2013 Forum Draft: Voting

[Dubs]

[quote name='Dubs' timestamp='1360717766' post='1356055']
[color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]ISSUE: Roster Bonuses in our Offseason[/font][/color]

[color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Option 1) We include roster bonuses in our salary for every move we make (cuts and trades) - This means that you will have to cross examine your players with [/font][/color][url="http://www.rotoworld.com/teams/contracts/nfl/sea/seahawks"]Rotoworld[/url][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]. Reasoning is it brings more realism to game.[/font][/color]
[color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif] Ex. Zach Miller has a gurantee of 3 Mill roster bonus due March 22, if we cut we would also save this[/font][/color]

[color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]OR [/font][/color]

[color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Option 2) We do not include roster bonus money in contracts when we cut/trade. Reasoning [/font][/color]Rotoworld may not have figures for every player who has a roster bonus[color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif] and it would be simpler to follow just base salaries on [/font][/color][url="http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/seattle-seahawks/cap-hit/"]Spotrac[/url][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]. Spotrac also does not specify in its bonus section what is a roster bonus and what may be other bonuses (ex. workout, weight, etc.)[/font][/color]
[color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif] [/font][/color]
[color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]*****VOTING CLOSES on WED FEB. 13 at 7pm EST*****[/font][/color]
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***VOTING CLOSED

Outcome: We will be including roster bonuses for all cut and traded players. Make sure you click on the player hyperlink in Spotrac to see if they have a roster bonus. if so this counts along with the base salary

[The Oakland Cathedral]

[quote name='Dubs' timestamp='1360807012' post='1357194']


***VOTING CLOSED

Outcome: We will be including roster bonuses for all cut and traded players. Make sure you click on the player hyperlink in Spotrac to see if they have a roster bonus. if so this counts along with the base salary
[/quote]For roster bonuses when would they be "activated" because generally a date is set for when the bonuses are paid out?

[Dubs]

Feb 24th - the start of our new season and FA

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='Dubs' timestamp='1360807012' post='1357194']
***VOTING CLOSED

Outcome: We will be including roster bonuses for all cut and traded players. Make sure you click on the player hyperlink in Spotrac to see if they have a roster bonus. if so this counts along with the base salary
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Is it retroactive on trades & cuts?

[The Oakland Cathedral]

[quote name='Dubs' timestamp='1360807369' post='1357204']
Feb 24th - the start of our new season and FA
[/quote]Thanks

[Dubs]

[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1360807656' post='1357212']
Is it retroactive on trades & cuts?
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We may need another vote on that, as I was wondering the same...

lets move this to the discussion thread in the meantime

[ZIBBY28]

How do you guys want me to handle Steven Jackson's contract... full player option - Should I assume he's an UFA or on the Rams' roster? I'm indifferent... let me know.

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='ZIBBY28' timestamp='1360814994' post='1357355']
How do you guys want me to handle Steven Jackson's contract... full player option - Should I assume he's an UFA or on the Rams' roster? I'm indifferent... let me know.
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I think that's up to you. My interpretation is it's a voidable contract, which would mean you can "cut" him if you want, or pick it up and retain him for 7S or whatever it is.

[ZIBBY28]

I'm still confused about the bonus money. I traded finnegan (base 9s), but currently, I'm "eating" an additional 6s (1s signing, 5s other bonuses)... Does the vote free me of any/all this additional 6 mil?

[Mt. Crushmore]

[quote name='ZIBBY28' timestamp='1361133630' post='1360048']
I'm still confused about the bonus money. I traded finnegan (base 9s), but currently, I'm "eating" an additional 6s (1s signing, 5s other bonuses)... Does the vote free me of any/all this additional 6 mil?
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No. The trade was done before this was in effect I believe. You wouldn't be able to get rid if the signing bonus either way though. I don't know what the other bonus was.

[flaccopoe]

Shall we have a vote on un-cutting players before free agency begins?

[gabefergy]

[quote name='flaccopoe' timestamp='1361140388' post='1360176']
Shall we have a vote on un-cutting players before free agency begins?
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Once you cut a player, you can't uncut him.

[flaccopoe]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1361140428' post='1360179']
Once you cut a player, you can't uncut him.
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I know, that's the point of the Poll!

[gabefergy]

[quote name='flaccopoe' timestamp='1361140495' post='1360182']
I know, that's the point of the Poll!
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Ok, well it's pretty obvious what the answer is going to be.

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1361140633' post='1360188']

Ok, well it's pretty obvious what the answer is going to be.
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Lol, if we do vote on this I am against being able to un-cut a previously cut player. It'll cause far too many problems.

