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[black blood purple passion]

So ever since the news story came out that Cody has dissappointed (not that, that isn't true), and Ozzies comments about solidifying the middle of the defence, I've noticed a lot of Mocks are swinging towards us getting a NT in the first. A number of them have us picking John Jenkins the massive NT from Goergia.


I don't like it, replace one mammoth with another. I'm tired of seeing teams hoping that just because a guy is more than 350 pounds, that he won't be able to be pushed back. I watched him play against Bama, and more often then not Linebackers were dodging Jenkins as he was getting blown off the line. Bama's O line is about as close to an NFL calibre line as you'll find in college, so this to me is a good representation of what we would see from him at the next level.

To his credit he manages to get a good amount of pass rush from the NT position, but thats because the O line drops into pass pro and he gets a bit of a head of steam, but in the run game he's so slow off the ball that he gets caught in his stance, and just turns side wise and tries to hold his ground but more often than not fails. Personally I think we see from the Elite DT's in the league i,e Ngata, Suh, Gerald McCoy, whoever else you want to name, sure they're 330+ pounds but a good 80% of that is muscle, not flab. I think a good NT would go a long way to strengthening up our defence, as Ngata vs any tackle is a mismatch on its own.

I don't know who we should go for though.

I'm not liking many of the first rounders, can someone give me a list of late round prospects to look up.

[gabefergy]

I dont like him, certainly not in the first round.

[black blood purple passion]

I dont like him, certainly not in the first round.

he's just fat. I watched a few of his official game tapes *cough* youtube *cough* and he spends more time being pushed into the hook than on the line of scrimmage.

[gabefergy]

he's just fat. I watched a few of his official game tapes *cough* youtube *cough* and he spends more time being pushed into the hook than on the line of scrimmage.

I agree. I hear some ppl buzzing about how well he moves for a 350lb fat guy, but I honestly could care less how he moves. I want my NT to be immovable!

[black blood purple passion]

I agree. I hear some ppl buzzing about how well he moves for a 350lb fat guy, but I honestly could care less how he moves. I want my NT to be immovable!

haha agreed. I like the athleticism of Jesse Williams, but too me he's legs look disproportionately small to his arms, and in football especially in the trenches your legs have to be your biggest assets. He can throw around college O linemen with his arms pretty well but NFL linemen will have too good of a base for that so I don't know how well he'll transfer his skills either.

[PuRock]

Well we could always draft Jose Jose late in the draft. *Laughs hysterically*

[black blood purple passion]

Well we could always draft Jose Jose late in the draft. *Laughs hysterically*

lol he's got more muscle tone than jenkins.

[gabefergy]

Well we could always draft Jose Jose late in the draft. *Laughs hysterically*

Wait, that dude's name is Jose Jose??

[PuRock]

Kwame Geathers is another name being thrown around who is the other Georgia Tackle. He is also a mountain of a man at 6'6 355. He's got a bigger (not so much fat) frame than Cody (and carries his weight better). But he is another guy that can get pushed around. Against Alabama you could see him get worn down and just get destroyed.

But if you can get him disciplined he can be very good. His technique is just sort of inconsistent. He also has NFL lineage in his family.

Honestly, I am not a fan of his either, just throwing a name out there.

Edited by PuRock, 13 February 2013 - 01:41 PM.

[PuRock]

Wait, that dude's name is Jose Jose??

Yep. He's kind of a sad player. He actually got kicked off the UCF team. But he decided to declare early for the draft. Which is probably ill advised. He probably won't get drafted. He's not very good just big.

Edited by PuRock, 13 February 2013 - 01:34 PM.

[Johnwilson]

i like him but i don't like him he is very strong and in that bama game he beat Chance Warmack one of the best guards the draft for a sack the QB. and if anybody watch the GTech tape of the Georgia the whole did bad because the triple option the o-line goes after your legs. now the tape you should watch of him is this on. what i did like is that he has no motor so he has to be in a rotation to be successful and he has to condition himself in the NFL but fresh this man is a beast so idk what some people are talking bout.

Edited by Johnwilson, 13 February 2013 - 01:49 PM.

[Johnwilson]

and this is how a 350 pd man is suppose to move LOL

Edited by Johnwilson, 13 February 2013 - 01:48 PM.

[black blood purple passion]

i like him but i don't like him he is very strong and in that bama game he beat Chance Warmack one of the best guards the draft for a sack the QB. and if anybody watch the GTech tape of the Georgia the whole did bad because the triple option the o-line goes after your legs. now the tape you should watch of him is this on. what i did like is that he has no motor so he has to be in a rotation to be successful and he has to condition himself in the NFL but fresh this man is a beast so idk what some people are talking bout.

I addressed your first point in my topic. He's a fairly decent pass rusher from the NT position because the O line doesn't come right out at him. But he gets blown up in the run game. Also, one good play doesn't make up for 10-12 poor ones.

The tape we should be watching is the one I told you all about, the alabama game because also as I said, their offensive line is ripe with NFL talent, which gives us the best look at how he stacks up vs next level competition.

and finally, what we're talking about is not wasting a first round pick on a rotational player when our defence is likely to be chalk full of holes due to FA departures.

[black blood purple passion]

Kwame Geathers is another name being thrown around who is the other Georgia Tackle. He is also a mountain of a man at 6'6 355. He's got a bigger (not so much fat) frame than Cody (and carries his weight better). But he is another guy that can get pushed around. Against Alabama you could see him get worn down and just get destroyed.

But if you can get him disciplined he can be very good. His technique is just sort of inconsistent. He also has NFL lineage in his family.

