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[News] Bernard Pierce Will Push Ray Rice For Carries

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Bernard Pierce hopes to build on an impressive rookie year, where he came on strong down the stretch.

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Im just saying that Pierce Playoffs and end of the regular season played much more better and was more effective than Ray Rice.
its going to be a battle this pre-season and training camp
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Ray always fumbles in big games. He needs to seriously address that issue. Pierce is a fantastic replacement for Rice. He should be the starter.
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If both can keep their egos in check this could be great for both of them. This will keep them fresher and healthier for the entire season.
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It would be interesting to see Caldwell use them both at the same time every once in a while.
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Now I'm in NO way advocating Tyrod for starter, but I think it would be awesome to see, at least in the preseason, Taylor running the option with Rice and Pierce in the backfield. That's just so much dangerous running potential right there. Just a fun little wrinkle to bring out now and again.
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I find it funny that we talk about Pierce as a starter when he can't even stay on the field as a back up. Both of these guys need each other. We saw it in the SB, he takes 2 hits and is clearly shook. Wish we could combine them...
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Pierce's hard-nosed running style was a perfect complement to the shifty Rice, giving the Ravens a true one-two punch out of the backfield.

"We are building a bully and he exemplifies that with his play and his attitude," Montgomery said. "He's a quiet guy, but he's still a fun guy, and I think his teammates really love him. They know when he's on the field that he's going to make something happen."

^ after winning a Superbowl (the ultimate prize) EVERYONE on the team should be happy with their roles on the squad. let's just keep working together for one common goal....winning the next Superbowl....back 2 back Champions! to do that...we can't be selfish!

^Mili
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I like the comment that was made by someone although i forget who, he said "Bernard Pierce is a poor mans Adrian Peterson", no he didnt say hes as good as Adrian Peterson (yet from what i think), but i hope we can lock him up until Rice retires!
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Now thats the kind of attitude I want to see! He had a great season and I am thrilled to see him even more improved next season.
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Thank God they started running him up the middle.

Nothing wrong with having 2 backs. That's what gives them both a better shot at staying healthy.
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[quote name='YYZ66' timestamp='1360958263' post='1358708']
It would be interesting to see Caldwell use them both at the same time every once in a while.
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He already has. I for at least once in the SB for sure and I think another time in the AFCCG as well.

On the SB play, they lined up in the backfield together, Flacco motioned Rice out to the slot. It looked like Joe didn't get the look he wanted or did, but he checked into a run with Peirce
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IMO Pierce showed enough to warrant a starting job and there's plenty of teams that need a real good running back and the ravens have some holes that need to be filled on defense weather they get a veteran or a draft pick to fill em I think they should move Pierce while his stock is soaring
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They have different running styles, which makes it more difficult for defenses to stop them. Ever notice how when one of them isn't running well, the other one is. Glad to have them both on our roster.
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I said last year that the Ravens had the potential to be the most explosively balanced offense in the NFL, they just needed a OC who realized it and gameplanned for it. Well I think Caldwell is that OC.

Rice and Peirce are already one of the top RB duo's in the NFL. Imo they both bring something different, but compliment the offense so well. Either guy can take over a game and with the passing offense clicking, running lanes will be much larger.

I do have my concerns about Ray Rice. I just don't like how much he talks about making sure he's healthy for the whole season and being happy he gets enough rest. Sounds like a vet who is saving himself, not a guy going into year 6. Ray doesn't play with the same type of fearlessness as he did a couple years ago. I remember in 2010, he'd be so tough to tackle because he put that 3rd wheel in the ground and keep rolling. His balance was crazy, but now it seems like he gets tripped up way too easy.

I still love the way he plays, but it does seem like somethings different with him.
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I'm not too concerned about Ray. Particularly in the beginning of the season, he'd give guys a good shot with his shoulder before he went out of bounds. A lot of guys would avoid that kind of contact. So I don't really think he's saving himself. Rather, I think he saw the damage that can be done to a team when key guys get injured. We couldn't have afforded to have him injured last season. With regard to Rice, three words sum up what I think of him: "Fourth and twenth-nine". Regarding Pierce, I think he's gonna be very good, but he does benefit by being a different type of runner compared to Rice. That has to be factored in. I think it's going to be hard to keep them both happy, but I'm confident that Wilbert and Harbs can do it.
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I just have one concern with Pierce, and that is his durability. The guy runs so hard that he will try to do anything to gain extra yardage. I hope next year he doesn't try to go out there to prove anything and simply play smart. Take what the defense gives him and live to see the next play.
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I'll admit when the Ravens traded up to get him in the 3rd round!?! I was scratching my head... Yet another reason Ozzie and our FO get paid the big bucks!
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My squeeler buddies like Pierce and said Double R. better watch out! I told them that if Double R. keep Fumbling that Rock, he will give Pierce the job! Pierce reminds me of Willis Mcgahee, and I hope he Bulks up so he can be that 3rd down back we I mean the Ravens NEED!
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One thing is for sure, Bernard Pierce can only get better!! But I believe him and Ray work very well as a team!
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Pierce's quick one cut running style is amazing to watch. I've been saying it for a while now, he's a better pure runner than Ray Rice. We have a dangerous 1-2 punch at RB.
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[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1360964682' post='1358802']
He already has. I for at least once in the SB for sure and I think another time in the AFCCG as well.

