really think he's going to short himself 9M per year without getting something on the other end?

OK - it is "team friendly" in that the team has received some cap relief ... but the team is also taking a major risk as they are now 100% handcuffed with Brady for the next 3 years.
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I couldve read wrong. always said im not a fan of this part of the year, i dont like following numbers too much.

But yeah. The Brady cow is dry, i think the league at large as figured him out. Anybody with a legit shot at a Superbowl (minus the Texans, i dont know what their problem was late in the season) can and will beat him. They have a soft division, so they'll always do well in the regular season with the team as is, but they gotta make some major changes somewhere if they want a superbowl again. Brady cant do it by himself...not sure he ever really has. when they were winning earlier in the decade Brady wasnt even as good as he is now.
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[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1361902476' post='1369960']
Well, I don't drink and it annoys me way more to be surrounded by a bunch of drunk off their butt loud mouths shouting profanities at the game. Especially when my children were little. I don't see anything being done about that though. No, because it's all about the all mighty dollar.

We are talking about an open air venue and the smoke goes straight up. Where they went wrong was making it non-smoking out in the open air and forcing the smoke inside where people had to walk through it.
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"Drunk off their butt loud mouths shouting profanities" don't increase your risk of heart disease, emphysema, and cancer. They also don't stick to your clothes and make them smell horrible for the next several days. Even if it's outside, no one should have to be smoked on. It's disgusting and unhealthy. When people drink, the people sitting around them are not physically affected, which is why it is ridiculous to compare it to smoking around other people. The alcohol enters their body, and only their body. When people smoke, even if it's outside, it's going to get on people around them, and it sticks to you. When they go home, they will still smell smoky. Also, there are plenty of sober loud mouths who shout profanities, so it's not like alcohol is totally to blame for that.
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[quote name='riseNConquer81' timestamp='1361912313' post='1370168']
I couldve read wrong. always said im not a fan of this part of the year, i dont like following numbers too much.

But yeah. The Brady cow is dry, i think the league at large as figured him out. Anybody with a legit shot at a Superbowl (minus the Texans, i dont know what their problem was late in the season) can and will beat him. They have a soft division, so they'll always do well in the regular season with the team as is, but they gotta make some major changes somewhere if they want a superbowl again. Brady cant do it by himself...not sure he ever really has. when they were winning earlier in the decade Brady wasnt even as good as he is now.
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It was your point about the level of guaranteed money that was significant (I think I'm seeing 57M). That was your point and it was right on - for some reason, people seem to be glossing over that little detail.

King is "gushing" about what a swell guy this Brady is. PLEASE. Oh, yes - it is all about the team ... and of course guaranteeing that - unlike most NFL players - I will actually bank all the money that the team has written down on paper. What a martyr.
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[quote name='Free Agent' timestamp='1361890296' post='1369640']
That was just a smokescreen. Harbs wants Te'o to fall to the end of the 1st.
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... and how exactly do you think Harbaugh's reaction will affect other franchises' decisions? "[i]Well, I'd love to pick this Te'o guy, but remember, Harbaugh wasn't happy with his 40, so let's just drop him[/i]"?

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On another not, you gotta love how lots of fans just think they can make remarks on Flacco's agent and his job based on ... what info exactly?

... and this will go on, all offseason...

You guys have no info, so saying things like he's bad for football or that he's too hungry - that's just childish. You're just as little informed as any of us. You cannot have the info to make such claims. Sure, you can all write whatever you want - but that's still clueless ranting on someone you know nothing about...

Go on, neg me, i couldn't care less. I know how much your opinion is worth.

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And what did Te'o do after this? He made excuses, "It's been a long day...I'm tired!" Dude this is the opportunity of YOUR LIFE...suck it up. You had 300 lb LINEMEN running faster than 4.8 (in fact, 16 of them equaled or bettered 4.8). I teach and if I was told I'd get paid thousands of $$$ to write an essay, I'd write the hell out of that paper. To me, he's mentally fragile in so many ways. If he turns out to be great, good for him, but I don't like him for the Ravens. It's not my call but something is still amiss with this guy.
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BTW, no offense to Mrs. Flacco but does she make $10 million every time she inhales a breadth? Brady's wife does, so I don't think Tom is hurting for money. He's not as "neighborly" a Samaritan as some might think. It's all about ego with him. He wants another ring so he can blab off about being the best ever in comparison to his boyhood idol, Montana.
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[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1361902476' post='1369960']
[size=4]We are talking about an open air venue and the smoke goes straight up. Where they went wrong was making it non-smoking out in the open air and forcing the smoke inside where people had to walk through it.[/size]
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yep, smoke goes "straight up"...and water stays in the same shape as the bottle it came in even after you pour it out. you know, since we're rewriting basic the basic physical properties of matter to suit our purposes...
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[quote name='balfan23' timestamp='1361913640' post='1370192']
It was your point about the level of guaranteed money that was significant (I think I'm seeing 57M). That was your point and it was right on - for some reason, people seem to be glossing over that little detail.

