Matt Ryan is still going to be the better QB

[izvoodoo]

I'd rather have flacco. Outside of the Hall of Fame guys (Brady, Rodgers, Brees and Peyton he's my guy).

But matt ryan is a fine quarterback and atlanta should be excited to watch him.

Edit: They're just saying not to write off Matt Ryan. Which I agree.

[Bravens292]

we'll see who is better next year in stats with caldwell in charge. joe will explode and ryan supporters will have nothing else to point to especially when Tony leaves and they'll be wondering what happened.

[hawkprey]

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[quote][b]Falcons take Matt Ryan at No. 3.[/b][color=#292929][font=Mercury SSm A', 'Mercury SSm B', Georgia, Georgia, serif][size=4] So instead of getting Dorsey for defensive-minded coach Mike Smith, Atlanta goes with someone that will help it forget that Michael Vick kid as quickly as possible. Ryan is the traditional dropback quarterback, and those kind of passers have been found leading the most recent Super Bowl winners. I love Ryan's size, arm and competitiveness. And oh yeah, he has the all-important great character.[/size][/font][/color][/quote]
[quote][b]Ravens trade up to take Joe Flacco at No. 18.[/b][color=#292929][font=Mercury SSm A', 'Mercury SSm B', Georgia, Georgia, serif][size=4] The Texans make a great move, getting a third- and sixth-rounder just for sliding down eight spots. Baltimore, meanwhile, reaches for the project quarterback from Delaware. There is no doubt Flacco has the arm and overall skills to be a starter, but the Ravens will need to be very patient. An offensive lineman [b]or cornerback[/b] would have been a better choice.[/size][/font][/color][/quote]
[url="http://www.sbnation.com/2008/4/26/1640259/nfl-draft-round-1-analysis"]http://www.sbnation....ound-1-analysis[/url]

Dude, we coulda had Aquib Talib!!!

[Raven07]

[quote name='DMH_in_WA' timestamp='1360795808' post='1357034']
I kind of always knew this was coming. Forget that Matty Melt failed .. forget 1-4 .. forget all the interceptions ... I knew that once the dust settled, we'd be back to the unending comparison of Flacco to Ryan and that somehow, even being Superbowl MVP and on fire in the playoffs, Ryan would be deemed to be the better QB. Peel back the excuses for Ryan ... peel back his failures ... and you get that while Flacco may have won the SB, Matt Ryan has the higher trajectory and is/will be the better QB from the 2008 draft ... so there.

Whatever. I'll take the guy who elevates in big time games over the guy who seems to melt under the pressure. For the love of all things big and small, it took the incredible decisions of the Seahawks to not kick the ball out the back of the end-zone and then to go into a prevent D when the Falcons only needed 30-yards for a FG in order for him not to go 0-4 in the playoffs.

Why do I torture myself by reading these things?

[url="http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2013-02-13/matt-ryan-atlanta-falcons-vs-joe-flacco-baltimore-ravens-2008-qbs"][b]http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2013-02-13/matt-ryan-atlanta-falcons-vs-joe-flacco-baltimore-ravens-2008-qbs[/b][/url]
[/quote]exactly why I learned a long time ago, to just have faith in my team and let it play out as its going to, reading this and that, just makes me mad, especially when they STILL are putting us down in some form or another, so, I just don't read anything into it.

[berad]

[quote name='hawkprey' timestamp='1360807408' post='1357206']
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[url="http://www.sbnation.com/2008/4/26/1640259/nfl-draft-round-1-analysis"]http://www.sbnation....ound-1-analysis[/url]

Dude, we coulda had Aquib Talib!!!
[/quote]

Hold up, the author of that was Vinnie Iyer - the same guy who wrote the OP article...

Sounds like someone is still trying to cover his tracks.

[CalvinSmoke]

That article should be flipped. I think Matt Ryan came into the league as the better QB. But Flacco has not only caught up, but has surpassed him. It's not as close as these guys try to make it seem.

