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[News] Late For Work 2/25: Jacoby Jones Going On 'Dancing With The Stars'

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Flacco contract talks went fine, Ravens ready to gamble on tag? Lewis at NASCAR.

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I still say what I've said all along: Flacco will receive the non-exclusive tag. The media way overhyped the theoretical possibility of another franchise luring him away. It's like it was last season when some media outlets almost saw it as a fact that a team (mostly the Pats it was) will snatch Webb - forget that some of the more sober voices tried to explain that franchises seldom ever take first round tender RFA's - and that's what happened. People should learn the limits of nfl-com's and espn's credibility. They'll always take a good story over facts and probabilities. Flacco snatched by the Browns? Great story. Flaco receiving the non-exclusive tag, still remaining in baltimore? No story. Of course they pick the first one to talk about at length...

No worries, my fellow Ravens-fans, Flacco is here to stay.

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I do agree with you bio but you also havce to remember that we are not talking about a CB. this is a franchise QB! If you can front load a contract the Ravens will not be able to match it. 2 first round picks and a front loaded contract is a very tempting option (especially for cleveland who can't seem to ever find a QB). The hype by the writers is very over blown but I also do think there is some validity to it. Remember the browns HATE us and to get a franchise QB for many many years they could very well pull the trigger. Ultimately I say don't take the gamble and just give him a great contract.
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@biolarzen...The Browns not only have a ton of money but they need to spend a ton of money as stipulated by the league's salary floor. The have good defense and the only missing piece is a QB. So it's not a stretch to think that Browns will go after Flacco if we don't secure him.
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Allthough the possibility of Flacco being scooped up by someone else is over hyped by the media, just remember what the Redskins paid for RGIII last year. Even Jay Cutler fetched 2 first rounders a couple of years ago...
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[quote name='ksk316' timestamp='1361804058' post='1368044']
@biolarzen...The Browns not only have a ton of money but they need to spend a ton of money as stipulated by the league's salary floor. The have good defense and the only missing piece is a QB. So it's not a stretch to think that Browns will go after Flacco if we don't secure him.
[/quote]They need a couple of good wide outs too.
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True. But they do have Josh Gordon and Massaqoui. If only Greg little can catch. They have a good TE and they could use Josh Cribbs well (which they haven't). With the money they have, they can go after a big named WR in the free agency and also Flacco. Just saying.
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[quote name='Elmo' timestamp='1361804375' post='1368047']
Allthough the possibility of Flacco being scooped up by someone else is over hyped by the media, just remember what the Redskins paid for RGIII last year. Even Jay Cutler fetched 2 first rounders a couple of years ago...
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True - but the Browns also had the picks and cap space to offer to the Rams if they were so badly after a franchise QB - still they never really enetered the race for the #2 pick. now, Flacco is an established QB of course, while RGIII was merely an excellent prospect, so comparing the two is necessarily flawed in Flacco's favour - but so is the price. And anyway, Flacco seems to be the type of QB who'll always be "decent" to "good" in the regular season and start shining in January - and the Browns should first get there. A great QB alone won't put them in the playoffs. A good QB plus a good RB still won't get them in the playoffs. Remember, it's the AFC North, with three perennial playoff-contenders...

So I don't think the Browns would want to start the building process with Flacco. But, of course I'm not an inch closer to the future than any of us here, so I can be only as wise about it as anyone else can - but I still think it's gonna be the non-exclusive tag. But, whicever it is, I guess the FO is in the best position to make the best possible decision - so, whichever tag type they'll use, I'll assume that's the best decision.

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im watching the combine right now, and im seeing Paul Krug's brother, joe. From what I heard, Dave Kruger, another brother of Krug is in this draft right? Cauz Im not seeing him at combine. Krugers are monsters LMAO
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I didn't talk to my wife for two weeks when she watched when Hines ward was on the show, but I will be watching with her this time
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Dang - Ray looks like he already put a few pounds on!

Maybe it's just his shirt...but his face doesn't look as lean.

The life of a world class athlete turned retiree...
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The Raven Nation brought in a lot more fans this season and Jacoby Jones will bring in even more this offseason. I love this guy's personality and we need to keep him in Baltimore for a long time. Maybe Flacco and Jones will be the next Montana Rice combo
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I may now haveto watch Dancing with the Stars. Please don't tell anyone. I don't want my man card taken away.
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A "long way to go" doesn't sound good, when you have exactly a week to get a deal done. That leads me to believe we'll need to make a decision on which tag to use and I think that will depend on how far away from a deal we are when Mar 4 rolls around.

If we feel there are only details to hammer out and completion of the deal is a matter of a few formalities, we'll use the exclusive tag. My understanding is Flacco's cap hit will be the same as the non-exclusive tag($14.6M) til 4/17, when it would expand to $20M. So if we feel we'll 100% have a deal completed by then, we'll want total protection from other teams coming after him.

