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John Harbaugh's reaction to Manti Te'o's 40 yard dash

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Saw this on twitter, hilarious.
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He doesn't look too impressed.

More official link: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-combine/0ap2000000145057/Te-o-disappoints-Harbaugh?campaign=Twitter_videos_harbaugh
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I was watching that too and the minute I saw his reaction I thought to myself rut rohhhhh! He really didn't seem impressed at all, but the jury is still out. I really don't have a dawg in the Te"o fight, I'm kinda on the fence with this guy. Maybe Harbs was pulling "a fake 'em out" move since he was aware he and the other coaches were being watched, but it didn't look it...it looked like a natural gut reaction to me. We'll see!
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Teo just doesn't have much explosion. He looked slow in the Alabama game and needed to show he could his that next gear in his 40 yard dash. He topped out half way through and looked like he was struggling to even maintain his speed. People think the 40 is a joke now because of teams like the Raiders who draft solely based on it's results, but it is a great drill to help confirm or deny what people know.

I liked the guy a lot but he missed a lot of tackles in some of his bigger games and lacking explosiveness and especially slow sideline to sideline speed is a problem.
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[color=#333333][font=verdana, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]At least nine defensive linemen ran faster times than Te'o. Many were expecting Te'o to run in the 4.75 range. He also declined to do the bench press because of a shoulder injury. So that hurts him. However, he was supposedly solid in the other drills.[/size][/font][/color]
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I said before but to me Teo looks like AJ Hawk. Limited athletically to the point he'd get eaten up in coverage by TEs manned up.

Teo is a LB from the early 2000s, big and bulky without much fluidity in my eyes. Also, I dont know what it is but so many of those Samoan/Tongan guys are massive but not really in the greatest shape. You can see Teo's little gut flopping about as he runs, he just seems softly built.
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harbaugh's reaction speaks for itself, not impressed and although there are some players out there that have game speed (speed that shows up on gameday) his stock either has or will continue to slide. now John doesn't have the final say in whose best , but he does have some input. just basing off of what I see here, Ravens will pass on their pick.
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[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1361828751' post='1368632']
I said before but to me Teo looks like AJ Hawk. Limited athletically to the point he'd get eaten up in coverage by TEs manned up.

Teo is a LB from the early 2000s, big and bulky without much fluidity in my eyes. Also, I dont know what it is but so many of those Samoan/Tongan guys are massive but not really in the greatest shape. You can see Teo's little gut flopping about as he runs, he just seems softly built.
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woah, little harsh don't you think. Look I think he's been overrated. And the AJ Hawk comparison might be aptly put if not a compliment.

there are several Somoan players in good shape.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A69Z8fCpuAI
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It looks to me John didn't have much sleep...lol...he looks like he stays up all week for the draft cuz we are really 5 weeks behind the league..
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[quote name='Ravensuperfan1' timestamp='1361829379' post='1368656']
woah, little harsh don't you think. Look I think he's been overrated. And the AJ Hawk comparison might be aptly put if not a compliment.

there are several Somoan players in good shape.

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A69Z8fCpuAI[/media]
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Well I didn't say all of them lol. Obviously there are Samoan athletes in great shape. Ngata for being 350 pounds is no slob really.
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looks like allot of raven fans are going to be disappointed Harbs is definitely not interested . he just looked flabby and slow to me
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[quote name='redravenfan' timestamp='1361830639' post='1368692']
looks like allot of raven fans are going to be disappointed Harbs is definitely not interested . he just looked flabby and slow to me
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I think that's an understatement. It seems like John was hoping he would show some sort of reason to pick him but it never showed up. Like he was hoping he would run a solid 40 and show some burst/speed but it just never came.
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[quote name='berad' timestamp='1361831442' post='1368719']
Ray Lewis he is not...
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NaVorro Bowman he's not.

Even with him taking his game to the next level as a senior, I never thought he was comparable to Patrick Willis, and he's the one ILB drafted in recent seasons that could justify being such a pick.
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[quote name='dhstandard' timestamp='1361833354' post='1368774']
I think that's an understatement. It seems like John was hoping he would show some sort of reason to pick him but it never showed up. Like he was hoping he would run a solid 40 and show some burst/speed but it just never came.
[/quote]i was hoping he would i never expected what i saw ...runner up heisman .i don't get it I don't watch notre dame but reading post here i thought wow he is baby ray lewis ..........really?
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[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1361833616' post='1368782']
NaVorro Bowman he's not.

