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[arnie_uk]

Things get long today, oline weigh ins apparently.

So who are you looking forward to watch?

[GrimCoconut]

I'm most interested in the under-the-radar guys, so for OL I want to see Menelik Watson & Armstead.

But I want to see ILB most of all. Arthur Brown, Kiko Alonso, AJ Klein, Kevin Minter, Manti Te'o, etc. And of course I want to see two guys I like at OLB in Trevardo Williams and Lerentee McCray

Edited by GrimCoconut, 20 February 2013 - 09:04 AM.

[GrimCoconut]

Just saw Keenan Allen won't participate due to a knee injury. How far do you think he falls?

[Purple_ICE 81]

Just saw Keenan Allen won't participate due to a knee injury. How far do you think he falls?

late 2nd round at most....once he runs his 40 yard dash if it is in the 4.4......4.5 range I would say he is a solid 2nd rounder...though some believe he wont run the 40 time very good but thats the same skepticism that Justin Blackmon got last year and I think he ran a 4.5 or so...and still got picked top 10.

Edited by Purple_ICE 81, 20 February 2013 - 09:58 AM.

[PuRock]

Just saw Keenan Allen won't participate due to a knee injury. How far do you think he falls?

Tough one to call. It would have been nice to see his 40 at the combine. But he's battled ankle and now a knee injury with already questions about his speed. I would have to think he might drop to the 2nd. But then again it is a weak WR class and he has the tools to work with.

[Purple_ICE 81]

Monti Teo, Kevin Minter, Kevin Reddick, Jarvis Jones, Datone Jones, Justin Hunter just to name a few who I will look at closely

[GrimCoconut]

Tough one to call. It would have been nice to see his 40 at the combine. But he's battled ankle and now a knee injury with already questions about his speed. I would have to think he might drop to the 2nd. But then again it is a weak WR class and he has the tools to work with.

Really? I think the WR class is nice. I don't see any true #1 WR but it's even.

In fact, I would say that about this entire class at almost every position. A lot of even talent with no clear-cut #1 player for that respective position. I wouldn't even say OT has clear-cut best LT, even though Joeckel is. There are things with his game that unimpressed me. He's far from perfect. I think Okung was a better prospect. You could make a case for Fisher as a #1 LT here in this class.

The only positions that really stick out at me as having a true #1 player is guard (Warmack--the best player IMO), & ILB with Arthur Brown (though you can make a case for the other guys as well) & maybe even Vaccaro as S, but that's also a very even class as well. I think the only true elite & absolute-best player at their respective position unquestionably in this draft is Warmack, unless I'm forgetting someone. Millner's good, too, but cases can be made for Banks.

Monti Teo, Kevin Minter, Kevin Reddick, Jarvis Jones, Datone Jones, Justin Hunter just to name a few who I will look at closely

I'm interested in all those guys as well. Add Arthur Brown, Kiko Alonso, AJ Klein, Floyd, Chris Faulk, Dion Sims.

Edited by GrimCoconut, 20 February 2013 - 10:09 AM.

[PuRock]

Really? I think the WR class is nice. I don't see any true #1 WR but it's even.

In fact, I would say that about this entire class at almost every position. A lot of even talent with no clear-cut #1 player for that respective position. I wouldn't even say OT has clear-cut best LT, even though Joeckel is. There are things with his game that unimpressed me. He's far from perfect. I think Okung was a better prospect. You could make a case for Fisher as a #1 LT here in this class.

The only positions that really stick out at me as having a true #1 player is guard (Warmack--the best player IMO), & ILB with Arthur Brown (though you can make a case for the other guys as well) & maybe even Vaccaro as S, but that's also a very even class as well. I think the only true elite & absolute-best player at their respective position unquestionably in this draft is Warmack, unless I'm forgetting someone. Millner's good, too, but cases can be made for Banks.

I agree with that statement. That's sort of what I was getting at, there really aren't any elite guys at WR. So depending upon how teams evaluate what his skill set is worth, he could stay near the top despite missing the combine. He's not going to plummet because there are better stronger options.

I also agree, the draft has a lot of good depth at every position this year. Just doesn't have that cream of the crop that most drafts have. Even with the guys you mentioned, Brown, Vaccaro, Millner, Banks, you'll find varying opinions about them and what they are worth.

Too bad we don't really need a guard this draft. There are some quality players there. Even Warford could be a beast.

Edited by PuRock, 20 February 2013 - 10:22 AM.