On the SB play, they lined up in the backfield together, Flacco motioned Rice out to the slot. It looked like Joe didn't get the look he wanted or did, but he checked into a run with Peirce
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Dang, I didn't even notice.
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When I saw BP's highlights from college I knew we had a stud. When I saw him run in actual NFL games, I knew we had a superstud. He truly is the perfect rotation with Ray Rice. I
As to Ozzie moving up and grabbing him in the 3rd I say this is why our front office is one of, if not the best in the league.No one saw that move coming. GO RAVENS!!!
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Ozzie and company always find gems in the draft. I bet a lot of teams that don't have good RB's are regretting letting this guy go twice. I think he is Arian Foster 2.0. I love the rotation that we have. Pierce could make Rice's life in the NFL last a lot longer. I love this guy, but i feel like we won't have him long if he keeps running this way.
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[quote name='J.O.14' timestamp='1360977729' post='1358943']
Ozzie and company always find gems in the draft. I bet a lot of teams that don't have good RB's are regretting letting this guy go twice. I think he is Arian Foster 2.0. I love the rotation that we have. Pierce could make Rice's life in the NFL last a lot longer. I love this guy, but i feel like we won't have him long if he keeps running this way.
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Why not? He's not a FA until 2016 and that's the last year of Rice's contract. At that point Ray Rice will be in 29 y/o in his 9 and probably starting to be reduced to a 3rd down, more receiving type RB. Hell i'm already seeing signs of that now.

So if contract issues is the only reason you don't see him staying, then prepare to see a lot of Pierce for a long time.
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[quote name='ALSKAN RAVEN FAN' timestamp='1360978355' post='1358959']
Another TD for Oz and company with this young man!
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Don't be surprised if you hear people 10 years from now say that 2012's draft was one of the most important in Ravens Dynasty years.

Upshaw, Ko, and Peirce already play key roles and do it well.

Gino looks to be the Center of the future and the future is now.

Christian Thompson is a lot like Webb, small school guy with big talent. Might not become the player Webb and is but he'll definitely grow under Ed and probably become a solid starter.

Ajax is a gem imo. He's gonna find his way on the field next season some how some way and when he does watch out. The guy is just a player. When he gets the ball in his hands he's thinking score. I still remember that punt return in the preseason. He's gonna surprise a lot of people.

Tommy Streeter might be the best pick of all. The only reason he wasn't drafted in the 2-3 round was because he was so raw and going through different coaching systems hurt his production. The Ravens are fortunate to A. Not be suckered into reaching for him like DHB or the kid Hill last year. B. Unlike the Raiders and Jets, the Ravens offense is good enough to allow him to properly develop. With this guys size, speed and ability to go up and get the ball, he's gonna be a beast playing with Flacco. Smith on one side and Streeter on the other will be torture for years around the NFL.

Even Deangelo Tyson will be a solid rotational dlinman imo. He might end up going to another team where he can play more, but for the few years he's here, he's gonna help aid the Super Bowl runs.

All these guys won't be studs or starters and some might not even make it, but the impact from the ones who do make it, will help the Ravens be the next Dynasty in the NFL. Mainly guys like Upshaw, KO, Gino, Pierce and Streeter, hell that's 5 key players from one draft.
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[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1360982644' post='1359023']
Don't be surprised if you hear people 10 years from now say that 2012's draft was one of the most important in Ravens Dynasty years.

Upshaw, Ko, and Peirce already play key roles and do it well.

Gino looks to be the Center of the future and the future is now.

Christian Thompson is a lot like Webb, small school guy with big talent. Might not become the player Webb and is but he'll definitely grow under Ed and probably become a solid starter.

Ajax is a gem imo. He's gonna find his way on the field next season some how some way and when he does watch out. The guy is just a player. When he gets the ball in his hands he's thinking score. I still remember that punt return in the preseason. He's gonna surprise a lot of people.

Tommy Streeter might be the best pick of all. The only reason he wasn't drafted in the 2-3 round was because he was so raw and going through different coaching systems hurt his production. The Ravens are fortunate to A. Not be suckered into reaching for him like DHB or the kid Hill last year. B. Unlike the Raiders and Jets, the Ravens offense is good enough to allow him to properly develop. With this guys size, speed and ability to go up and get the ball, he's gonna be a beast playing with Flacco. Smith on one side and Streeter on the other will be torture for years around the NFL.

Even Deangelo Tyson will be a solid rotational dlinman imo. He might end up going to another team where he can play more, but for the few years he's here, he's gonna help aid the Super Bowl runs.