Even with him taking his game to the next level as a senior, I never thought he was comparable to Patrick Willis, and he's the one ILB drafted in recent seasons that could justify being such a pick.
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Absolutely. Someone said AJ Hawk, I think that's fair. Not the second coming, as he was labeled
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Harbs is probably blown they caught that on camera though. Seems more like he was excited about the kid and that was a look of disappointment than anything else.
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Hopefully this will keep everyone from mocking Te'o to us simply because they they need some team to dump the "character concerns" guys on.
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We have two months until the draft. Who knows what we will do. The Ravens are almost unpredictable. I really don't think we will draft Te'o. I have been disappointed by Te'o since the BCS championship game. If he can't handle Alabama's speed he can't handle NFL speed. We all know Ozzie was watching the Alabama game (huge Alabama fan). I have full trust that Ozzie will draft the right guy whether its Te'o or not. Ozzie knows best.
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[quote name='AsianRice' timestamp='1361830078' post='1368674']
It looks to me John didn't have much sleep...lol...he looks like he stays up all week for the draft cuz we are really 5 weeks behind the league..
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It kind of reminded me of those before and after photos that they show of nfl head coaches (and presidents). You kow, when they show them all bright eyed and bushy tailed, and then boom, they become head coaches for a few years and it looks like they aged by decades.

Anyways, I hate to sound like a T'eo fan, but 40 times are not exactly the best predictors in the world.
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[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1361828751' post='1368632']
I said before but to me Teo looks like AJ Hawk. Limited athletically to the point he'd get eaten up in coverage by TEs manned up.

Teo is a LB from the early 2000s, big and bulky without much fluidity in my eyes. Also, I dont know what it is but so many of those Samoan/Tongan guys are massive but not really in the greatest shape. You can see Teo's little gut flopping about as he runs, he just seems softly built.
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Also notice his arms jiggling a bit. Too bad Minter's been tearing it up.
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I like the kid. I think it's sad he was caught up in a hoax that could potentially impact the rest of his life. But I also think you can rise above such issues. Was his 40 time great? No, but he isn't that bad of a player.
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[quote name='AsianRice' timestamp='1361830078' post='1368674']
It looks to me John didn't have much sleep...lol...he looks like he stays up all week for the draft cuz we are really 5 weeks behind the league..
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Could be, but it also could be that he's just getting older. When you reach a certain age obviously (not there yet but feel like it some days), your metabolism and everything else starts to slow down. You look and feel older. Even the young looking ones eventually begin to look aged. ;) He doesn't always look his age, but the guy is 50 now, so.. :)
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I see Te'o as a lot of hype. He is a very average athlete and when he played an NFL caliber team in Alabama, he was dominated. The comparison to A.J. Hawk is very accurate, but I actually think Hawk might be a better football player. Te'o is just not the dominate player he is built up to be... Just look at his numbers.
Anyway, if we are able to retain Ellerbe, I don't see ILB as a huge pressing need. Of corse we can use all of the LBs we can get, and Ellerbe and McClain have both battled injuries, but this draft class is STACKED we lb talent. I think our higher draft picks should be used in other areas. Mainly LT and NT.
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I still see Teo as a good blue chip player. Unfortunately, that impression of Harbaugh look like he was not impressed @ all.

Maybe Teo will drop far enough for us to pick him up @ later rounds. Who knows?
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[quote name='darklight1216' timestamp='1361835620' post='1368838']
It kind of reminded me of those before and after photos that they show of nfl head coaches (and presidents). You kow, when they show them all bright eyed and bushy tailed, and then boom, they become head coaches for a few years and it looks like they aged by decades.

Anyways, I hate to sound like a T'eo fan, but 40 times are not exactly the best predictors in the world.
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But they do help confirm and deny certain beliefs about players. He showed he lacks burst and speed. He topped out half way through and his acceleration to that point was laughable.
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I laugh at all the reaction to Te'o time. This is exactly what I expected, not exact numbers but this type performance. High 4.7's with about a 1.63ish 10 yard split. He's not a great athlete, but he's instinctive and does a great job reading.

His on field drills were better then his forty and even that doesn't show the player Te'o is. He'll be graded more for tape and intangibles, then athletic ability, which the combine is. The debate on Te'o is if he can be a 3 down player. If he can't then he won't be a high 1st rounder. 15-20 is considered high for a ILBer. Te'o was never a top 10 pick and he's always been unfairly compared to Ray. He is no Ray Lewis, no one is, Willis included.

Imo Te'o showed exactly what he is and has always been. An average to above average athlete who'll be better in zone coverage then man coverage. Unless you think the Ravens base there entire draft process on the 40 then Harbs' reaction means nothing. Its just something to talk about.

