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[News] Late For Work 2/19: Would Paying Joe Flacco $20 Million A Year Hinder The Ravens?

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Tough decisions coming on supporting cast. Steeler praises Flacco. Jacoby’s new tattoo.

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So did a child draw that tattoo for Jacoby or did he just hire the worst tattoo artist ever?

Flacco deserves whatever he gets. Imagine how sick we would be if we let Flacco sign with another team, and then we had to sit and watch him take his new squad through the playoffs.
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If Flacco was replace-able... But who you gonna get? Alex Smith isn't it. The salary cap will deal with all teams increasing player salary appetites in time. I don't see any team paying a qb $20 million with the cap without severely hurting the rest of the team. It does little good to have a four star qb if you can't afford the rest of the team. I don't know what this team or others are going to do to solve this dilimma. Look at other teams that fell flat due to salary cap issues. We don't pay to see mediocre football. The NFL needs to lift this artificial restriction in order for football to remain enjoyable. If the danged owner wants to pay his players let him. Or set the max limit on each position league wide. End this drain of players each year. It's more like musical chairs than football. I'd like to see some of the 'free agents' of recent years back in Bmore. Now we thinkin' about offing Flacco due to the cap??!!! Just plain goooooooofey!!
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The defense may be rebuilt on a discount expense but that wont be the case with the offense. SB42 was the official passing of the torch, From Ray to Flacco, and also from defense to offense. The main priority now is to get the offense in the top 5 next year and if that means sacrificing some pass rushers and defensive players to keep flacco happy and potentially afford some more offensive weapons, that may be just what happens.
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I love Jacoby and I know we wouldn't be Super Bowl champs without him. But dude that's one jacked tat...
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Can we all agree to not freak out when the Ravens inevitably franchise tag him and then wait until the last second to get a long-term deal signed this summer?
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Pay Joe get it done Ozzie and Pat are very good at this I'm confident . Talking about Alex Smith is as much nonesense as us signing Tebow for any reason lol.I know we are all missing football but wow. In the past week I have seen two reports on Ellerbe being underrated if the talking heads don't hush we will lose him too .That tattoo is not good .
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[quote name='bmorefan444' timestamp='1361285967' post='1361989']
So did a child draw that tattoo for Jacoby or did he just hire the worst tattoo artist ever?