[Dubs]

Guys I am excited to see because their numbers could be impressive: Jordan Reed TE, Menelik Watson T, Jonathon Cooper G, Devin Taylor/Joe Kruger/William Gholston DE, Jesse Williams/Sheldon Richardson DT,

Guys I am interested because of question marks
- Manti Teo (speed and quickness drills)
- Matt Elam & Tony Jefferson (size)
- DJ Swearinger (speed and hip turn)
-Kawann Short (strength)
- Barrett Jones (footwork, size, and basically everything else)
- DeAndre Hopkins (size and speed)
- Robert Woods (size-weight and if fully healed)
- Chris Harper (deep speed)

just some guys that I think could answer some questions with good days or possibly be more questioned and fall with bad days

[GrimCoconut]

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I agree with that statement. That's sort of what I was getting at, there really aren't any elite guys at WR. So depending upon how teams evaluate what his skill set is worth, he could stay near the top despite missing the combine. He's not going to plummet because there are better stronger options.

I also agree, the draft has a lot of good depth at every position this year. Just doesn't have that cream of the crop that most drafts have. Even with the guys you mentioned, Brown, Vaccaro, Millner, Banks, you'll find varying opinions about them and what they are worth.

Too bad we don't really need a guard this draft. There are some quality players there. Even Warford could be a beast.

I agree with all of that but I want to add: if for some reason, crazy reason, Warmack is available at 32 you take him without hesitation. Without hesitation. He makes the entire line better. Put KO at RT again. Put Oher at LT. Oher's flaws will be totally masked. Too bad we have no shot at Warmack.

And also, I want to say this: because it's a weak class, better scouting teams will do better than other teams. Not all these players will be stars. Most will bust. When you have an even class it's about finding what separates them and I am comfortable with the Ravens as my team for that reason.

[GrimCoconut]

Guys I am excited to see because their numbers could be impressive: Jordan Reed TE, Menelik Watson T, Jonathon Cooper G, Devin Taylor/Joe Kruger/William Gholston DE, Jesse Williams/Sheldon Richardson DT,

Guys I am interested because of question marks
- Manti Teo (speed and quickness drills)
- Matt Elam & Tony Jefferson (size)
- DJ Swearinger (speed and hip turn)
-Kawann Short (strength)
- Barrett Jones (footwork, size, and basically everything else)
- DeAndre Hopkins (size and speed)
- Robert Woods (size-weight and if fully healed)
- Chris Harper (deep speed)

just some guys that I think could answer some questions with good days or possibly be more questioned and fall with bad days

I forgot about some of those guys you mentioned. I want to throw Greene in there as well. He looks like a good LB but I want to see if he can play inside because I'm not sold that he can.

[Dubs]

ya there are a bunch of question mark guys - I plan on watching that moreso. I have always been hesitant of Tavon Austin and would love to see if he has a thick build or just stringy. Terrance Williams is another WR who needs to answer his deep speed...But of the top guys we may go after it should be fun

I really do like Greene and dont think he will have an issue, but him and Hodges will have to show they have the frames for the position

[izvoodoo]

Just saw Keenan Allen won't participate due to a knee injury. How far do you think he falls?

Depends on his pro day. Me may not fall at all.

[PuRock]

I agree with all of that but I want to add: if for some reason, crazy reason, Warmack is available at 32 you take him without hesitation. Without hesitation. He makes the entire line better. Put KO at RT again. Put Oher at LT. Oher's flaws will be totally masked. Too bad we have no shot at Warmack.

And also, I want to say this: because it's a weak class, better scouting teams will do better than other teams. Not all these players will be stars. Most will bust. When you have an even class it's about finding what separates them and I am comfortable with the Ravens as my team for that reason.

No Doubt. Besides you can never have enough quality OL men. That's my go to position. An offense can live and die by their o-line play.

Your right about the second part as well. That is why I love picking 32nd in this particular draft. There really isn't any elite level guys that we have to worry about missing. So I see us on even ground with all the teams in this draft because we have Oz.

Edited by PuRock, 20 February 2013 - 10:40 AM.

[gabefergy]

Just saw Keenan Allen won't participate due to a knee injury. How far do you think he falls?

Not past 32.

[Sizzlebshu]

Just saw Keenan Allen won't participate due to a knee injury. How far do you think he falls?

Thats big, but it still depends on where Patterson goes. I still could see him going in the mid 20's if Patterson is gone by top 12. Allen wasn't suppose to test well at the combine either.

[Sizzlebshu]

I agree with all of that but I want to add: if for some reason, crazy reason, Warmack is available at 32 you take him without hesitation. Without hesitation. He makes the entire line better. Put KO at RT again. Put Oher at LT. Oher's flaws will be totally masked. Too bad we have no shot at Warmack.

And also, I want to say this: because it's a weak class, better scouting teams will do better than other teams. Not all these players will be stars. Most will bust. When you have an even class it's about finding what separates them and I am comfortable with the Ravens as my team for that reason.

His name is Warmack, not God.

[GrimCoconut]

His name is Warmack, not God.

Not that it matters since Chance has NO chance of making it to us but I think having Chance next to Oher would mask his weaknesses due to how dominant of a guard Warmack is.

[Challenge Accepted]

Would you guys take Allen at 32 if he was available?

[GrimCoconut]

Would you guys take Allen at 32 if he was available?

I really don't know. It would depend on who else is available.