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[News] Georgia Linebacker Alec Ogletree An Intriguing Option

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The talented middle linebacker could see his stock drop over off-the-field concerns.

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I really don't think we should entertain this type of off-the-field character yet. We've just recently lost the strength/ability to effectively handle this type of character. I'm referring to Ray Lewis. He was the strength, etc. to handle young players coming in w/this type of character. I just don't think we should chance it so soon. I'm even skeptical of giving Teo a shot. Bottomline for me though (and forever will be) is In Oz We Trust. Go Ravens!!! :)
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I don't mind having Ogletree fall to us, nor taking Minter or T'eo either. It will play out however the chips fall. Ozzie will take the best player on the board or trade down. The best part about being the Super Bowl champion is not having to watch the draft until it gets down to the late 20s. How many of us have stayed up late only to see us trade down?
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[quote name='10000 Watts' timestamp='1361806553' post='1368075']
I really don't think we should entertain this type of off-the-field character yet. We've just recently lost the strength/ability to effectively handle this type of character. I'm referring to Ray Lewis. He was the strength, etc. to handle young players coming in w/this type of character. I just don't think we should chance it so soon. I'm even skeptical of giving Teo a shot. Bottomline for me though (and forever will be) is In Oz We Trust. Go Ravens!!! :)
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I think you're underestimating Harbs. Our team did not become a high character team until after Harbs was hired. Lewis was here long before that and we had all kinds of knuckleheads on this team.
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I trust the Ravens coaches to iron out any off-the-field concerns. Whether we get T'eo, Minter, Ogletree, or none of the above, I trust the Ravens staff to draft the best guy.
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Don't want him. Not because of his off-field issues. Watch his tape. Yeah he can cover decent but against the run he doesn't stop people in the hole. The backs end up getting 5 yards past the line with Ogeltree dragging them down from behind. Not the kind of ILB we want. Probably a little on the small side too.
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I agree with Beasy....Harbs is the difference maker in the locker room - although losing Lewis and Birk takes out two very solid leaders who are good men first, players second. But I trust Harbs can handle a "problem child" and help turn them around...it is one of the best parts of the Ravens....
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Well, there is a big error in this article as Georgia did not run a 4-3, they ran a 3-4.

Ogletree only played a 3-4 ILB in college.
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[quote name='10000 Watts' timestamp='1361806553' post='1368075']
I really don't think we should entertain this type of off-the-field character yet. We've just recently lost the strength/ability to effectively handle this type of character. I'm referring to Ray Lewis. He was the strength, etc. to handle young players coming in w/this type of character. I just don't think we should chance it so soon. I'm even skeptical of giving Teo a shot. Bottomline for me though (and forever will be) is In Oz We Trust. Go Ravens!!! :)
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I think you're putting too much stock into the phrase "off field _______________" or the phrase "character ________"

Put this into perspective: there are let's say 32*7 kids getting drafted...224 if I can still do math in my head.

Every year you hear about character concerns. How many of those kids get into trouble? How many that no one mentioned character concerns about get into trouble. They are all 20 - 23 year olds. Something either has happened or will happen. Don't let Todd McShay sway you into judging people.

McShay said that Michael Oher had character issues at one point.

I'm not saying what you are saying is wrong, but rather pointing out the fact that even coaches (one of ours as a matter of fact), have gotten charged with this sorts of things.

Most importantly, it's all a moot point because just like you said, Oz will get it squared away if it's that guy or somebody else
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[quote name='baltimorebeatdown410' timestamp='1361807527' post='1368099']
Don't want him. Not because of his off-field issues. Watch his tape. Yeah he can cover decent but against the run he doesn't stop people in the hole. The backs end up getting 5 yards past the line with Ogeltree dragging them down from behind. Not the kind of ILB we want. Probably a little on the small side too.
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He is far better than decent in coverage which is why we need him because of the league becoming more of a passing league... Just see what the 49ers did to us most of the time in the Super Bowl. In a 3-4 defense, its the D-line's primary Job to fill the holes and the LB to make a tackle. Which is why we need a DT before a LB I think. But your point of he can't tackle because he was dragged is really not fair because every LB in the league or college has dragged a player down before even Ray Lewis. The more important thing to look at is that he was there to make the tackle regardless not lost or not hustling to the football like Kevin Minter is often caught doing.
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no sold on him or Te'o. I like what we have at LB wtih Ellerbeast and Bynes and Mclain. We need to get a beast NT or DT. It wont matter who we have in the middle LB spot if we keep geeting rolled on up the middle.
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We can all speculate but the bottom line is We have a great staff that have proven many times that we will have a solid draft. The "experts" will give us a C to B- rating but in a few years they will upgrade that to a B or an A as usual.
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Funny - seems like this is a common question that must be answered for good teams like the Ravens, given they are always drafting at the back-end of the 1st round. We took that risk with J. Smith. However, any shortcomings he's had have not been off-the-field. As always, I trust our FO will make the proper evaluations - both on off-the-field risk and on whether he really will translate to a NFL player in our scheme.