[Bravens292]

[quote name='Mr. Irrelevant' timestamp='1360805280' post='1357176']
<Insert Stephen A Smith Photo here>
Just so Disrespectful
[/quote]

Smith responds to this article

"That is blasphemous. That is Blasssssphemous.. how dare you.. *high pitch* how dare you say such a thing"

[hawkprey]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1360807599' post='1357209']
Hold up, the author of that was Vinnie Iyer - the same guy who wrote the OP article...

Sounds like someone is still trying to cover his tracks.
[/quote] Yeah I forgot to specify that (it's why I posted it, good catch). Funny how he calls Joe a project quarterback; five years later Matt Ryan has "almost caught up". And Joe has apparently reached his ceiling.

Some people just can't admit they were wrong.

EDIT: Oh and if anyone wants another chuckle...
[quote][b]Packers take Brian Brohm at No. 56.[/b][color=#292929][font='Mercury SSm A', 'Mercury SSm B', Georgia, Georgia, serif][size=4] Again, another pick for which the Pack will get criticized, but another one I like. Great value here for a quarterback who might end up being the best one in this class. This should light a fire under Aaron Rodgers and also gives Green Bay someone to develop if Rodgers can't quite be the successor to Brett Favre.[/size][/font][/color][/quote] ~same author.

[SecretAgentMan]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1360803273' post='1357151']
I feel pretty confident in saying that if Matt Ryan was our QB during this playoff run, we wouldn't [s]be SB champ [/s]have won a playoff game. Ofcourse this is only my personal gut feeling and I like Ryan.
[/quote]
Fixed

[Ravensfan23]

I'll continue to bring this up as long as articles like this come out. Phil Simms said it best, so called experts just can't admit they are wrong about Flacco.

I'll just take the same approach as Mr. B. I don't know how many championships the Ravens can win before we lose that chip on your shoulders, but I hope it never happens.

I hope the Ravens and none of our players ever become media darlings. I want them to continue to have that same disrespectful tone when talking about Flacco. I'm glad Suggs went on first take and showed no respect for Skip. I want them to talk about how this team can survive without Ray. Whatever it takes to keep that chip on the shoulder.


What will they say when Flacco wins the MVP and becomes the first QB in 7 years to actually win a playoff game the year after winning the Super Bowl. Guess that won't be impressive enough either. They'll probably say Ryan has more pro bowls lol.

Does anyone remember when Josh Freeman, Philp Rivers, Tony Romo and Mike Vick were so much better then Flacco? Well Flacco quited all those talks. Ryan, Eli and Ben are next. After next season there will be no question Flacco is better then guys and battling Rogers for best QB in the NFL.

[SecretAgentMan]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1360809931' post='1357271']
I'll continue to bring this up as long as articles like this come out. Phil Simms said it best, so called experts just can't admit they are wrong about Flacco.

I'll just take the same approach as Mr. B. I don't know how many championships the Ravens can win before we lose that chip on your shoulders, but I hope it never happens.

I hope the Ravens and none of our players ever become media darlings. I want them to continue to have that same disrespectful tone when talking about Flacco. I'm glad Suggs went on first take and showed no respect for Skip. I want them to talk about how this team can survive without Ray. Whatever it takes to keep that chip on the shoulder.


What will they say when Flacco wins the MVP and becomes the first QB in 7 years to actually win a playoff game the year after winning the Super Bowl. Guess that won't be impressive enough either. They'll probably say Ryan has more pro bowls lol.

Does anyone remember when Josh Freeman, Philp Rivers, Tony Romo and Mike Vick were so much better then Flacco? Well Flacco quited all those talks. Ryan, Eli and Ben are next. After next season there will be no question Flacco is better then guys and battling Rogers for best QB in the NFL.
[/quote]

He is already better than Ben and Ryan....