Te'o is a guy that you'll have to bring into your facility and drill hard. There's not much risk at 32 for the Ravens or in the 2nd round for anyone. The questions Te'o had to answer was whether he's a top draft pick, which should never have been a question. For a team looking for a Ray Lewis type franchise leader would have been foolish to select anyone on those merits. However; someone looking to draft a good player that adds to your team, Te'o is a good fit.
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Like some have mentioned; I don't have a dog in the Te'o fights. SO if we get him, then I hope we can work with him. My only concern with him is his coverage.

But in saying that, remember that Burfict too ran a slow as molasses 40? He ended up having a pretty decent year for the Cats.

Plus Te'O looks every bit and if not more, the instinctive player that made Burfict rise up s much in people's stock on him.



Also; this should be the RaneNation "SMH" replacement. :P
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[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1361828751' post='1368632']
You can see Teo's little gut flopping about as he runs, he just seems softly built.
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I thought this too.
Wouldn't you think he would be in better condition?
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[quote name='EricH' timestamp='1361841161' post='1369063']
I thought this too.
Wouldn't you think he would be in better condition?
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Probably ice cream. He [i]did[/i] go through a pretty bad breakup.
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[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1361838828' post='1368958']
I laugh at all the reaction to Te'o time. This is exactly what I expected, not exact numbers but this type performance. High 4.7's with about a 1.63ish 10 yard split. He's not a great athlete, but he's instinctive and does a great job reading.

His on field drills were better then his forty and even that doesn't show the player Te'o is. He'll be graded more for tape and intangibles, then athletic ability, which the combine is. The debate on Te'o is if he can be a 3 down player. If he can't then he won't be a high 1st rounder. 15-20 is considered high for a ILBer. Te'o was never a top 10 pick and he's always been unfairly compared to Ray. He is no Ray Lewis, no one is, Willis included.

Imo Te'o showed exactly what he is and has always been. An average to above average athlete who'll be better in zone coverage then man coverage. Unless you think the Ravens base there entire draft process on the 40 then Harbs' reaction means nothing. Its just something to talk about.

Te'o is a guy that you'll have to bring into your facility and drill hard. There's not much risk at 32 for the Ravens or in the 2nd round for anyone. The questions Te'o had to answer was whether he's a top draft pick, which should never have been a question. For a team looking for a Ray Lewis type franchise leader would have been foolish to select anyone on those merits. However; someone looking to draft a good player that adds to your team, Te'o is a good fit.
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Who in their right mind takes a 2 down ILB in the first round? If this proves exactly what he was to you why would you take him at #32? Hell Ellerbe is a 3 down ILB and he was undrafted. You can find ILBs late in the draft to be a 2 down backer.

You take an ILB in the first round when he is a complete 3 down LB. Doesn't mean he's an All Pro but a 1st round ILB you shouldn't be crapping your pants every time he's in coverage.
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[quote name='NaveSenrag' timestamp='1361841312' post='1369069']
Probably ice cream. He [i]did[/i] go through a pretty bad breakup.
[/quote]:lol: :D
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[quote name='berad' timestamp='1361831442' post='1368719']
Ray Lewis he is not...
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and there will NEVER be another, not with the complete package! The work ethic, the determination, the sponge like mind, the ultimate competitor !
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[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1361841683' post='1369087']
Who in their right mind takes a 2 down ILB in the first round? If this proves exactly what he was to you why would you take him at #32? Hell Ellerbe is a 3 down ILB and he was undrafted. You can find ILBs late in the draft to be a 2 down backer.

You take an ILB in the first round when he is a complete 3 down LB. Doesn't mean he's an All Pro but a 1st round ILB you shouldn't be crapping your pants every time he's in coverage.
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I don't see Teo as a two down player. You dont rack up 7 picks as a linebacker on accident
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[quote name='H8R' timestamp='1361847119' post='1369249']
and there will NEVER be another, not with the complete package! The work ethic, the determination, the sponge like mind, the ultimate competitor !
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And a true leader of men. Often imitated, never duplicated.
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[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1361847194' post='1369254']


I don't see Teo as a two down player. You dont rack up 7 picks as a linebacker on accident
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7 picks against scrub QBs.
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[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1361838828' post='1368958']
I laugh at all the reaction to Te'o time. This is exactly what I expected, not exact numbers but this type performance. High 4.7's with about a 1.63ish 10 yard split. He's not a great athlete, but he's instinctive and does a great job reading.

His on field drills were better then his forty and even that doesn't show the player Te'o is. He'll be graded more for tape and intangibles, then athletic ability, which the combine is. The debate on Te'o is if he can be a 3 down player. If he can't then he won't be a high 1st rounder. 15-20 is considered high for a ILBer. Te'o was never a top 10 pick and he's always been unfairly compared to Ray. He is no Ray Lewis, no one is, Willis included.

