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Matt Ryan is still going to be the better QB

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I kind of always knew this was coming. Forget that Matty Melt failed .. forget 1-4 .. forget all the interceptions ... I knew that once the dust settled, we'd be back to the unending comparison of Flacco to Ryan and that somehow, even being Superbowl MVP and on fire in the playoffs, Ryan would be deemed to be the better QB. Peel back the excuses for Ryan ... peel back his failures ... and you get that while Flacco may have won the SB, Matt Ryan has the higher trajectory and is/will be the better QB from the 2008 draft ... so there.

Whatever. I'll take the guy who elevates in big time games over the guy who seems to melt under the pressure. For the love of all things big and small, it took the incredible decisions of the Seahawks to not kick the ball out the back of the end-zone and then to go into a prevent D when the Falcons only needed 30-yards for a FG in order for him not to go 0-4 in the playoffs.

Why do I torture myself by reading these things?

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I completely disagree.

The reason that Ryan has had better regular season numbers is because when he was drafted he immediately became the face of the franchise so they built the team around him. Matt Ryan has always felt the pressure to put up points because his defense isn't so great. When Joe was drafted we were still a defensive minded team and Ray was the face of the franchise. Joe and our offense (except for this season) have never felt the pressure to put up yards/points b/c our defense has always been stingy.

Now that this is Joe's team I believe that our offense will put up bigger numbers than the black and purple is used to seeing. I'm not taking anything away from Ryan he is a great regular season QB, sub par post season QB but Joe is an above average regular season QB and a great post season QB.
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They can say whatever they want.

Ryan supporters like to point to the fact that Ryan has marginally better individual stats than Flacco. When confronted with the knowledge that Romo has better stats than Ryan they point to Matt Ryan's wins. Funny, huh?

I've seen the phrase [i]'winningest QB in the NFC'[/i] on those forums... guess who's the winningest QB in the league...
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As much as I love our receivers, I am still envious of how loaded the Falcons are in this area.
I feel bad for Tony Gonzales though. There's a guy, that really deserves that ring in his career. Let's see what Matt Ryan can do without the greatest TE to ever play the game as his security blanket.
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I honestly don't think Matt Ryan is that much better than Joe, even in terms of stats. He had ten more TDs this year and more yards, but his team has no good RB, and his version of Cam Cameron got fired before the season. We'll get a fair comparison next year when Joe gets to work with Caldwell for an entire year.

And of course you can't beat the clutch factor. Some players have it, some don't, and some need a little while to develop it. Flacco has had it since day one, but we're still waiting for Ryan.
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Meh. The comparison doesn't even bother me anymore. The fact is that Flacco has as many rings as Ryan has playoff wins. That's all I need to know.
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Before Flacco won the ship the way he did all this was understandable. Now it is just plain stupidity.

Just count the trophies baby....

Flacco- 1
Ryan- 0 HASNT EVEN BEEN TO The SUPERBOWL

Enough said
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[quote name='berad' timestamp='1360796950' post='1357055']Ryan supporters like to point to the fact that Ryan has marginally better individual stats than Flacco. When confronted with the knowledge that Romo has better stats than Ryan they point to Matt Ryan's wins. Funny, huh?[/quote]I point this out all the time. To this day I have no idea why Matty 2 Points is considered "Ice" while Romo is called a choker. They're basically the same guy, except that Romo actually has better stats, worse coaching, and an inferior team around him. As I mentioned before, the media chooses their "guys" and sticks with them no matter what.
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I'll preface this by saying Ryan is a good QB, but he would not survive in the AFC North and it irks me to no end how no sports writer/ journalist, whatever you want to call them, ever mentions the fact that Ryan plays in the NFC South home of some of the softest defenses in the entire league and 2 domed fields. N.O.? Just wow, even when Greg Williams was there the defense still gave up a ton of yardage and significant points, TB hasn't had a good defense since Monte Kiffin was there and the Panthers (while having good young pieces in the front 7) are still giving up 23 ppg.
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I stopped caring when Flacco got his ring, and even before I didn't care that much.

Let them cling to their stats. It's all they have.
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I'll take a SB MVP over a melted pot of ice any day...

Oh, and the melted pot has a greater arsenal of weapons at his disposal. Prob the best in the NFL

White, who is just a great all around WR

and Jones, who is a Calvin Johnson esq athlete
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[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1360798427' post='1357088']
I stopped caring when Flacco got his ring, and even before I didn't care that much.

Let them cling to their stats. It's all they have.
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true that
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Some QBs have talents that make the players around them better. You can give them any type of WR and they'll shine. Some guys have limitations that you need to have great well rounded guys surrounding them.

Matt Ryan is a guy that needs great talent around him. The offense he is in is perfect for him, because it hides his weaknesses. Ryan has a above average arm, isn't a QB who can stretch the field wide and deep consistently and he struggles to read defenses.

