2013 Forum Draft: Voting

[Yatagarasu]

I'll give you Haruki Nakamura for free if you change your vote to D.

[stm85]

I can't be bought that easy, who do you think I am? Obama?

[Yatagarasu]

[quote name='stm85' timestamp='1363847167' post='1408349']
I can't be bought that easy
[/quote]

See all the 7ths I was stockpiling. They're for you if you accept my deal.

[Yatagarasu]

Haruki Nakamura will mysterious appear on your roster without anyone knowing.

[-Truth-]

[quote name='Corvus Amplus' timestamp='1363847453' post='1408352']
Haruki Nakamura will mysterious appear on your roster without anyone knowing.
[/quote]

What's Option D?

[Yatagarasu]

[quote name='-Truth-' timestamp='1363848077' post='1408356']


What's Option D?
[/quote]

Filibuster

[Yatagarasu]

[quote name='-Truth-' timestamp='1363848077' post='1408356']


What's Option D?
[/quote]

Filibuster

[-Truth-]

[quote name='Corvus Amplus' timestamp='1363848336' post='1408359']


Filibuster
[/quote]

Come again?

[flaccopoe]

[quote name='Corvus Amplus' timestamp='1363845436' post='1408327']
A:

B: ClintLB8, stm85, indianstick, Sizzlebshu

C:T3hRaven, Mr.Irrelevant

D: Alexir, gabefergy, Miami Hurricanes, Dubs, Corvus Amplus, JO_75
[/quote]

I vote D.

[-Truth-]

I vote Option D.

[Ozzsome]

Let him trade down if h wants to. When you dont want to wait that long then cut down the time to 12 hours or something. It is within the rules why ban him?

I dont like it either but I wouldnt ban him because of that

[Sizzlebshu]

[quote name='Ray The Day' timestamp='1363863431' post='1408407']
Let him trade down if h wants to. When you dont want to wait that long then cut down the time to 12 hours or something. It is within the rules why ban him?

I dont like it either but I wouldnt ban him because of that
[/quote]
We arent banning him because he wants to trade down. Some of us honestly feel like he is delaying the mock on purpose. He trades for a pick and then immediately puts that pick on the block and when no one wants it, he threatens to use the time period to hold the mock freaking hostage until someone agrees to deal with him. This would be fine if he did it once or twice, but when he does it multiple times in a round, it get really freaking old. He isn't accumulating picks to better his team or god forbid move back up, he is accumulating picks to accumulate picks.

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1363838160' post='1408058']


I dont want Brandon in here, and I dont want to kick Corvus out. I just would like to see some common decency...how about that?
[/quote]
This is how I feel. Kicking Corvus out is a bit extreme. Granted, his methods have not been favorable in my opinion. Still, I would like kicking out a GM to be a last resort only for the worst events.

With that said, I will not participate in any future mock involving him. No offense to anyone. I just feel like this is absurd.

[Sizzlebshu]

[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1363865304' post='1408416']
This is how I feel. Kicking Corvus out is a bit extreme. Granted, his methods have not been favorable in my opinion. Still, I would like kicking out a GM to be a [b]last resort only for the worst events.[/b]

[b]With that said, I will not participate in any future mock involving him.[/b] No offense to anyone. I just feel like this is absurd.
[/quote]
Contradiction? The fact that it has gotten this bad should be more than enough to make it last resort status. Corvus wasnt originally a part of this mock anyway. He was only suppose to hold a team for Truth so I see no problem with kicking him out if he is causing this,

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='Sizzlebshu' timestamp='1363871688' post='1408530']

Contradiction? The fact that it has gotten this bad should be more than enough to make it last resort status. Corvus wasnt originally a part of this mock anyway. He was only suppose to hold a team for Truth so I see no problem with kicking him out if he is causing this,
[/quote]
No, not really. It's still not a last resort. He would need to start trying to trade Cam for me to really get on board with kicking him out. If he starts to do that, I might be with you due to the players traded, the constant trading down due to the abundance of "4th round talent", the threats of not taking a player until all 24hours have passed, the attitude when others question his moves, etc.

I wouldn't have cared if Corvus kept trying to trade down in all honesty. I even offered to trade down when I took McFadden. I know he has made this a habit, but it's not all that unreasonable. Still, the straw that broke the camel's back for me was when he said he would take all 24 hours or whatever. That really pissed me off.

[SecretAgentMan]

[quote name='-Truth-' timestamp='1363850731' post='1408370']
I vote Option D.
[/quote]
There is no option D.
He's making up his own options so he can stay in the game

[-Truth-]

[quote name='Mr. Irrelevant' timestamp='1363904948' post='1409365']
There is no option D.
He's making up his own options so he can stay in the game
[/quote]

That option should've been present from the get-go. The ones that were laid out were biased, as there was no option to leave it be.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='-Truth-' timestamp='1363905577' post='1409377']
That option should've been present from the get-go. The ones that were laid out were biased, as there was no option to leave it be.
[/quote]

I dont think it is an actual vote. We aren't kicking someone out fore being annoying.