All these guys won't be studs or starters and some might not even make it, but the impact from the ones who do make it, will help the Ravens be the next Dynasty in the NFL. Mainly guys like Upshaw, KO, Gino, Pierce and Streeter, hell that's 5 key players from one draft.
[/quote]Don't forget the undrafted Kicker - Tucker is going to be great for a long time!!!
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Slobberfest aside, let's see him stay healthy and put up even better numbers. Not ready to anoint him to Barry Sanders status just yet.

He is awesome already though.
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[quote name='Big G' timestamp='1360983075' post='1359026']
Don't forget the undrafted Kicker - Tucker is going to be great for a long time!!!
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Ahh of course.
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once Pierce improves catching the ball[let me clarify that],once he is thrown the ball to more in the passing game so that he could improve in that aspect,he will become better in the offense,he is already a better pass blocker then Rice[simply bigger for more protection],but with him in the passing game the Ravens can still have the threat of a back out of the backfield and/or pass protect;besides why can't they both be used as they were this year surely having Pierce gain this experience and having this much success,we shouldn't get away from the 'Team' approach for the 'Star' system approach',also Rice himself brought up the subject of being healthy for the season' sharing this work load should help both of them play longer,especially if it works!
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I can see Leach being a cap casualty because of Pierce now that we have 2 capable backs that are getting more snaps. Bernard has been a gamechanger at times this guy will be great.
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I saw Pierce tear up my Terps in person in 2011. He can play. Great runner. Very glad Ozzie pulled the trigger on him even though we already have Rice.
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[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1360965742' post='1358817']
I said last year that the Ravens had the potential to be the most explosively balanced offense in the NFL, they just needed a OC who realized it and gameplanned for it. Well I think Caldwell is that OC.

Rice and Peirce are already one of the top RB duo's in the NFL. Imo they both bring something different, but compliment the offense so well. Either guy can take over a game and with the passing offense clicking, running lanes will be much larger.

I do have my concerns about Ray Rice. I just don't like how much he talks about making sure he's healthy for the whole season and being happy he gets enough rest. Sounds like a vet who is saving himself, not a guy going into year 6. Ray doesn't play with the same type of fearlessness as he did a couple years ago. I remember in 2010, he'd be so tough to tackle because he put that 3rd wheel in the ground and keep rolling. His balance was crazy, but now it seems like he gets tripped up way too easy.

I still love the way he plays, but it does seem like somethings different with him.
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I was wondering the same thing. After watching Rice this year he just didn't seem very explosive like he has in the past. Rice is more of a up the gut runner I'm not sure if its our guards that aren't blocking well for him or if its just him. It might have been Matt Birk too who just wasn't that great at run blocking. Pierce had a lot of success running off tackle from Oher and Mckinnie. Even with KO when he was playing tackle.
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[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1360982644' post='1359023']


Don't be surprised if you hear people 10 years from now say that 2012's draft was one of the most important in Ravens Dynasty years.

Upshaw, Ko, and Peirce already play key roles and do it well.

Gino looks to be the Center of the future and the future is now.

Christian Thompson is a lot like Webb, small school guy with big talent. Might not become the player Webb and is but he'll definitely grow under Ed and probably become a solid starter.

Ajax is a gem imo. He's gonna find his way on the field next season some how some way and when he does watch out. The guy is just a player. When he gets the ball in his hands he's thinking score. I still remember that punt return in the preseason. He's gonna surprise a lot of people.

Tommy Streeter might be the best pick of all. The only reason he wasn't drafted in the 2-3 round was because he was so raw and going through different coaching systems hurt his production. The Ravens are fortunate to A. Not be suckered into reaching for him like DHB or the kid Hill last year. B. Unlike the Raiders and Jets, the Ravens offense is good enough to allow him to properly develop. With this guys size, speed and ability to go up and get the ball, he's gonna be a beast playing with Flacco. Smith on one side and Streeter on the other will be torture for years around the NFL.

Even Deangelo Tyson will be a solid rotational dlinman imo. He might end up going to another team where he can play more, but for the few years he's here, he's gonna help aid the Super Bowl runs.

All these guys won't be studs or starters and some might not even make it, but the impact from the ones who do make it, will help the Ravens be the next Dynasty in the NFL. Mainly guys like Upshaw, KO, Gino, Pierce and Streeter, hell that's 5 key players from one draft.
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Yea Streeter has a lot of talent. He can become our number 1 reciever if he learns to use his hands better.
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Pierce is a good one and will only get better. But Rice is and will remain #1 until the foreseeable future. There isn't too many NFL backs, if any, who could have made that 4th and 29 1st down run which effectively saved the Ravens championship season.
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i think we will be just fine....we dont even get respect when we are rolling heads. so i dont expect to get any wehn we have to reload...lets not forget that Baltimore has a ton of 2nd stringers that would start on any team in need to fill that position. on top of that, or brass always finds diamonds in the dirt. thats why we are in the post season EVERY YEAR. We have the best organization int he league, the best coaches in the league, the best players in the league...RAVENS WILL ALWAYS CONTEND FOR THE TOP SPOT. the heart this team has is unmatched..regardless of so called "commentary proposed talent" ..whatever
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im also looking forward to seeing josh bynes move up the depth chart. this kid can play!!
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