2013 Forum Draft: Voting

[gabefergy]

[quote name='stm85' timestamp='1361470548' post='1364100']
A couple of things. 1, 24 hours for a vote is the rule, you can't change that. 2, what is all this stuff about Brandon22 and the Raiders? 3, why do you accused Corvus of being malicious in his dealings?
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I think it is a poor attempt at humor. Failing miserably.

As per the vote, I am going to abstain. I want Truth to have a team, but wasnt Corvus' supposed to take care of the Panthers for him until he got back? Corvus had every opportunity to take his own team but he didnt want one.

I dont like the precedent of kicking out a GM because we dont like him or 2 days of inactivity.

[stm85]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1361471185' post='1364110']
I think it is a poor attempt at humor. Failing miserably.

As per the vote, I am going to abstain. I want Truth to have a team, but wasnt Corvus' supposed to take care of the Panthers for him until he got back? Corvus had every opportunity to take his own team but he didnt want one.

I dont like the precedent of kicking out a GM because we dont like him or 2 days of inactivity.
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I agree with this. I say we should vote to put a new GM in place in the event that Johnwilson isn't active by FA. The only question is whether that new GM should be Corvus or Truth.

[Alexir]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1361471185' post='1364110']


I think it is a poor attempt at humor. Failing miserably.

As per the vote, I am going to abstain. I want Truth to have a team, but wasnt Corvus' supposed to take care of the Panthers for him until he got back? Corvus had every opportunity to take his own team but he didnt want one.

I dont like the precedent of kicking out a GM because we dont like him or 2 days of inactivity.
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Agreed, this is a fun game and biased reasoning shouldn't be involved when making decisions of if people can participate or not.

[Sizzlebshu]

[quote name='stm85' timestamp='1361470548' post='1364100']
A couple of things. 1, 24 hours for a vote is the rule, you can't change that. 2, what is all this stuff about Brandon22 and the Raiders? 3, why do you accused Corvus of being malicious in his dealings?
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1. Fair enough, but figured Id throw it out there given the last few votes have been decided relatively quickly and decisively. I mean no real reason to have a 24 hour voting period when its 14 to 2 after 10 hours.

2. Running joke. Guess the joke missed like gabe said

3. Hyperbole. I didn't mean to imply he was malicious in intent just that the fire sale he had where everyone was available and he was trading everyone on his team other than Cam basically for picks led to a savage (better word) gutting of his team (Stewart, Gross, Beason, hell even Keuchley was on the block at one point).

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='stm85' timestamp='1361471393' post='1364112']


I agree with this. I say we should vote to put a new GM in place in the event that Johnwilson isn't active by FA. The only question is whether that new GM should be Corvus or Truth.
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That's more than fair. So, we need to revise this. If JW isn't back the day before FA, then Truth gets the team. If not, then Truth gets the Panthers. That's the bottom-line. Corvus just doesn't get to participate since he wouldn't have anyway.

[ravens__]

[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1361472560' post='1364129']

That's more than fair. So, we need to revise this. If JW isn't back the day before FA, then Truth gets the team. If not, then Truth gets the Panthers. That's the bottom-line. Corvus just doesn't get to participate since he wouldn't have anyway.
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I agree with this.

[Sizzlebshu]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1361470946' post='1364106']
I don't really pay attention to sizzle, just taking shots for no reason. Honestly don't know why he is putting these vote polls up if he can't do it unbiased . Obviously lacks the maturity to do so, can someone else take over?
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Its a joke thats not even directed at you. We have been saying it for awhile now that Brandon22 would be the perfect GM for Oakland. Its not maliciously targeted towards you, you just happen to own Oakland who happens to be known for reaching on players and not making great draft decisions. Brandon22 is not even in the mock so there is no bias.

Get over yourself.

[Sizzlebshu]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1361471185' post='1364110']
I think it is a poor attempt at humor. Failing miserably.

As per the vote, I am going to abstain. I want Truth to have a team, but wasnt Corvus' supposed to take care of the Panthers for him until he got back? Corvus had every opportunity to take his own team but he didnt want one.

I dont like the precedent of kicking out a GM because we dont like him or 2 days of inactivity.
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Hey I tried what are you gonna do? You take shots an hope they hit. Better than missing 100% of the ones you dont take.

As per the vote, I put it up because it was called for in the discussion thread by Grim.

If you guys want to withhold placement until free agency thats fine with me. I dont care either way.

[Sizzlebshu]

[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1361470808' post='1364103']
Yeah...I don't think personal opinions should be addressed in an opening poll. That is biased at its finest. Good catch. I didn't read to be honest, lol. Just saw the headline and voted for Truth.