Eli is a wildcard.... He has been succesful in the posteason. If he is hot, he is top 5, if not, top 15

Flacco at the moment is...

1. Rodgers
2. Manning
3. Brees
4. Brady
5. Flacco.

[ghost1986]

Actually Flacco has two trophies. AFC Champion and Super Bowl Champion. Oh and Super Bowl MVP. Ryan's a choke artist. If you can't get it done with Julio Jones, Roddy White and Tony Gonzalez, something's wrong. By the way I know the Super Bowl is the only trophy that matters, but I wanted to rub it in his face even more.

[SecretAgentMan]

[quote name='ghost1986' timestamp='1360810365' post='1357280']
Actually Flacco has two trophies. AFC Champion and Super Bowl Champion. Oh and Super Bowl MVP. Ryan's a choke artist. If you can't get it done with Julio Jones, Roddy White and Tony Gonzalez, something's wrong. By the way I know the Super Bowl is the only trophy that matters, but I wanted to rub it in his face even more.
[/quote]
It is also wise to mention that he had the best postseason for any QB in the last ten years.....

Oh... He also got a sexy car

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='Mr. Irrelevant' timestamp='1360810128' post='1357275']


He is already better than Ben and Ryan....

Eli is a wildcard.... He has been succesful in the posteason. If he is hot, he is top 5, if not, top 15

Flacco at the moment is...

1. Rodgers
2. Manning
3. Brees
4. Brady
5. Flacco.
[/quote]

He's better then Ben, Eli and Ryan. I'm talking about from a public perception standpoint. Right now someone could have a fair argument that Ryan, Eli and Ben are comparable if not better then Flacco. However if anyone publicly stated that Freeman, Romo, Vick or Rivers are better then Flacco, i drug test my soon follow from their bosses.

There is still a perception that Flacco doesn't or can't carry this team. I heard Steve Whyce after the SB say he'd still pick Ryan because the Falcons ask him to do more. People still think Flacco just throws the ball up and his WRs bails him out. That because he hasn't thrown for 4,000yds and 30+TDs, he's not a top QB. Well all that will end after next season.

[jaege]

[quote name='beasy2487' timestamp='1360807086' post='1357195']
We've got a Manning v. Brady situation on our hands. Based on early career success (a la Brady) Flacco will probably be the better winner. From a cerebral perspective, Matt Ryan will always appear to be the more "sophisticated" Quarterback. At the end of the day, I'll take the multiple championships that Flacco is going to bring us over the stats that Ryan will put up.
[/quote]

Okay. I see Flacco as either Manning or Brady (more like Brady because he will have multiple rings) but I don't see who Ryan is supposed to be. The water boy? Ryan wishes he could have the respect and adoration of a Manning or Brady. Not in this life. He is and always will be a 2nd tier QB, with good stats. Book it.

[ghost1986]

[quote name='Mr. Irrelevant' timestamp='1360810467' post='1357284']
It is also wise to mention that he had the best postseason for any QB in the last ten years.....

Oh... He also got a sexy car
[/quote]
And he tied Montana for the most TD's in a post-season without throwing a pick. Enjoy it, Matty Melt.

[Moderator 2]

Flacco could win 6 superbowls, save 50 kids and their dogs from a burning building, and 3 SB MVPs and Ryan will still be the better QB. SMH

[SecretAgentMan]

[quote name='Moderator 2' timestamp='1360812890' post='1357324']
Flacco could win 6 superbowls, save 50 kids and their dogs from a burning building, and 3 SB MVPs and Ryan will still be the better QB. SMH
[/quote]
Probably... I was just taking with my dad. He said
"I don't think he is elite, but he sure as hell played like it" If he wins another ring, he's a hall of famer. If he wins two more rings, he's an all time great... The public on the other hand? Who cares what they think? There is no better comeback than Scoreboard"

[izvoodoo]

[quote name='Mr. Irrelevant' timestamp='1360813255' post='1357329']
Probably... I was just taking with my dad. He said
"I don't think he is elite, but he sure as hell played like it" If he wins another ring, he's a hall of famer. If he wins two more rings, he's an all time great... The public on the other hand? Who cares what they think? There is no better comeback than Scoreboard"
[/quote]
I don't think hes elite. My elite QBs are basically hall of fame ballot guys.
Rodgers, Brady, Brees and Peyton. I don't throw the word around, but at the end of the day he can just outplay people.