I think this is shaping up to be a very interesting draft.
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Ellerbe will be back, i will bet on it. Also, if he does come back, we may not take a LB in the first round. We need a DT, and possibly a safety. If we do go LB, I'm not sold on Teo. I wouldn't mind seeing this guy or Minter with us. But i also think we could find a gem in the mid rounds with the way the FO finds talent.
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[quote name='TorryGundy' timestamp='1361809235' post='1368137']
no sold on him or Te'o. I like what we have at LB wtih Ellerbeast and Bynes and Mclain. We need to get a beast NT or DT. It wont matter who we have in the middle LB spot if we keep geeting rolled on up the middle.
[/quote] I agree, partially. We do have a solid LB corps. But it's definitely not dominant. I don't know if drafting Te'o or Ogletree would make us that; but I would love to see another dominant MLB. Upshaw is going to be awesome, and of course we have Suggs. But our MLBs are not dominant. They're solid. So I wouldn't mind seeing us go for a MLB who would eventually become next "feared" man in purple and black.

Who knows, though? With Oz, you never know what tricks he has up his sleeve. Whatever way he goes, it's all good.
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He's a good person at heart ... aren't we all? But some of us end up in jail, while others don't. Take a guy who already has these problems and start paying him millions of dollars, and is it expected to get better? Yeah, maybe he can turn the corner, but it's a serious risk.
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Just look at Ray Lewis and his off the field problems when he was a youngster and what he did later to change it.
You have 2 lives, your young one and your adult one. Time to make up your mind which one you want to live. If it's the latter, we'd be glad to give you a shot, it's what we do!
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He's a converted safety, he lacks the power and brute strength of a linebacker. He takes too long to get off blocks, and we've already seen enough of that from Jameel McClain.
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[quote name='RavenInWoodlawn' timestamp='1361808153' post='1368113']
Well, there is a big error in this article as Georgia did not run a 4-3, they ran a 3-4.

Ogletree only played a 3-4 ILB in college.
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You beat me to it. Georgia played a 3-4 defense so that actually works out perfectly. I doubt he is around by pick 32 anyway so this article is moot.
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I honestly think DT should be what we go after first. If we can find a guy who can eat up blocks and actually rush the passer somewhat, then our LB's jobs become a lot easier.
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LB 40 yrd Dash

Ogletree 4.62, Now he is a safety transferring to LB last 2 years so he's smaller build but he is a replicate of Ellerbe Plays Pass Coverage Extremely well, lightning fast, and could be a hands down 4-3 pass rusher..

If he slides because of DUI and off field issues I like this Pick..
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I've read on this site that Ravens have 11 draft picks come April. I say cash some of them in and draft 5 high quality players (quality over quantity). As Ozzie said, we need NT/DT, ILB, S plus o-line. Fill that shopping list with quality and Ravens will be good to go.
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[quote name='TorryGundy' timestamp='1361809235' post='1368137']
no sold on him or Te'o. I like what we have at LB wtih Ellerbeast and Bynes and Mclain. We need to get a beast NT or DT. It wont matter who we have in the middle LB spot if we keep geeting rolled on up the middle.
[/quote]i agree with you . Bynes looked really good to me this past season after te'o ran the 40 harbs was shaking his head no ,,,,doesn't look like he is sold on him either .
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these times mean nothing. its all about football speed and teo minter and ogletree have it. i personally like minter but if a dt or safety are the best positions available when its are pick than go for it. a solid d-line that picks up blockers makes average lb's better. yes we need ilb's but there will be several to choose from and a run stuffing d-lineman is a must. i do not see us drafting wr tavon austin with our 1st pick. yes he would add another dimension to the offense but the defense and LT must be the priority.
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He's not going to be there at 32 but Te'o or possibly Minter will but I feel that if Jesse Williams is still available they should go the NT rote than wait till the second round to snag a LB there's going to be good value you there with Kevin Reddick and Nico Johnson
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Well, i think these are the kinds of issues I believe a good locker room community - and a healthy franchise environment - can easily fix.