Flacco deserves whatever he gets. Imagine how sick we would be if we let Flacco sign with another team, and then we had to sit and watch him take his new squad through the playoffs.
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Guess you have not seen this tattoo
[url="http://deadspin.com/5938459/its-the-worst-steelers-tattoo-in-the-world"]http://deadspin.com/5938459/its-the-worst-steelers-tattoo-in-the-world[/url]
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And as far as players leaving for more money due to free agency, ask any of them if they'd rather have been in Bmore this season than where they flew off to!! Ask JJ if he'd rather have been in San Dieago or Bmore. The fans support the NFL. Without them there is no NFL. We spend a lot of time and money and emotion while a player develops and don't wanna see them fly off to other cities due to salary caps/free agency. END THE SALARY CAP NOW!!!! Stop this homogenization of football. I don't want to watch football if all teams look exactly alike. I'll just watch high school and college ball if that happens. Put some restrictions on maximum salary for each position in order to stop the loss of players the fans feel loyal to.
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All though it probably won't happen, it would be great if the Ravens can sign Flacco over this weekend and get it over with. Pay the man and move on. We could then focus our attention on trying to resign other key free agents.
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$20 million per year will hurt this team. the fo will have to cut players like boldin sizzle and ngata next year to free up $$. defense will really suffer next season if flacco gets $20 million. does he deserve it in todays market? yes but how much do you need to secure your families future and do not forget the $$ he gets from endorsements. i guess we will find out how important it is to flacco to win more superbowls. i am a huge flacco fan but seeing any player making millions of $$ per season especially when its in the double digits lets me know that we the fans are overpaying for parking, tix, condiments, apparel and novelties. dont get me wrong playing careers can be short and you have to get what you can but without us fans they wouldnt get anything. please lower ticket prices in all sports!!
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[quote name='drillem' timestamp='1361286417' post='1361998']
And as far as players leaving for more money due to free agency, ask any of them if they'd rather have been in Bmore this season than where they flew off to!! Ask JJ if he'd rather have been in San Dieago or Bmore. The fans support the NFL. Without them there is no NFL. We spend a lot of time and money and emotion while a player develops and don't wanna see them fly off to other cities due to salary caps/free agency. END THE SALARY CAP NOW!!!! Stop this homogenization of football. I don't want to watch football if all teams look exactly alike. I'll just watch high school and college ball if that happens. Put some restrictions on maximum salary for each position in order to stop the loss of players the fans feel loyal to.
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If you take away the salary cap, then the NFL would turn into the NBA. Certain teams would load up with talent while other teams aren't so lucky. And the teams that would load up would be your warmer area teams. That would be horrible for the NFL, and would probably make it go extinct faster than Godell will. The salary cap is what makes the NFL fun to watch. Yeah it sucks losing quality players, but we have one of the best franchises in replacing players like that. How many times have we lost a player and it came back to bite us??? Bart Scott has yet to beat us, Jarrett Johnson had his worst season in 7 years, Ben Grubbs went to a disaster, Cory Redding got beat by us, so we usually turn out smaarter than the player that left us.
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[quote name='The Greek' timestamp='1361286880' post='1362005']
$20 million per year will hurt this team. the fo will have to cut players like boldin sizzle and ngata next year to free up $$. defense will really suffer next season if flacco gets $20 million. does he deserve it in todays market? yes but how much do you need to secure your families future and do not forget the $$ he gets from endorsements. i guess we will find out how important it is to flacco to win more superbowls. i am a huge flacco fan but seeing any player making millions of $$ per season especially when its in the double digits lets me know that we the fans are overpaying for parking, tix, condiments, apparel and novelties. dont get me wrong playing careers can be short and you have to get what you can but without us fans they wouldnt get anything. please lower ticket prices in all sports!!
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Ngata and Suggs are not going anywhere, and i don't think Boldin is either. Is 20 million a year to much for a player? Yes, that kind of money is to much for any athlete. But Flacco deserves to get paid, and if he keeps playing the way he was at the end of the season and playoffs, our defense can afford to be a little weaker.
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@Trevelyan...I think you mean SB47, not SB42. I'm not going to worry over Joe's contract negotiations, what's going to happen will happen, and I trust the FO to get it done. Still may have players leave that we don't want leaving but business is business, unfortunately.
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[quote name='RisingandConquering' timestamp='1361286406' post='1361997']
Guess you have not seen this tattoo
[url="http://deadspin.com/5938459/its-the-worst-steelers-tattoo-in-the-world"]http://deadspin.com/...oo-in-the-world[/url]
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hahaha touche
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[quote name='Jasont505' timestamp='1361286236' post='1361993']
I love Jacoby and I know we wouldn't be Super Bowl champs without him. But dude that's one jacked tat...
[/quote]It's probably a family member or close friend... The artist is doing the work in what looks like a hotel room. I doubt a professional does work in a hotel room.
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Including post-season stats, Joe Flacco has the third most yards per season in his career of all time (among all QBs in NFL history who were in the NFL for more than one season):