However, if we feel there are real potential deal-breakers being demanded by Flacco that could prevent completing a deal for the foreseeable future, then they may go with the non-exclusive tag. Their thinking would be that the team simply can't handle that $20M hit and are willing to risk having a team come after him. If that happens, either one side or the other will gain further leverage (depending on what teams come after him and what they're willing to offer). If some team is willing to offer the moon - it is entirely conceivable that we'd view the contract we'd need to sign him too as more detrimental to the team than losing him.
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I could see the Browns trying to get Flacco. He is younger than Weeden, and a lot better obviously. I honestly don't see Flacco leaving us though, even if he does get offers from other teams. I think he will give us all the shots possible to sign him long term. And another thing, FA doesn't start till the 12th right? So if we put the tag him March 4th, does that mean we can still negotiate with him and other teams can't until March 12th?
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If this Flacco contract goes awry- I am curious to what our PLAN X will be for QB.
We have got to have a plan, if this does NOT pan out !
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am i the only one mad how much money does flacco want?!? He was good in the postseason but in the reg season he was bad and he needs to remember that when he goes to talk contract
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Perhaps Linta (Joes agent) is looking out for Linta first !
Large parasites need to eat, too.
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I HATE contract talks and speculation. It's going to be the same thing for months. Unless there's some actual data to provide and agreement, then who cares.
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No matter how this works out, one thing I REFUSE to say is that we blew it by not signing Flacco at the start of the season. This relates to Florio's comment that the Ravens gambled and "lost" when they didn't sign Flacco last offseason.

Correction ... the Ravens WON THE SUPERBOWL! Remember that small detail, Mike, when evaluating decisions our FO made going into the season. You cannot sit here in late Feb and revise decisions made in August and simply assume the same outcome for the season.
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I'm getting some bad vibes over Joe Linta (Flacco's agent)he's going to ruin the teams morals,I know Flacco not wanting the world but why can't he say something to stop this contract madness,he could make more money off of endorsements than playing football
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I'm sure the FO knows how sporadic Joe's play can be. Sure he won the SB and I love that he did but do you really want them to pay him to be the top QB in the league and have him play poorly next year. We could lose several key players to sign Joe at what may be his peak. Is that what you want just so the Browns dont scoop him up? Joe needs to take 16-17M so we can compete year in and year out but since he turned that down last year he is going to kill our cap. I know it doesnt sound like it but I like Flacco and want him to stay for many years. Just not at the expense of our team.
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I expect Joe to put up big numbers next season. Very similar to what we saw in the playoffs. Caldwell has really brought out the best in Flacco and it blatantly shows.
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[quote name='trickstar21' timestamp='1361812304' post='1368190']
am i the only one mad how much money does flacco want?!? He was good in the postseason but in the reg season he was bad and he needs to remember that when he goes to talk contract
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You earn your money in the postseason. He was good enough to get us to the playoffs in the regular season. Flacco deserves to get paid, all he does is win.
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I wonder how much American Ethenol paid to have its name on the green flag. I guess everything is for sale.
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Once a Raven - always a Raven. Joe Flacco is a Raven. Joe Linta scares me. Yes, the NFL is a business and he's trying to cash in for Flacco (and his own %) but it seems like he's trying even harder to make a name for himself. Someone phrased it "become an A-lister." If Linta plays hardball and the contract precludes the Ravens from keeping or getting good players, Linta will diminish his client. If the Ravens are forced to tag Flacco, and Linta stays stubborn/greedy/unreasonable/uncompromising then he becomes toxic and Flacco loses much of the faith and goodwill he's built up over the past 5 years. If, heaven forbid, Linta takes Flacco to another team, it would be a betrayal - ranking somewhere between Irsay's discarding of Johhny U and the Mayflower Move. Linta would become Public Enemy #1 and Flacco becomes a traitor to the Family. The Flacco I think I know won't let that happen. [How would he face his ex-teammates when it's time to pick up his ring?] But I sure am afraid of his agent.
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[quote name='arrow' timestamp='1361816171' post='1368280']
Once a Raven - always a Raven. Joe Flacco is a Raven. Joe Linta scares me. Yes, the NFL is a business and he's trying to cash in for Flacco (and his own %) but it seems like he's trying even harder to make a name for himself. Someone phrased it "become an A-lister." If Linta plays hardball and the contract precludes the Ravens from keeping or getting good players, Linta will diminish his client. If the Ravens are forced to tag Flacco, and Linta stays stubborn/greedy/unreasonable/uncompromising then he becomes toxic and Flacco loses much of the faith and goodwill he's built up over the past 5 years. If, heaven forbid, Linta takes Flacco to another team, it would be a betrayal - ranking somewhere between Irsay's discarding of Johhny U and the Mayflower Move. Linta would become Public Enemy #1 and Flacco becomes a traitor to the Family. The Flacco I think I know won't let that happen. [How would he face his ex-teammates when it's time to pick up his ring?] But I sure am afraid of his agent.
[/quote]loyalty works both ways. betrayal no way . he was told to prove he was elite and they would give him a multi year deal . he did exactly what they asked and then some . and now they still want to play games . everyone forgets Joe doesn't have to be treated like a second rate back up . the fo created this situation not flacco .
to all the folks saying let him go if he wants to much. take a look at free agent options, smith and flynn are already dealt away .the draft is weak for qb's . they just need to pay Joe end of story .
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well even if we do not pick up a DT in the draft Jenkins was just released by the eagles and could be a good patch player until they do.
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We do this every time, guys - Ngata, Suggs, Lewis, Rice, now Flacco... every one of those guys, the negotiations got blown way out of proportion in the media, we hyperventilated over it, and then each player signed a deal that was good for both sides and they moved on.