[arnie_uk]

It's not even getting a poll, that's ridiculous.

[gabefergy]

********* NEW VOTE ISSUE *************


"The Graham Sham"

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[color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Official Trade[/font][/color]

[color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Chiefs: 1st round pick (1), Cory Redding, Kevin Boss[/font][/color]
[color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Saints: 1st round pick (15), 3rd round pick (76), 4th round pick (129), Jimmy Graham[/font][/color]

[color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif][/quote][/font][/color]

[color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Argument: [/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Jimmy Graham is a Premier player and would never be traded.[/font][/color]

[color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Voting ends February 18 at 8:15 EST.[/font][/color]

[gabefergy]

Veto the Graham trade. Premier player, arguably best TE in the NFL.

[SecretAgentMan]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1361150263' post='1360399']
Veto the Graham trade. Premier player, arguably best TE in the NFL.
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Veto

[GrimCoconut]

I am [b]against the veto[/b] of "The Graham Sham" or whatever you want to call it, lol. Here's my argument against the veto:

While Graham has clean character, a premier TE in the NFL, cheap, and very productive, the Chiefs are losing on tremendous value (regardless of the quality of the draft) in giving up the #1 overall pick and dropping to I think 14th overall? The trade value chart, which I use when determining trade value, is definitely skewed in favor of the Saints. While I realize that it's not ideal for the Saints to lose a lot of value, and they really are because they already do not have a 2nd round pick, I don't vote on value--I vote on the trade. As such, regardless of my opinion on value, I feel like it should go through.

[Geving]

Veto

[The Oakland Cathedral]

Allow the Graham Sham

[Sizzlebshu]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1361150216' post='1360398']
********* NEW VOTE ISSUE *************


"The Graham Sham"

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[color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Argument: [/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Jimmy Graham is a Premier player and would never be traded.[/font][/color]

[color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Voting ends February 18 at 8:15 EST.[/font][/color]
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Veto

[gabefergy]

4-2 in favor of veto

[gabefergy]

[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1361150445' post='1360405']
I am [b]against the veto[/b] of "The Graham Sham" or whatever you want to call it, lol. Here's my argument against the veto:

While Graham has clean character, a premier TE in the NFL, cheap, and very productive, the Chiefs are losing on tremendous value (regardless of the quality of the draft) in giving up the #1 overall pick and dropping to I think 14th overall? The trade value chart, which I use when determining trade value, is definitely skewed in favor of the Saints. While I realize that it's not ideal for the Saints to lose a lot of value, and they really are because they already do not have a 2nd round pick, I don't vote on value--I vote on the trade. As such, regardless of my opinion on value, I feel like it should go through.
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Remove value from the equation and ask yourself what the Saints trade their young superstar TE?

[Ed_Reed20]

Veto

[Sizzlebshu]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1361150653' post='1360412']
Remove value from the equation and ask yourself what the Saints trade their young superstar TE?
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Even if you factor in value the chiefs won out tremendously as Graham has more value that any player in this draft because he is not only elite, but a proven commodity unlike anyone in this draft.

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1361150653' post='1360412']
Remove value from the equation and ask yourself what the Saints trade their young superstar TE?
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I'm not changing my opinion on the matter. I wouldn't do it, if that's what you're asking me. I would never trade Graham. You know my opinion on the matter, I'm sure. I only traded Britt, CJ2K & Locker because to be honest those players have underwhelmed & had big contracts (CJ2K). If Calvin's contract was less, he would have remained. I can't pay a RB 10S. That's ridiculous. Locker was always The Hurt Locker. I kept Britt, and I'm glad I did.

I am against trading Graham. I am. With that said, I think the GM needs to be allowed to do what he wants if it's not Brees.

[The Oakland Cathedral]

[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1361150808' post='1360418']

I'm not changing my opinion on the matter. I wouldn't do it, if that's what you're asking me. I would never trade Graham. You know my opinion on the matter, I'm sure. I only traded Britt, CJ2K & Locker because to be honest those players have underwhelmed & had big contracts (CJ2K). If Calvin's contract was less, he would have remained. I can't pay a RB 10S. That's ridiculous. Locker was always The Hurt Locker. I kept Britt, and I'm glad I did.

I am against trading Graham. I am. With that said, I think the GM needs to be allowed to do what he wants if it's not Brees.
[/quote]Chris not Calvin..

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='Miami Hurricane' timestamp='1361150862' post='1360422']
Chris not Calvin..
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Lol! Yeah, good catch. Thanks. Calvin would go nowhere.

Too many Johnsons!