1. Peyton Manning: 4344.4 Yards Per Season
2. Drew Brees: 4074.9 Yards Per Season
3. Joe Flacco: 4061 Yards Per Season

The only other quarterbacks to average 4000 yards per season are Andrew Luck (4662 yards, but only one season) and Matt Ryan (4039.4 yards per season).
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It will be fun to watch when Joe gets 20 million and has a bad game. Everyone will go crazy hahahaha the media will have a field day. They are probably planning the headlines now, Ravens get robbed, Ozzie's catastrophe, Should newsome be fired ? Joe Flukeo was he a one hit wonder? Hahahaha it will be fun to watch.
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I agree that Joe Flacco needs to be paid. However 20Million a year. No way! Look at the Saints with Drew Brees. That contract is killing them. Even if we get through this seasons cap woes. We would have to deal with that number for years to come, and it will change how this team drafts and stocks talent. His agent needs to understand that Joe needs a supporting cast and with big contracts come bigger expectations. Bolden, Jones and Leech had been mentioned as cap casualties. Where would Joe be without them. You can't replace them in the draft and address the holes you presently have, and where would your team be without them? We all know how this town was after losing a few games in a row, imagine a few seasons where we don't make the playoffs.
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Wasn't Ryan Clark the jerk that made the comment that the Ravens Steelers rivalry wasn't a 'real' rivalry because the Ravens didn't win enough of the head-to-head match ups? How's that working out for ya now?
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in Ozzie we trust. He will make the right move for the organization. Joe will get a lucrative yet reasonable deal in the end, and we will be in the hunt again next year.
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[quote name='J.O.14' timestamp='1361287058' post='1362007']
Ngata and Suggs are not going anywhere, and i don't think Boldin is either. Is 20 million a year to much for a player? Yes, that kind of money is to much for any athlete. But Flacco deserves to get paid, and if he keeps playing the way he was at the end of the season and playoffs, our defense can afford to be a little weaker.
[/quote]I agree that Ngata Suggs and Boldin are not going anywhere. However, our Defence can NOT afford to be weaker. I'm not talking about a repeat Superbowl win, Just competing in the AFC North. We have got to sure up the center of the Defence ( gave up too many rushing yards ) If we want to stay cometetive.
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[quote name='The Greek' timestamp='1361286880' post='1362005']
$20 million per year will hurt this team. the fo will have to cut players like boldin sizzle and ngata next year to free up $$. defense will really suffer next season if flacco gets $20 million. does he deserve it in todays market? yes but how much do you need to secure your families future and do not forget the $$ he gets from endorsements. i guess we will find out how important it is to flacco to win more superbowls. i am a huge flacco fan but seeing any player making millions of $$ per season especially when its in the double digits lets me know that we the fans are overpaying for parking, tix, condiments, apparel and novelties. dont get me wrong playing careers can be short and you have to get what you can but without us fans they wouldnt get anything. please lower ticket prices in all sports!!
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Your making it sound like its all Flacco. Flacco's job is to do whatever he has to do on the field to take the team to the promise lands(superbowl) and he did his part. Now its his Agent that is trying to get him as much money as he can mainly because he will get a big chunk of whatever money he manages to get for Flacco. But totally agree with the fact that we shouldnt have to pay $300 just to go to a game. I love football but $300 extra that i might get here and there goes straight into savings. I wish I was able to get paid that much.
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20 million where every penny counts against the cap like an exclusive franchise tag for a QB (20.6 mil)? Yes absolutely. Not only would Kruger, Ellerbe, Williams, Mckinnie, and Reed be gone but players like Leach, Boldin, Birk, etc could be cut.

20 million where only 10-13 million count against the cap because the guaranteed money is spread over the course over say a 7 year deal? No. At least not now (later in the back end of the deal, it would balloon up).
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[quote name='BMORElegacy' timestamp='1361288381' post='1362018']
Wasn't Ryan Clark the jerk that made the comment that the Ravens Steelers rivalry wasn't a 'real' rivalry because the Ravens didn't win enough of the head-to-head match ups? How's that working out for ya now?
[/quote] he also said we were the brides maids but never the bride
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His career statistics don%u2019t match the gaudy numbers put up by Brees, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers. That's because he doesn't play in the type of system where he pretty much throws majority of the time. Joe Flacco played in constraints under CAM which made the whole offense look bad. We were running when we should pass and passing when we should run it just looked bad. Now that we have a OC who gives Joe more control I believe we will see better production from our offense rather than the old philosophy of keep it close and play safe that we went through last season with CAM.
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The Oz will work out a long term deal over the next few days. What people don't realize is that what just happened, could very well happen again.

I'm not saying we win the Superbowl in 2013, but rather Flacco could very well throw 50 TDs. Now imagine if we put the franchise tag on him now. What then would his asking price be after that?

That's why Oz will get the long term deal
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The problem is not Flacco, it's Linta. He doesn't have many power players he is the agent for, so hopefully he doesn't try to "Cash Cow" Flacco for himself.

The only starter guy I see not coming back at this point, not because he isn't awesome or wanted by the Ravens, but because he is so good we won't be able to match some of the money offers he will get, is Paul Kruger. It sucks, but that is the bussiness of football.

Any pundit that thinks Flacco is going anywhere other than the Ravens is either an idiot or a hater being hopeful.

GO RAVENS!
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There is No doubt that twenty million seems ridiculas to us fans, the whole pay structure of the league is flawed and Yes, it is us fans who pay for it. Under the current system, Flacco deserves to get what he can, and the Ravens are not going to cut him loose of Tag him, they will make a deal.
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@ravenwildman: Everything is just speculation at this point. The Ravens haven't met with Linta since last offseason. If they haven't even met, how can you be pointing at him or Flacco or Ozzie or Pat or anybody as "the problem?" You can't. All this is just talk for the sake of talking because there aren't any better stories right now. And when they do meet, do you honestly expect Linta to do anything other than try to get his client the most money possible? That's his job, that's what agents do. You don't have to like his profession, but if he didn't try and get his client the most money he wouldn't be doing his job.