Honestly, I am not a fan of his either, just throwing a name out there.

personally I'd rather take a late round flyer on this guy, than invest a first round talent on Jenkins.

[GrimCoconut]

I will be furious if we draft Jenkins. I don't even want him in the 2nd round. He plays sloppy, he looks sloppy, doesn't stand up well at the POA. He's like Cody 2.0. He is a better pass rusher. It's easier to make a good run defender than pass rusher, and he moves well for a man his size. With that said, outside of his athleticism, I hate him as a pick. I really don't like him. Did I say that enough. I'd rather take Jesse Williams, of whom I am also not fond.

I want B. Williams, Boyd, Short, Hill, Geathers as possible NTs. I don't feel like we need to invest a high pick into the position. I feel like we'd be better suited to wait for a vet to get cut & pick him up for cheap, or get a guy like Roy Miller who plays 4-3 DT for the Bucs but I feel like he can play well enough to be a very good NT here in this system. Heck, I would rather go with Jones at NT than Jenkins.

NTs drafted early aren't even necessarily better than ones taken late. It's a position like center where quality players are found throughout. Between Geathers & Jenkins I would take Geathers due to value, STs, as well as he seems about as athletic and leaner & gets pushed around about as much as Jenkins. Jenkins is probably a better pass rusher.

My choice for NT solution is keep Cody, draft a guy in the 3rd-7th round (Geathers, B. Williams), get a DT who can play both (Hill, Short, Boyd), & pick up some cut vet with character problems (Ratliff!) due to less money & no compensatory effect or get a DT in free agency (Roy Miller my man from the Buccaneers!) to play NT.

[black blood purple passion]

I will be furious if we draft Jenkins. I don't even want him in the 2nd round. He plays sloppy, he looks sloppy, doesn't stand up well at the POA. He's like Cody 2.0. He is a better pass rusher. It's easier to make a good run defender than pass rusher, and he moves well for a man his size. With that said, outside of his athleticism, I hate him as a pick. I really don't like him. Did I say that enough. I'd rather take Jesse Williams, of whom I am also not fond.

I want B. Williams, Boyd, Short, Hill, Geathers as possible NTs. I don't feel like we need to invest a high pick into the position. I feel like we'd be better suited to wait for a vet to get cut & pick him up for cheap, or get a guy like Roy Miller who plays 4-3 DT for the Bucs but I feel like he can play well enough to be a very good NT here in this system. Heck, I would rather go with Jones at NT than Jenkins.

NTs drafted early aren't even necessarily better than ones taken late. It's a position like center where quality players are found throughout. Between Geathers & Jenkins I would take Geathers due to value, STs, as well as he seems about as athletic and leaner & gets pushed around about as much as Jenkins. Jenkins is probably a better pass rusher.

My choice for NT solution is keep Cody, draft a guy in the 3rd-7th round (Geathers, B. Williams), get a DT who can play both (Hill, Short, Boyd), & pick up some cut vet with character problems (Ratliff!) due to less money & no compensatory effect or get a DT in free agency (Roy Miller my man from the Buccaneers!) to play NT.

We'll have to see how McBean turns out as well. I hope Ziggy Ansah falls due to his lack of experience, however his measurables are off the charts, but thats my dream pick in the first. I think he'd have an upshaw like season, slow start, then he'd pick it up and become a monster a very capable starter. He's 275ish, I think he could be a 3-4 DE and we could move Ngata to NT, however, with Ngata's knee issues I'd rather keep him away from the C/G cutting him.

[BMORElegacy]

i like him but i don't like him he is very strong and in that bama game he beat Chance Warmack one of the best guards the draft for a sack the QB. and if anybody watch the GTech tape of the Georgia the whole did bad because the triple option the o-line goes after your legs. now the tape you should watch of him is this on. what i did like is that he has no motor so he has to be in a rotation to be successful and he has to condition himself in the NFL but fresh this man is a beast so idk what some people are talking bout.

I don't want to sound mean, but trying to read your posts makes my head hurt...

[gabefergy]

Kwame Geathers is another name being thrown around who is the other Georgia Tackle. He is also a mountain of a man at 6'6 355. He's got a bigger (not so much fat) frame than Cody (and carries his weight better). But he is another guy that can get pushed around. Against Alabama you could see him get worn down and just get destroyed.

But if you can get him disciplined he can be very good. His technique is just sort of inconsistent. He also has NFL lineage in his family.

Honestly, I am not a fan of his either, just throwing a name out there.

I like Geathers as a 4th or 5th round pick. He has just as much upside IMO, but needs some quality coaching. Waaaay better value.

[BMORElegacy]

[GrimCoconut]

We'll have to see how McBean turns out as well. I hope Ziggy Ansah falls due to his lack of experience, however his measurables are off the charts, but thats my dream pick in the first. I think he'd have an upshaw like season, slow start, then he'd pick it up and become a monster a very capable starter. He's 275ish, I think he could be a 3-4 DE and we could move Ngata to NT, however, with Ngata's knee issues I'd rather keep him away from the C/G cutting him.

I was on board the Ngata to NT movement. I think I was even one of the first to suggest it. But I hate the idea now with the injuries that have plagued Ngata. I think he has been so injured due to the poor performance of the NT. When you couple his injuries with the poor NT play and see the evidence from him being more injured since Gregg left, it's pretty convincing he needs some help. We have to get someone.

I would throw McBean in there. We'll get someone to compete. Definitely a pick, but I think we'll pick up a cut vet somewhere, and I feel like Ratliff could be it due to wanting to prove something. The JJ fighting & the drunk driving will kill his stock, so I can see the Ravens taking a risk to see how he does here.

I like Geathers. I would draft him for us because I don't see much difference between him & Jenkins.