King is "gushing" about what a swell guy this Brady is. PLEASE. Oh, yes - it is all about the team ... and of course guaranteeing that - unlike most NFL players - I will actually bank all the money that the team has written down on paper. What a martyr.
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yeah i know what you were saying. i was just expanding on your point about being handcuffed to Brady. Lot of people will think thats not such a horrible thing. In a lot of ways its not: you could do well worse, and your team will keeo making money and be contenders for a while and stay in the playoffs. Just wont be Superbowl contenders. And if Brady ever becomes unserviceable for any reason, they're stuck hoping Mallet can be a starter immediately.
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[quote name='trayRaves' timestamp='1361914327' post='1370218']
And what did Te'o do after this? He made excuses, "It's been a long day...I'm tired!" Dude this is the opportunity of YOUR LIFE...suck it up. You had 300 lb LINEMEN running faster than 4.8 (in fact, 16 of them equaled or bettered 4.8). I teach and if I was told I'd get paid thousands of $$$ to write an essay, I'd write the hell out of that paper. To me, he's mentally fragile in so many ways. If he turns out to be great, good for him, but I don't like him for the Ravens. It's not my call but something is still amiss with this guy.
[/quote]i agree . all the other guys had the same rigirous schedule. He may be good but not a raven .
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Some of the drunks are fun to watch as long as they are not puking lol

I hope Flacco get the deal done this weekend
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The Ravens can't pay Joe,keep ED,Paul and Danelle..................unless Joe Flacco can accept a deal that "GIVES" salary cap room the next two years and has real guarenteed money over 5-6 years that make him one of the highest paid QBs in the NFL. Joe never seemed greedy or that he needed gaudy numbers to prove his worth. Give him a fair equitable deal that shows how much the Raven brass "WANTS" Joe and a steady playoff team & Super Bowl contender. Joe deserves "ALL" the money,will he be willing to spread out a guareentee for the team's future that pays him less than much worse QBs will be paid the next two years? Joe deserves TOP money,HE EARNED IT! Ozzie show him the love and PAY HIM NOW!! Joe Flacco is the RAVENS!!
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[quote name='bioLarzen' timestamp='1361913721' post='1370193']
... and how exactly do you think Harbaugh's reaction will affect other franchises' decisions? "[i]Well, I'd love to pick this Te'o guy, but remember, Harbaugh wasn't happy with his 40, so let's just drop him[/i]"?

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It was my poor attempt at a joke. Obviously each team has their own opinion on Te'o, and has him graded accordingly.

But as I said in another post, I don't put much stock in a 40 time for a middle linebacker. I'm much more interested in his game speed than his speed when he's running 40 yards in a straight line without pads on.
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If Te'o played up to his hype vs. Alabama, I would have no problem with this kid. Yet, he got absolutely destroyed.