These are all of the concerns i had about Ryan coming out of BC when I wanted the Ravens to draft him. Now none of those weaknesses makes Ryan a bad QB, just mot as good as everyone makes him out to be. Having guys like Jones, White and Tony G inside of a timing offense plays to Ryan's strength.

Although it's tough to do, the comparison to me breaks down to this. If Flacco was in ATL, would that offense be the same worse or better? At the very least the same, but imo Flacco would really elevate that offense into the type of offense Roddy White cliams they are gonna be every offseason.

Now if you put Ryan into this Ravens offense and didn't change a thing, I don't think Ryan would be able to maintain this offense, let along elevate it. Especially under Cam. He doesn't have the arm strength to consistently attack outisde the numbers, he doesn't have the deep ball accuracy to consistently take advantage of the speed in this offense. He also doesn't have the same drive on his throws to be able to deliver the ball into tight windows with these WRs not creating much separation.

Also with all his comeback victories and a name like Ice, he gets flustered far more then people say, at least from what I see. I'm not sure how he would handle the physical nature of the Steelers and playing at Hienz field every year. I'm not sure he'd be able to overcome Bill Belicheks defensive schemes seemingly every year.

I like Matt Ryan, but I think with the young QBs coming up and himing losing Tony G and maybe White over the next few years, Ryan could quickly become like Philp Rivers. People will just get tried of waiting on him.
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All you have to do is look at Ryan's numbers when he plays top competition - for instance, 2011 vs. GB, CHI, HOU - 2 TDs, 5 picks, and we all know what he did in the playoffs. This year - 5 picks against Arizona, the only top passing defense he played all season, the 2 picks against Seattle in the playoffs, and then the second half pick against San Francisco that helped seal the deal. You can even go back to 2010 and see how poorly he fared against the Rothelisberger-less Steelers.
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I feel pretty confident in saying that if Matt Ryan was our QB during this playoff run, we wouldn't be SB champ. Ofcourse this is only my personal gut feeling and I like Ryan.
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Flacco is a better QB than Ryan at this point, and I see no reason why that will change. I have seen way too many Matt Ryan collapses in critical moments even though Ryan has arguably the best receiving weapons in the entire NFL. Ryan also plays the majority of his games in a dome or warm weather against the weak defenses of the NFC South.

People will continue to make excuses for him and it's true that he is a very good QB, but Flacco is a tier above him. He has the hardware to prove it, and no one can take that from him. Ryan doesnt have Joe's arm and he doesnt have the calm demeanor under pressure. He also isn't as athletic as Joe which shows itself when the pocket gets muddied.
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[quote name='Tiz' timestamp='1360803839' post='1357153']
Here's to the day we see matt Ryan on Nfln top 10 qbs to never win the Super Bowl
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Exactly lol.
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there's no comparison between Flacco and Ryan, Flacco is da man. the Falcons are even lucky to win vs sea-hawks if it wasn't for coach carroll calling Time out when kicker missed FG and gave them another chance to kick it.
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I can see why people do this.Flaccos not really a likable guy(unless youre a ravens fan).People want Ryan to be the next best thing because they all loved him so much in college.But the one thing you cant deny if you want to be taken seriously by someone who knows football is Jones/White >>> Smith/Boldin.Those two would make any qb look good.If Matt Ryan was as good as they say he is,he wouldve been able to score atleast 3 points in the playoffs last year and wouldve been able to score atleast 3 in the second half vs the niners AT HOME in a dome.
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The future HOF can be the better QB all he wants. As long as our inferior QB who has thrown 18 td and 2 int in his last three postseasons keeps racking up super bowl MVP awards, I could care less about this psuedo-debate
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[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1360804710' post='1357170']
The future HOF can be the better QB all he wants. As long as our inferior QB who has thrown 18 td and 2 int in his last three postseasons keeps racking up super bowl MVP awards, I could care less about this psuedo-debate
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Flacco is one of the greatest young QBs ever........... The fact that the sports media is comparing a guy who has gotten the most playoff wins in his first five season potentially the greatest postseason for a QB in the last ten years, a Super Bowl MVP to a guy who may post amazing stats in the regular season, but is lucky to have one playoff win is just

<Insert Stephen A Smith Photo here>
Just so Disrespectful

If anything (especially if Flacco wins another SB)

FLACCO is the future HOF QB. With all that sucess in the postseason, another ring would get him a spot in the Hall. Three rings would get him to be an all time great.....
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We've got a Manning v. Brady situation on our hands. Based on early career success (a la Brady) Flacco will probably be the better winner. From a cerebral perspective, Matt Ryan will always appear to be the more "sophisticated" Quarterback. At the end of the day, I'll take the multiple championships that Flacco is going to bring us over the stats that Ryan will put up.
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