I don't understand talk about replacing Alexir with Brandon22. I assume that was a joke. Alexir's not bad. Brandon's not even active every day.
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Again the intent of the joke wasn't to replace Alexir. The intent of the joke was to pair Brandon with Oakland. I was really not taking any shot at Alexir. He just happens to own Oakland who I think Brandon 22 could make very fitting decisions for

[Sizzlebshu]

[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1361472560' post='1364129']
That's more than fair. So, we need to revise this. If JW isn't back the day before FA, then Truth gets the team. If not, then Truth gets the Panthers. That's the bottom-line. Corvus just doesn't get to participate since he wouldn't have anyway.
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revised in the original poll

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='Sizzlebshu' timestamp='1361472971' post='1364135']

Hey I tried what are you gonna do? You take shots an hope they hit. Better than missing 100% of the ones you dont take.

As per the vote, I put it up because it was called for in the discussion thread by Grim.

If you guys want to withhold placement until free agency thats fine with me. I dont care either way.
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I think we can still vote on who replaces who in case John doesn't return. That makes sense for the sake of keeping it going. Otherwise we will have to wait 24hours again and hold this up more. We can just vote on if the NO GM doesn't return then who manages it. Pretty simple.

[Sizzlebshu]

[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1361473782' post='1364145']
I think we can still vote on who replaces who in case John doesn't return. That makes sense for the sake of keeping it going. Otherwise we will have to wait 24hours again and hold this up more. We can just vote on if the NO GM doesn't return then who manages it. Pretty simple.
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poll's been edited.

[T3hRaven]

I vote no, nothing against Turth, but it's not fair to kick someone out.

[Ed_Reed20]

I vote yes for Truth.

[ravensdan]

I vote yes ONLY if John does not return by free agency.

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='ravensdan' timestamp='1361494397' post='1364474']
I vote yes ONLY if John does not return by free agency.
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In case it's not clear elsewhere, then I agree with this.

Yes for Truth as NO GM if John Wilson is not back 12 hours before FA begins.

My only question is when? It's not fair to just throw him into FA. We should give Truth some time to actually enter FA.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1361494751' post='1364478']

In case it's not clear elsewhere, then I agree with this.

Yes for Truth as NO GM if John Wilson is not back 12 hours before FA begins.

My only question is when? It's not fair to just throw him into FA. We should give Truth some time to actually enter FA.
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We are doing QBs first right? He doesnt need one at least.

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1361495230' post='1364483']
We are doing QBs first right? He doesnt need one at least.
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I thought it was QB, RB, FB Day 1?

[Mt. Crushmore]

[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1361495321' post='1364484']

I thought it was QB, RB, FB Day 1?
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QB

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='Mt. Crushmore' timestamp='1361496210' post='1364490']


QB
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What's the schedule? Obviously QB's the first day but after that?

[-Truth-]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1361495230' post='1364483']


We are doing QBs first right? He doesnt need one at least.
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Yes, sir. I'll either have Drew Brees or Cam Newton, so I probably won't be bidding on QBs.

[Mt. Crushmore]

[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1361496560' post='1364493']

What's the schedule? Obviously QB's the first day but after that?
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Check the rules thread (on mobile).

[stm85]

[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1361495321' post='1364484']
I thought it was QB, RB, FB Day 1?
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That is correct

[gabefergy]

[quote name='stm85' timestamp='1361497330' post='1364500']


That is correct
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Thats not what the rules thread says.

[stm85]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1361498267' post='1364508']
Thats not what the rules thread says.
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Really? When I asked a while back that's what I was told. What is the schedule then?

[gabefergy]

[quote name='stm85' timestamp='1361500102' post='1364522']
Really? When I asked a while back that's what I was told. What is the schedule then?
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It says only QBs. TEs/WRs/RBs together.

[indianstick]

wait so what happened with this voting..i know alexir allowed me till midnight to make a decision if the bid was valid but I didn't check this till now cause i thought the voting ended at 1 am (like this quote states) and if the bid is valid I want to match the bid.

[quote name='Sizzlebshu' timestamp='1361427115' post='1363752']
[color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]********* NEW VOTE ISSUE *************[/font][/color]

[b]Protecting the Shield [/b]


The rules of RFA were not established prior to the RFA period and the Oakland GM, Alexir, believes that it is unfair that his bid on Sam Shields is invalid due to the following point