This combine was his time to shine. He started off well with the press conference, but then tanked a few (key) drills. I'll pass.
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I wouldn't touch Catfish with a ten foot pole - guy is damaged goods and the Danny Wuerfel of college football defenses.
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%u201CThe Ravens lack an elite pass-rushing threat on their roster without him.%u201D I just can't believe they said that. What about Terrell Suggs? As far as I know, Kruger didn't produce until Suggs was back. If there is an elite pass rushing treat on this time, it's T-Sizzle, playing at 100% of course. It seems that they forgot that Suggs won Defensive Player of the Year not that long ago. He would have had another terrific season last year if he hadn't teared his Achilles.
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Geez. The hype from the Combine about the "measurables" seems much worse this year. Heck, I can run the 40 dash in less than five. First thing in the morning. Barefoot and blind(folded). Without a tailwind. Carrying hot coffee and a munchie. [I'm at least twice as fast as Popeye] [no, sami, no rocket - just rocket fuel] Anyone who can't do it in less than five minutes needs to 1) drastically change their training regimen and 2) really rethink their desire to be a pro athlete.
Seriously. I think the deepness of this year's draft and the pretty much league-wide tightness of Cap room (even though rookies are contracted separately, first-year Cap-wise) is making everyone nitpick. Flip side is that because of the size of rookie contracts nowadays, making a glaring mistake like KB or a serious misstep like Sergio really hurts longterm. Interviews, workouts, the measurables, the physicals all count but I think game tapes will always be the biggest factor. Having DIGITAL game tapes is a huge improvement in scouting.
Curiosity: What were Torrey's measurables? Haloti? Ray (way back when)? I'm too tired from my dash to try to look them up....
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And yet, Arrow, NFL-ready players from Alabama DESTROYED him in game situations. The why (stress) simply doesn't matter. The Ravens will look to add lineman or a LB that can cover. I bet he is a value pick at the end of Rd. 3 for the Ravens at best.
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[quote name='riseNConquer81' timestamp='1361910496' post='1370131']
wait...so youre saying Kruger owes his production to Suggs returning, and then in the same breath are completely unwilling to acknowledge the effect the general lack of offense on the team has had on Joe's production.
We didnt get Joe a receiving corps (who still needed a lil time to develop) until 2 years ago, and Jacoby and Caldwell only got here before we started this season. Our offense literally changed whole sale over the past year, come on man.
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Thanks for backing up my point that it is a team sport. Suggs' return did help Kruger by affecting the success of how the defense scheme attacked opposing teams up front. The proof is in both game results and Kruger's production. But of course Kruger had to be a beast to get it done.

And yes..Joe had tough times along with the rest of the offense, again proving that Joe is as good as the team that surrounds him. Even Suggs acknowledged that much of his success of a year ago had to do with Ngata on the line.

I would have no problem with the amount to pay Joe if the money was available but it isn't. So, My concerns is how much of the team may need to be dissolved to pay one person.

Imagine the fix the FO would be in if Carey Williams had signed his deal. Not a concern for the agent but it is a concern for the front office.

While the Agent only represents Joe in these negotiations the F/O must represent the entire team. Can you think of another reason no agreement has been agreed upon at this time?
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[quote name='Jfravens' timestamp='1361910550' post='1370133']
Im angry by this Flacco's contract situation, I'm a Huge Fan of Flacco since we drafted him, but Linta is bad...
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Linta is just doing his job. It is his job to talk up his player to the world. It is Ozzie & Pat's job to bring team reality to the negotiations. What I don't understand is how an agent can represent multiple free agents of the same team at the same time. What he gets for Joe automatically limits what he can get for his other clients. How is that not a legal conflict of interest?
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we simply need to offer Flacco like 10 million a year (still more than hes probably worth, and surely more than any other team will pony up for his talents) and keep the likes of Ellerbe, Jacobi & Bolden who were all paramount in our run. heck with Jacobi (rightful MVP of SB)or Bolden, we don't even see the conference championship. I like Flacco, but he isn't Brady or Rodgers or Brees, heck is not even Manning. we cannot afford to destroy this team just because he wants top money. It still comes down to supply and demand, and no other team would pay him top dollar
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[quote name='HoldingCall' timestamp='1361962524' post='1371113']
Thanks for backing up my point that it is a team sport. Suggs' return did help Kruger by affecting the success of how the defense scheme attacked opposing teams up front. The proof is in both game results and Kruger's production. But of course Kruger had to be a beast to get it done.

And yes..Joe had tough times along with the rest of the offense, again proving that Joe is as good as the team that surrounds him. Even Suggs acknowledged that much of his success of a year ago had to do with Ngata on the line.

I would have no problem with the amount to pay Joe if the money was available but it isn't. So, My concerns is how much of the team may need to be dissolved to pay one person.

Imagine the fix the FO would be in if Carey Williams had signed his deal. Not a concern for the agent but it is a concern for the front office.

While the Agent only represents Joe in these negotiations the F/O must represent the entire team. Can you think of another reason no agreement has been agreed upon at this time?
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how is the money not available? if that were the case he'd already be gone, there would be no negotiation.