The problem is that other franchises know too that these things aren't deal-breakers, and he's too good a talent to pass on. Someone will tkae hime before we could, IMHO.

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[quote name='Bruce_Almty' timestamp='1361820808' post='1368430']
I've read on this site that Ravens have 11 draft picks come April. I say cash some of them in and draft 5 high quality players (quality over quantity). As Ozzie said, we need NT/DT, ILB, S plus o-line. Fill that shopping list with quality and Ravens will be good to go.
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Indeed - we do have a lot to work with. I don't know if we'll trade to the extent to reduce that number to 5 picks, but we have the latitude to make some moves.

In the end, we don't necessarily have to wonder whether a player will "fall to us at 32". We may just need for someone we are head-over-heels about to fall into the mid 20s. If we feel the separation between that guy and who we will likely be left with at 32 is significant, we can make a deal, jump someone and get the guy we really want.
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Just to give people a heads up for people saying oh draft a beast DT upfront there are two problems with that. Number 1 this draft is EXTREMELY deep at the OL and DL, so there is a high possibility that 1st round picks fall to the 2nd or third rounds. Kinda like last years draft with WRs. Thats how we got Tommy Streeter in the 6th round, he was projected to be a 3rd or 4th round pick, so expect something like that to happen just with the OL and DL. The 2nd problem is a guy named Mt.Cody, yes I watched him get man handled with year upfront and he was a big reason why are linebackers and defense in general got eaten up in the run game. I do feel like we will get someone in the latter rounds but give this guy another chance, He showed alot of potential in 2011 and his rookie year in 2010. (look back to the Chiefs Wildcard game.) I say we dont give up on him yet but we light a fire under his but and draft someone that falls to us in the latter rounds, i.e a John Jenkins.
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Arthur Brown from Kansas State is a better fit and better player overall. He is the next Bobby Wagner, perhaps better. Ogletree will be a late 2nd - early 3rd round pick based on his tackling skills (slightly below avg) and character (DUI).
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Question for the Ravens nation. If Utah defensive tackle Lotulelei fell down the draft board because of the red flag from his heart condition. Do the Ravens jump up with a trade and take Lotulelei, and have him and Ngata dominate the middle for years to come.
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[quote name='GoldRaven' timestamp='1361830821' post='1368696']
Can someone show me a video of Coach Harbs reaction after Te'o ran the 40?
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You can find it in this thread: http://boards.baltimoreravens.com/topic/51712-john-harbaugh-reaction-to-manti-teo-40/
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Only if he's the BPA. We need a LT. Big Mac came in last year FRESH playing aginst defenders that had been playing ALL year. Can we really expect him to perform at that level for a full season??? Me thinks not. We have got to give Joe time with the ball and Jah is simply the worst, but am quite pleased with his toe!!!
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I love Alec Ogletree, as my name probably would indicate, but if we don't get him, I don't see why we need to go for Te'o or Minter in the first round. Bart Scott, Jameel McClain, Danell Ellerbe: all undrafted free agents. So why should we draft so high at that position when our coaching staff seems to be able to work with anyone?
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Bring Sergio Kindle back at bargin basement price because Ogletree will be gone by 32. Keep Ellerbe. Nigel Carr will be a starter in B-mo A healthy Michael McAdoo can replacwe Paul Kruger......................I hope!
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Josh Bynes,Adrian Hamilton with a signed returning healthy McClain will keep Ogletree from ever falling low enough for the Ravens ti draft him. T'eo will be there, pray Ozzie doesn;t try to make him a star.
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To miss 4 games and still lead the team with 111 tackles. Whoa....!

I've said this when people bring up the issue with Ray Lewis' past. At some point the PERSONAL has to be separated from the PROFESSIONAL. NO ONE watches football because these guys are models for moral character, period. It's a gamble taking any of these guys i.e. YOUTH $$$ will always =???! Granted, you are cautious but it should be optimistically so (See Jimmy Smith et al).
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I'm pretty sure Ogletree played in a 3-4 at Georgia BTW. They ran a 3-4 scheme the past two years..
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