[JoeCool#5]

Matt Ryan should send a Thank You card to Pete Carroll for taking that timeout at the end of the playoff game to allow Bryant a 2nd chance at redemption.

If Pete doesn't call a timeout. Natty Ice is still winless in the playoffs.

[SecretAgentMan]

[quote name='JoeCool#5' timestamp='1360815564' post='1357366']
Matt Ryan should send a Thank You card to Pete Carroll for taking that timeout at the end of the playoff game to allow Bryant a 2nd chance at redemption.

If Pete doesn't call a timeout. Matt still winless in the playoffs.
[/quote]
Why do you think I still call him Playoff McNoWins?

[RobFuseRaven]

[quote name='PolishRifle' timestamp='1360797400' post='1357061']
As much as I love our receivers, I am still envious of how loaded the Falcons are in this area.
I feel bad for Tony Gonzales though. There's a guy, that really deserves that ring in his career. Let's see what Matt Ryan can do without the greatest TE to ever play the game as his security blanket.
[/quote]

He deserves a ring, but not at our expense. Had they made it to the Super Bowl, we probably would've beat them.

[jar2260]

No one has mentioned the strength of schedule, the Falcons did not have anyway near the schedule of the Ravens! In addition for a large part of their careers the Falcons had the better offenseive line.

[beasy2487]

[quote name='jaege' timestamp='1360811798' post='1357312']
Okay. I see Flacco as either Manning or Brady (more like Brady because he will have multiple rings) but I don't see who Ryan is supposed to be. The water boy? Ryan wishes he could have the respect and adoration of a Manning or Brady. Not in this life. He is and always will be a 2nd tier QB, with good stats. Book it.
[/quote]

Lol. That's wishful thinking. Matt Ryan is a great quarterback, I don't know why fans think that giving Matt Ryan credit means taking something away from Joe. I see Ryan as a Manning-type and Flacco as a Brady-type.

[jaege]

[quote name='beasy2487' timestamp='1360850291' post='1357533']
Lol. That's wishful thinking. Matt Ryan is a great quarterback, I don't know why fans think that giving Matt Ryan credit means taking something away from Joe. I see Ryan as a Manning-type and Flacco as a Brady-type.
[/quote]


I have no "wishful thinking" that Ryan is a less than great QB. His abilities and status have no effect upon me whatsoever. He is not even in the Ravens conference, so they will rarely play the Falcons or face Ryan. I am just calling it as I see it. He has one...just one, successful playoff appearance, although he is fat with targets and offensive talent. Some of the best in the league. Manning is one of the best QBs in the history of football. Are you actually saying that Ryan is going to reach Mannings accolades? I don't see it. He is more on par with Romo or Rivers. Good, competent, fairly successful, a middle of the pack QB. Thats it. He cannot get better talent around him so I do not see how he will progress much from where he is. He is good enough that with a little luck he could help the Falcons get an SB, but that is far from guaranteed.


Where do you see great?

[berad]

[quote name='hawkprey' timestamp='1360808585' post='1357237']
Yeah I forgot to specify that (it's why I posted it, good catch). Funny how he calls Joe a project quarterback; five years later Matt Ryan has "almost caught up". And Joe has apparently reached his ceiling.

Some people just can't admit they were wrong.