Also, as far as bringing players back, I don't really see any way Cary Williams comes back. They made him an offer they thought was fair last season, he declined, and I don't see how his play this season would dictate any other offer. He was statistically one of the worst corners in the league last season. And some team with a bad front office will inevitably give him too much money. We will be fine going forward with Webb, Smith, and Graham as a starting trio.
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@dhartm2 it's very easy to point to someone. Linta was the one making the rounds to all the media national and late night. I have never seen anything like that before from a agent.
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We all know that the cap is league mandated and out of the Ravens hands. We also know that the Ravens have been pretty good in managing the cap in the past.
To be an elite NFL Quarterback you have to be pretty smart. Joe Flacco must know that he is the ultimate --- I mean ultimate --- big game Quarterback. No games are bigger then the playoffs. This guy, Joe Flacco, has to be in those games to get those highs --- which after five years must be addictive. Joe Flacco knows that the Ravens did not ride his wings into any of those playoffs over the last five years; yet, all of us know today that Flacco is on the cusp of greatness --- like potentially the "all time" variety.
With that, the Ravens cannot offer Joe Flacco the highest paid contract. To do so would put the Ravens in the same exact position they were in after their 1st Super Bowl. Additionally, the highest paid contract to Joe Flacco would end up being a total disservice to Joe because the Ravens would no longer be able to sustain the talent level throughout the organization --- you are only as strong as your weakest link --- to get Joe back to the big games on a consistant basis.
Ozzie, stick to your team concept. Offer Joe top five money, again, and figure out a way other then money to prove to Joe his value to the T-E-A-M.
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This past year with the player lock out and a new contract pending, this time I was siding with the ownership. I'm usually in the players corner, but not this time. There is greed on both sides, but I put myself in the owners shoes and thought, If I put out hundreds of millions of dollars to become an owner I would want as much back on my investment as I could. After all, it is THERE LEAGUE. I do think the players union is out of control and would love to see real reform in the league salary cap system. The problem is the players union wouldn't go for it, and most fans would start sceaming at the owners for being greedy.
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@purple-raven: You must have never heard of Drew Rosenhaus. I don't think you guys quite understand the agent-player dynamic. Linta isn't just out there doing things against Joe's will. Linta is trying to get Joe a deal in line with the highest paid quarterbacks in the league, aka his contemporaries at his job. Why shouldn't Joe make a competitive salary, especially considering he could get the money from many other teams in the league? Everyone is acting like Joe should take one for the team and accept $15M instead of $20M. As though if you guys were making $40k and another company offered you $50k you would turn down the 25% pay increase. What has Linta really said? That Joe should be paid like he is one of the best QBs in the league. What has Joe said? That he's the best QB in the league. Their messages sound pretty consistent to me. I'm just saying, don't blame Linta for doing his job. And the reason you've heard more about this contract and Linta probably isn't because it doesn't happen with other agents, it's probably because you follow Flacco and the Ravens more than other players/teams.
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[quote name='raven410' timestamp='1361286849' post='1362004']
All though it probably won't happen, it would be great if the Ravens can sign Flacco over this weekend and get it over with. Pay the man and move on. We could then focus our attention on trying to resign other key free agents.
[/quote]I agree, and I think it will happen. Listening to Ozzie and Mr.B, they are very close to a deal. I doubt if they let it come down to a franchise tag that would really hurt the cap situation. A long term deal is what is needed. Get It Done and Move On!
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@purple-raven, Joe Linta was on the Mark Zinno show on 105.7 The Fan not too long ago. Mark point blank asked him about all his appearances and his comments about Joe Flacco being the top QB in the NFL. Joe Linta claimed people were calling him asking him to appear on thier shows. He stated he had not called one person asking to be interviewed. He also said the times he stated that he thought Joe was the top QB in the NFL was when he was aked if he thought that. Joe Linta also stated that whatever agree the make would take into consideration the salery cap situation as well as the Ravens organizations concerns and vice a versa. Joe Linta also stated that the final decision was Joe Flacco's and that Joe Flacco is a pretty sharp person.
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@Mad Scientist Too: Thank you for that reasonable comment. Everyone on here is acting like Linta is some sort of villain out to convince Flacco to destroy our salary cap. And all based on a bunch of hyped up offseason stories!
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It's about time they started setting up meetings to get Flacco signed. Once they sign Flacco the other free agents signings will fall into place.
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Who is doing Jacoby's ink? He's getting paid pretty good. He could afford a fantastically detailed tattoo.
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I know Oz and his staff have a plan in place and I know it's what they feel is best for the Ravens long term it's just this waiting stinks. I guess im just not very patent.
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@008 waws when we took RICE and FLACCO