no, your point has nothing to do with a team dynamic, youre trying to apply a double standard and say Joe doesnt deserve to get paid for his performance despite the fact that over the past 5 years he's been doing the most with the least. you dont get to color your evaluation of Kruger with the presence of other players and then turn around and act like Joe's rough patches are ALL on him and had nothing to do with the underpowered shaky receiver corps he inherited when he got drafted or the conservative play calling of his OC. The problem with attempting to link everybody's performance together is that the theory doesnt hold up when you replace Joe with say Blaine Gabbert, or Jamarcus Russell. Joe is as good as Joe is period. the fact that he needs capable WRs to finish the plays he makes doesnt make him any less talented a QB. In reality, many of Joe's more negative stats (not all) are more reflective on the receiver than him. Everytime a WR drops a ball that counts as an incomplete pass for Joe. Every time a receiver screws up a route and the defender doesnt, that counts as a pick against Joe. you cant dock Joe's pay because the receiver play is bad. Do you go to your boss at the end of the performance year and tell him to pay you less because all your peers werent performing as well as you? no. why not? because that doesnt make any sense.

see your problem is youre missing the entire point of the salary cap.
its DESIGNED to force talent-loaded teams to share the wealth; let go of talent to balance the competition. You're gonna have to get over it, we cant keep everybody, we never will...not if we continue to be consistently successful. That's why we pay a bunch of dudes in the Front Office to be REALLY REALLY good at finding new talent...because we'll always constantly need it.
the only teams that can afford to keep their entire roster intact year in and year out are the ones who dont even know how to spell playoffs.
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[quote name='riseNConquer81' timestamp='1362178512' post='1373724']
how is the money not available? if that were the case he'd already be gone, there would be no negotiation.

no, your point has nothing to do with a team dynamic, youre trying to apply a double standard and say Joe doesnt deserve to get paid for his performance despite the fact that over the past 5 years he's been doing the most with the least. you dont get to color your evaluation of Kruger with the presence of other players and then turn around and act like Joe's rough patches are ALL on him and had nothing to do with the underpowered shaky receiver corps he inherited when he got drafted or the conservative play calling of his OC. The problem with attempting to link everybody's performance together is that the theory doesnt hold up when you replace Joe with say Blaine Gabbert, or Jamarcus Russell. Joe is as good as Joe is period. the fact that he needs capable WRs to finish the plays he makes doesnt make him any less talented a QB. In reality, many of Joe's more negative stats (not all) are more reflective on the receiver than him. Everytime a WR drops a ball that counts as an incomplete pass for Joe. Every time a receiver screws up a route and the defender doesnt, that counts as a pick against Joe. you cant dock Joe's pay because the receiver play is bad. Do you go to your boss at the end of the performance year and tell him to pay you less because all your peers werent performing as well as you? no. why not? because that doesnt make any sense.

see your problem is youre missing the entire point of the salary cap.
its DESIGNED to force talent-loaded teams to share the wealth; let go of talent to balance the competition. You're gonna have to get over it, we cant keep everybody, we never will...not if we continue to be consistently successful. That's why we pay a bunch of dudes in the Front Office to be REALLY REALLY good at finding new talent...because we'll always constantly need it.
the only teams that can afford to keep their entire roster intact year in and year out are the ones who dont even know how to spell playoffs.
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It seems you've missed the point! This the new face of the NFL. 53 men on a roster and 1/6 - 1/7 of available salary goes to one player; a true pyramid scheme. I totally understand it is by design but I do not agree with it.

I stated a few days ago that I thought Joe should be offered 16-18 million per year tops. You obviously disagree but to call that not getting paid is laughable.

The team just overpaid Flacco imo but they are not the first team to overpay. Don't be surprised if Joe spends a lot more time getting off the turf next season.
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[quote name='HoldingCall' timestamp='1362195572' post='1374553']
It seems you've missed the point! This the new face of the NFL. 53 men on a roster and 1/6 - 1/7 of available salary goes to one player; a true pyramid scheme. I totally understand it is by design but I do not agree with it.

I stated a few days ago that I thought Joe should be offered 16-18 million per year tops. You obviously disagree but to call that not getting paid is laughable.

The team just overpaid Flacco imo but they are not the first team to overpay. Don't be surprised if Joe spends a lot more time getting off the turf next season.
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1st off, Joe's cap number is 6.8 Mil out of 123.9, which translates to about 5.5%, nowhere near 1/7 which is a little over 14%.

second, i never said 16-18 million was getting paid but

third, (im assuming you just forgot) 16-18 million is what he turned down before the season started. and since then he won a Super Bowl. so whether i agree or not is beside the point. The Ravens already set his value as a perennial playoff QB with no superbowl victories within that range prior to the season, and Joe proved he was worth more than they thought at the time that value was set. thus your wishful thinking of 16-18 mil was never going to even come close to happening. the only real choices they had at this point aside from 20 mil a year is MORE than 20 mil a year.

Finally, its not Joe's job to keep him off the turf, thats what the O line is for, so that didnt even make sense.
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