Imo Te'o showed exactly what he is and has always been. An average to above average athlete who'll be better in zone coverage then man coverage. Unless you think the Ravens base there entire draft process on the 40 then Harbs' reaction means nothing. Its just something to talk about.

Te'o is a guy that you'll have to bring into your facility and drill hard. There's not much risk at 32 for the Ravens or in the 2nd round for anyone. The questions Te'o had to answer was whether he's a top draft pick, which should never have been a question. For a team looking for a Ray Lewis type franchise leader would have been foolish to select anyone on those merits. However; someone looking to draft a good player that adds to your team, Te'o is a good fit.
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Ravens drafted Webb because of his 40 time. The 40 time was so overrated that it's now underrated. People sometimes just throw it out because of how teams like the Raiders made it seem laughable. It's still one of the best measures of athleticism. Teo on those cone drills showed his ability to change direction and we all know his instincts, but he isn't very fast and not explosive. Add to that that he missed tackles that should have been easy in Alabama and he isn't the MLB we thought he was. 10 years ago he may have been good but we need faster guys as tight ends have been killing us.

Our need for the next Ray Lewis is overstated. We need more leaders as our top guys begin to be fazed out with retirement. The Steelers are a perfect example of what happens when leadership is gone. Players get lazy and the team breaks down. I can never see Teo taken seriously after the girlfriend hoax. The guy honestly believed and cared for someone he never met as much as he did. He is gullible and easily fooled.

Can you really see this guy being the next leader of the defense? I can't.
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[quote name='admartian' timestamp='1361839996' post='1368995']
Like some have mentioned; I don't have a dog in the Te'o fights. SO if we get him, then I hope we can work with him. My only concern with him is his coverage.

But in saying that, remember that Burfict too ran a slow as molasses 40? He ended up having a pretty decent year for the Cats.

Plus Te'O looks every bit and if not more, the instinctive player that made Burfict rise up s much in people's stock on him.



Also; this should be the RaneNation "SMH" replacement. :P
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Burfict was out of shape at the combine. The guy was a beast he just had major major character and effort issues. He racked up a lot of tackle sfor the Bengals but they arguably had the best D-Line in the NFL last season. From what I remember his TFL were very under the average especially for how many tackles he had.
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Meanwhile, Sean Payton is still a little rusty.

[img]http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2234189/peytonbinocs_medium.gif[/img]
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[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1361847194' post='1369254']
I don't see Teo as a two down player. You dont rack up 7 picks as a linebacker on accident
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He played almost strictly zone coverage and a lot of his INTs came off tipped balls that just fell to him. He did a good job of being alert and making the play, but he is far from a good coverage backer. There is no way he could run with RBs/TEs in man coverage.
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[quote name='GTRavens' timestamp='1361852705' post='1369386']
Meanwhile, Sean Payton is still a little rusty.
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LOL just saw that, great stuff! Dunce cap!

[img]http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/webdr01/2013/2/25/12/enhanced-buzz-11950-1361814887-9.jpg[/img]
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[quote name='H8R' timestamp='1361849744' post='1369321']
7 picks against scrub QBs.
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Not sure what that has to do with anything. Teo made the plays he was supposed to make. Which is good, since not every NFL QB is Peyton Manning.
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[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1361853348' post='1369396']
He played almost strictly zone coverage and a lot of his INTs came off tipped balls that just fell to him. He did a good job of being alert and making the play, but he is far from a good coverage backer. There is no way he could run with RBs/TEs in man coverage.
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From the games I saw, the Michigan game being the biggest one for him, he played both man and zone. If I had to guesstimate, I'd say he played a little more zone, but really, what does it matter? We play a ton of zone in our scheme, so it should be reassuring, not a knock, on Teo if he indeed played mostly zone.
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[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1361854731' post='1369423']
Not sure what that has to do with anything. Teo made the plays he was supposed to make. Which is good, since not every NFL QB is Peyton Manning.
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Having watched a lot of Te'o, he's in the right spot but he's not really great in coverage. He doesn't break well, and doesn't play the ball. He didn't have a pick before this year. But make no mistake people throw at him. And will throw more in the NFl.
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[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1361855140' post='1369434']
From the games I saw, the Michigan game being the biggest one for him, he played both man and zone. If I had to guesstimate, I'd say he played a little more zone, but really, what does it matter? We play a ton of zone in our scheme, so it should be reassuring, not a knock, on Teo if he indeed played mostly zone.
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We play a ton of zone with our LBs because they are not capable of playing man. If they were more capable in coverage it would give our defense much better flexibility.
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