EDIT: Oh and if anyone wants another chuckle...
~same author.
[/quote]

lolol if only we could have drafted superstars like Talib and Brohm instead of Flacco

[Malkavian Raven]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]There is so much wrong with this article, to even try and rip it apart would be an all-day event.[/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]Some of the highlights for me though:[/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]1.) Ryan has a great arsenal of receivers and a complimentary running back. Because Ryan is allowed to throw a lot of under-coverage routes (and granted he completes a great deal of them), that makes him the better QB? That is their only argument?[/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]2.) And to say that "we've seen the best of Joe Flacco"; brave words considering the man just obliterated the opposition throughout the playoffs. Joe may have hit the proverbial ceiling, but when he hit, he blew the roof off to make more room.[/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]2013 is going to be Joe's coming out party.[/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]#RAVENSSBREPEAT[/i][/font]

[beasy2487]

[quote name='jaege' timestamp='1360853116' post='1357552']
I have no "wishful thinking" that Ryan is a less than great QB. His abilities and status have no effect upon me whatsoever. He is not even in the Ravens conference, so they will rarely play the Falcons or face Ryan. I am just calling it as I see it. He has one...just one, successful playoff appearance, although he is fat with targets and offensive talent. Some of the best in the league. Manning is one of the best QBs in the history of football. Are you actually saying that Ryan is going to reach Mannings accolades? I don't see it. He is more on par with Romo or Rivers. Good, competent, fairly successful, a middle of the pack QB. Thats it. He cannot get better talent around him so I do not see how he will progress much from where he is. He is good enough that with a little luck he could help the Falcons get an SB, but that is far from guaranteed.


Where do you see great?
[/quote]

Well, you're saying Joe is great simply because of his playoff wins. Let me caveat this next statement by saying that I too think Joe is the better QB, but if Ryan gets a single defensive stop, a PI call on Navarro Bowman, or any help whatsoever from his special teams (say: a 108-yd kick return, perhaps?) he's in the SB as well. Joe has been the beneficiary (in the past) of a much better overall team than Ryan had earlier in his career. Joe beat New England in a playoff game where he threw for 34 yards for god's sake (Not his fault, he didn't have to throw for us to win that game, but Ryan has never been a situation where he didn't have to win the game for his team). I don't understand why you're belittling Ryan's accomplishments when (statistically) his first 5 years have been better almost identical to Peyton's in the regular season AND post season in that span.

Feels weird defending Ryan right now but his only shortcomings are his playoff choke jobs which was EXACTLY the same knock on Peyton before Rex Grossman handed him the Super Bowl. To this point, Ryan's career has been eerily similar to Peyton's... why the bias against him lol? Just look at the numbers.

[berad]

[quote name='beasy2487' timestamp='1360866101' post='1357713']
Well, you're saying Joe is great simply because of his playoff wins. Let me caveat this next statement by saying that I too think Joe is the better QB, but if Ryan gets a single defensive stop, a PI call on Navarro Bowman, or any help whatsoever from his special teams (say: a 108-yd kick return, perhaps?) he's in the SB as well. Joe has been the beneficiary (in the past) of a much better overall team than Ryan had earlier in his career. Joe beat New England in a playoff game where he threw for 34 yards for god's sake (Not his fault, he didn't have to throw for us to win that game, but [b]Ryan has never been a situation where he didn't have to win the game for his team)[/b]. I don't understand why you're belittling Ryan's accomplishments when (statistically) his first 5 years have been better almost identical to Peyton's in the regular season AND post season in that span.

Feels weird defending Ryan right now but his only shortcomings are his playoff choke jobs which was EXACTLY the same knock on Peyton before Rex Grossman handed him the Super Bowl. To this point, Ryan's career has been eerily similar to Peyton's... why the bias against him lol? Just look at the numbers.
[/quote]

Really? He threw a combined 1 TD and 8 INTs in two WINS. One of those was a 0 TD, 5 INT effort.

[FerrariFan87]

Bah, who cares? Flacco is clearly superior. They're grasping at straws.