2009 we got OHER-KRUGER-and WEBB
2010 DICKSON -PITTA- ART JONES- RAMON HAREWOOD ( plus T CODY and KINDLE)
2011 JIMMY-major contributor
TORREY-started and blossoming into elite WR
JAH- insurance
DOSS- contributing
CHYKIE- major contributor
McPhee- Sarter
Tyrod- insurance
A. ALLEN- contributor

2012 KO -STARTEER
UPSHAW-major contributor
PIERCE- major contributor
D.TYSON- contributor
GINO-insurance
ASA-?
C.THOMPSON?
STREETER-?

but every year we are finding atleast 2 starters and possibly 2 more major contributors. If we did the same this season?

Remember that we have been drafting late bc we have played so well.. we are a team who does not have a ton of need! So 2 starters and one or two contributors could be the formula to land us back in the superbowl again.

Waiting to see how FA shakes out but I dont think we have a ton of need and our track record in FA-the DRAFT and with UFA----

I beleive we still have another run at this
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Flacco and the Ravens will get this worked out as all involved are pretty level headed. Last time I checked, Flacco doesn't take the same approach as D Revis, we'll be fine.

Jacoby Jones ! Talk about commited ! Love it !
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we need an infusion of speed however...
I love the pick ups of Streeter and Thompson last season
We saw what Jacoby meant to this team.

WOuld love to add some of that element back on the Defensive side of the ball!
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I think that there are at least 4 other ILB in this seasons draft as good as or better than Manti Teo...

And there is probably one or two more that have the potential to developing into more!
I dont think that Manti Teo is someone to jump for!
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[quote name='dhartm2' timestamp='1361291093' post='1362053']
@purple-raven: You must have never heard of Drew Rosenhaus. I don't think you guys quite understand the agent-player dynamic. Linta isn't just out there doing things against Joe's will. Linta is trying to get Joe a deal in line with the highest paid quarterbacks in the league, aka his contemporaries at his job. Why shouldn't Joe make a competitive salary, especially considering he could get the money from many other teams in the league? [b]Everyone is acting like Joe should take one for the team and accept $15M instead of $20M. As though if you guys were making $40k and another company offered you $50k you would turn down the 25% pay increase.[/b] What has Linta really said? That Joe should be paid like he is one of the best QBs in the league. What has Joe said? That he's the best QB in the league. Their messages sound pretty consistent to me. I'm just saying, don't blame Linta for doing his job. And the reason you've heard more about this contract and Linta probably isn't because it doesn't happen with other agents, it's probably because you follow Flacco and the Ravens more than other players/teams.
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To be fair, I don't think that's really an accurate comparison. 40k is middleclass. Of course you would take the 50k. Every little bit helps. Flacco is getting millions. He's set for life if he doesn't squander it. That doesn't mean I believe Joe shouldn't get paid top money. If it affects his ability to get to the Super Bowl, that should be the deciding factor in deciding the contract. 20 million, 15 million, it doesn't really make a difference. Let's all be honest here, the Ravens lose "big time" players each year and still make it to the playoffs. It'll happen this year. That's who we are. Next man up. Signing Flacco to 20 mill a year will sacrifice players, but we will still make it to the playoffs. I sleep well at night knowing our front office knows what they are doing.
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[quote name='steelcityraven' timestamp='1361294825' post='1362104']
I think that there are at least 4 other ILB in this seasons draft as good as or better than Manti Teo...

And there is probably one or two more that have the potential to developing into more!
I dont think that Manti Teo is someone to jump for!
[/quote]I agree i have watched so much tape on him and i agree he is good but there are others better then he is . even before the whole catfish thing i felt we would be better off waiting for any linebackers this draft to later rounds. we have ones on the practice squad better then he is .
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