[b]© No First Refusal Exercise Notice[/b][color=#292929][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][background=rgb(247, 247, 247)][font='Mercury SSm A', ', ', 'Mercury SSm B', ', Georgia, Georgia, serif} '][size=4]. If the Prior Club does not give the Restricted Free Agent the First Refusal Exercise Notice within the applicable period, the player and the New Club shall be deemed to have entered into a binding agreement, which they shall promptly formalize in a Player Contract, containing (i) all the Principal Terms; (ii) those terms of the NFL Player Contract not modified by the Principal Terms; and (iii) such additional terms, not less favorable to the Restricted Free Agent than those contained in the Offer Sheet, as may be agreed upon between the Restricted Free Agent and the New Club (subject to Section 5 below), and the Restricted Free Agent’s Prior Club shall receive from the New Club the Draft Choice Compensation, if any, specified in Section 2 above of this Article. [b]Any Club that does not have available, in the upcoming Draft, the selection choice or choices (its own or better choices in the applicable rounds) needed to provide Draft Choice Compensation in the event of a timely First Refusal Exercise Notice may not sign an Offer Sheet in such circumstances.[/b] The player and the New Club may not renegotiate such Player Contract to reduce the Salary in such contract until after the end of the first regular season covered by the Contract. Neither the player nor the New Club may exercise an option in such Player Contract that reduces Salary in the first League Year of such contract until after the end of the first regular season covered by the Contract.[/size][/background][/size][/font][/font][/color]


[background=rgb(247, 247, 247)]The portion relevant is bolded[/background]

[color=#292929][background=rgb(247, 247, 247)][b]Argument[/b]: His claim for it being unfair was because he did not know about this prior to bidding and believes that we should just completely disregard it as not part of the rules. [/background][/color]

[b]Counter Argument[/b]: Even if this were established in the beginning Oakland could not have made a bid because they could not satisfy the bolded portion as a result there was no loss of liberty. Not to mention, Oakland still has the option of trading for Sam Shields.


[background=rgb(247, 247, 247)][color=#292929]Vote: Should Alexir's bid go through? [/color][/background]

[background=rgb(247, 247, 247)][color=#292929]Voting Ends Feb 22nd 1:00 a.m. [/color][/background]
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[Guest nflfan123]

[quote name='Sizzlebshu' timestamp='1361427115' post='1363752']
[color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]********* NEW VOTE ISSUE *************[/font][/color]

[b]Protecting the Shield [/b]


The rules of RFA were not established prior to the RFA period and the Oakland GM, Alexir, believes that it is unfair that his bid on Sam Shields is invalid due to the following point

[b]© No First Refusal Exercise Notice[/b][color=#292929][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][background=rgb(247, 247, 247)][font='Mercury SSm A', ', ', 'Mercury SSm B', ', Georgia, Georgia, serif} '][size=4]. If the Prior Club does not give the Restricted Free Agent the First Refusal Exercise Notice within the applicable period, the player and the New Club shall be deemed to have entered into a binding agreement, which they shall promptly formalize in a Player Contract, containing (i) all the Principal Terms; (ii) those terms of the NFL Player Contract not modified by the Principal Terms; and (iii) such additional terms, not less favorable to the Restricted Free Agent than those contained in the Offer Sheet, as may be agreed upon between the Restricted Free Agent and the New Club (subject to Section 5 below), and the Restricted Free Agent’s Prior Club shall receive from the New Club the Draft Choice Compensation, if any, specified in Section 2 above of this Article. [b]Any Club that does not have available, in the upcoming Draft, the selection choice or choices (its own or better choices in the applicable rounds) needed to provide Draft Choice Compensation in the event of a timely First Refusal Exercise Notice may not sign an Offer Sheet in such circumstances.[/b] The player and the New Club may not renegotiate such Player Contract to reduce the Salary in such contract until after the end of the first regular season covered by the Contract. Neither the player nor the New Club may exercise an option in such Player Contract that reduces Salary in the first League Year of such contract until after the end of the first regular season covered by the Contract.[/size][/background][/size][/font][/font][/color]


[background=rgb(247, 247, 247)]The portion relevant is bolded[/background]

[color=#292929][background=rgb(247, 247, 247)][b]Argument[/b]: His claim for it being unfair was because he did not know about this prior to bidding and believes that we should just completely disregard it as not part of the rules. [/background][/color]

[b]Counter Argument[/b]: Even if this were established in the beginning Oakland could not have made a bid because they could not satisfy the bolded portion as a result there was no loss of liberty. Not to mention, Oakland still has the option of trading for Sam Shields.


[background=rgb(247, 247, 247)][color=#292929]Vote: Should Alexir's bid go through? [/color][/background]

[background=rgb(247, 247, 247)][color=#292929]Voting Ends Feb 22nd 1:00 a.m. [/color][/background]
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i vote yes

[Sizzlebshu]

[quote name='indianstick' timestamp='1361511668' post='1364601']
wait so what happened with this voting..i know alexir allowed me till midnight to make a decision if the bid was valid but I didn't check this till now cause i thought the voting ended at 1 am (like this quote states) and if the bid is valid I want to match the bid.
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its officially a yes so feel free to match it. No idea how to go about that but i would post it in the rfa thread. Not sure if its in you best interest to match it tho, but since you already said you want to feel free.

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='Sizzlebshu' timestamp='1361514076' post='1364621']

its officially a yes so feel free to match it. No idea how to go about that but i would post it in the rfa thread. Not sure if its in you best interest to match it tho, but since you already said you want to feel free.
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Siz, check your messages.