Remember when people kept saying Ray Rice wanted to get Chris Johnson's contract? And we freaked out about how bad it would be for the team, and how Ray Rice needs to think of the team, yadda yadda... and then what happened? He signed a deal that was probably BELOW what he should have gotten.

These guys are pros. Joe's not going anywhere, his cap hit won't kill the team, everybody just calm down and enjoy a Lombardi-filled off-season :)
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I will definitely watch Dancing this year... I love me some Jacoby... He's gonna do really well on that show.
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[quote name='bioLarzen' timestamp='1361803039' post='1368029']
I still say what I've said all along: Flacco will receive the non-exclusive tag. The media way overhyped the theoretical possibility of another franchise luring him away. It's like it was last season when some media outlets almost saw it as a fact that a team (mostly the Pats it was) will snatch Webb - forget that some of the more sober voices tried to explain that franchises seldom ever take first round tender RFA's - and that's what happened. People should learn the limits of nfl-com's and espn's credibility. They'll always take a good story over facts and probabilities. Flacco snatched by the Browns? Great story. Flaco receiving the non-exclusive tag, still remaining in baltimore? No story. Of course they pick the first one to talk about at length...

No worries, my fellow Ravens-fans, Flacco is here to stay.

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As long as there are fans allowing themselves to be suckered into taking the bait, those (non)stories will continued to be hyped. ESPN, NFL.com, et.al. know exactly what they're doing.
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[quote name='The Mom Gene' timestamp='1361822088' post='1368469']
I will definitely watch Dancing this year... I love me some Jacoby... He's gonna do really well on that show.
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At least just For the part with Jocaby.
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Can't let this go. So much of the Ravens' future depends on keeping Flacco AND having a quality team for him to lead. Final tally: he WAS the best quarterback this year. And with time and Caldwell will get even better. We found our Legacy QB. Maybe.
I grew up watching the Colts and Johnny U; in glory mostly but in agony, too [GB field goal, Namath's Jets when 19 was too broken to play]. Despite all the other greats who wore the horseshoe, if you mention the Baltimore Colts, you think of Unitas. He WAS the Colts. Just ask Raymond Berry or Lenny Moore or any of the others.
I don't want another search for a franchise quarterback. No more stupid experiments like Billick & KB [can't say that name out loud]. Tyrod Taylor would be an inferior Tom Matte. I do think Flacco's right - there is no one better right now. And especially not for us. And I think he/we can be so much better still.
RayRay WAS the Ravens and he's annointed Flacco "The General" now. Ray's always said his priority was to make his TEAM better. Not just with his own play. Flacco needs to do this for his team by signing a liveable/workable contract.
Linta wants to make Joe the highest paid quarterback. But how? Quantity vs. quality. Per year salary or total contract or what? How about ten years, 120 million guaranteed, with a cap-friendly structure. Basically a lifetime contract. How much more reward does he want? How much more financial security does he need?
Think about it, real-world: 120 million guaranteed, ten years, comes to $32,876 (and change) each and every single day for ten years. More than that feels too damn despicably greedy. And I don't care what the others make, per year or whatever. Does he really want to end up like Drew Brees, who also cashed in after winning it all once, but now has trouble playing 500 football because his own salary has thrown his team Cap out of whack. Show me the money, yeah, but what kind of legacy do you really want?
Flacco has the chance to be the very best quarterback this city's ever had. Different era, very different world, but Johnny U never played for the money. We got him for a dime phone-call. He became ours and we became his. A legend, larger-than-life forever. Flacco can be, too. He's off to a really good start. Does Joe's legacy build and take us with him? Does it end in Canton in a purple uniform alongside Jonathan and Ray and Ed? Joe said Ray was a great player but the best teammate. Down the road I hope we can all say the same for him.
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Who in the world said they were not going to pay Flacco and who is playing games? Certainly not the Ravens organization. The deal will get done. All of these people who wanted Flacco gone last year because of a few bad games are now on the band wagon and yelling because he hasn't been signed yet. Be calm and cool like Flacco. It will be done.
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The Ravens through Ozzie put this "team" together, salary cap troubles and all. Sign Joe Flacco now,don't use a TAG. Dump Jacoby if need be. Let Ellerbe&Kruger go but PAY THE MAN HIS MONEY! Let Ed Reed be a PAT!........................... OR go "read" option option with Tyrod and get the two 1st round picks(heh-heh) I'm sure Jim Caldwell can re-invent a Camoption offense this off season PAY JOE NOW!!!
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