[ClintLB8]

[quote name='-Truth-' timestamp='1363905577' post='1409377']
That option should've been present from the get-go. The ones that were laid out were biased, as there was no option to leave it be.
[/quote]

So, he is clearly showing everyone that he is delaying the game and holding it hostage and you just say let it be? I mean, I understand there should have been another let it be option but just don't understand why you are picking it. Which is better.. upset one GM or several? I'm about to just give up my team. If people on this board are cool with childish behavior and want to resort to a let it be then I want no part of it. I'm sure you care very little about me leaving this game or not.. it's not a threat because I'm sure no one cares but I'm just saying, this isn't fun.

[-Truth-]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1363906036' post='1409388']
I dont think it is an actual vote. We aren't kicking someone out fore being annoying.
[/quote]

I hoped so. Thanks for clearing it up.

[-Truth-]

[quote name='ClintLB8' timestamp='1363906134' post='1409389']
So, he is clearly showing everyone that he is delaying the game and holding it hostage and you just say let it be? I mean, I understand there should have been another let it be option but just don't understand why you are picking it. Which is better.. upset one GM or several? I'm about to just give up my team. If people on this board are cool with childish behavior and want to resort to a let it be then I want no part of it. I'm sure you care very little about me leaving this game or not.. it's not a threat because I'm sure no one cares but I'm just saying, this isn't fun.
[/quote]

He is, which is immature and selfish of him to do so. But he isn't breaking any rules, so it's difficult for me to advocate punishing him if he isn't doing anything that's against the rules. The best course of action would have been for us to ignore it and not give into his demands. That only fueled his behavior. The latter part is simply not true. I would care and I hope that you'll stick around.

[ClintLB8]

[quote name='-Truth-' timestamp='1363908999' post='1409449']
He is, which is immature and selfish of him to do so. But he isn't breaking any rules, so it's difficult for me to advocate punishing him if he isn't doing anything that's against the rules. The best course of action would have been for us to ignore it and not give into his demands. That only fueled his behavior. The latter part is simply not true. I would care and I hope that you'll stick around.
[/quote]

Well, maybe people will actually listen to that and if so then maybe it'd work. I just feel like we are opening the door for this type of behavior to be tolerated by doing this.. even if the rule is fixed, the fact that he is doing it for attention and to be annoying just means he'll find something else to do to bend rules and do the same thing. It's a never ending process until the game puts its foot down and says it won't be tolerated. Thanks for saying the second part. I appreciate it.

[GrimCoconut]

In lieu of the fact that Corvus is posting fake trades, as confirmed by Crush, I would like something done about this. We talk a lot about integrity here. That is the basis of why we veto unrealistic trades. If this is the case, and we have a GM making fake trades with the hope of confirmation, that behavior cannot be deemed acceptable.

I'm not asking for a ban, ejection, whatever. I am asking for disciplinary action of some form. In the NFL, if you do things that disrupt the integrity of the game there is disciplinary action.

My proposal is not a ban, but to revoke his 4th round picks. I believe he has two. This should settle the matter of immaturity. If he proceeds, revoke his 5ths. We cannot allow this behavior to continue. It's unacceptable and is now bordering on the line of causing people to leave this game who have played with integrity.

I believe this is a completely fair resolution to this issue, one devised from a rational head not emotional impulse.

[Sizzlebshu]

[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1363910034' post='1409470']
In lieu of the fact that Corvus is posting fake trades, as confirmed by Crush, I would like something done about this. We talk a lot about integrity here. That is the basis of why we veto unrealistic trades. If this is the case, and we have a GM making fake trades with the hope of confirmation, that behavior cannot be deemed acceptable.

I'm not asking for a ban, ejection, whatever. I am asking for disciplinary action of some form. In the NFL, if you do things that disrupt the integrity of the game there is disciplinary action.

My proposal is not a ban, but to revoke his 4th round picks. I believe he has two. This should settle the matter of immaturity. If he proceeds, revoke his 5ths. We cannot allow this behavior to continue. It's unacceptable and is now bordering on the line of causing people to leave this game who have played with integrity.

I believe this is a completely fair resolution to this issue, one devised from a rational head not emotional impulse.
[/quote]
Considering what the Bears did to us two years ago irl, good luck with that. You dont get it both ways. Either he is a problem or he isn't. All your discussing here is degree.

[ClintLB8]

[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1363910034' post='1409470']
In lieu of the fact that Corvus is posting fake trades, as confirmed by Crush, I would like something done about this. We talk a lot about integrity here. That is the basis of why we veto unrealistic trades. If this is the case, and we have a GM making fake trades with the hope of confirmation, that behavior cannot be deemed acceptable.

I'm not asking for a ban, ejection, whatever. I am asking for disciplinary action of some form. In the NFL, if you do things that disrupt the integrity of the game there is disciplinary action.

My proposal is not a ban, but to revoke his 4th round picks. I believe he has two. This should settle the matter of immaturity. If he proceeds, revoke his 5ths. We cannot allow this behavior to continue. It's unacceptable and is now bordering on the line of causing people to leave this game who have played with integrity.

I believe this is a completely fair resolution to this issue, one devised from a rational head not emotional impulse.
[/quote]

Wow, this is actually an incredible idea. I mean, this is what I'm talking about. Sending a message that blatant disrespect for the game and other GMs will not be tolerated. I'm fine with this and it should solve the problem.

[Yatagarasu]

Still continuing the Corvus-hunt. Clearly Option D states none of the above or no actions, which means I haven't done anything serious to warrant a punishment.

[ClintLB8]

[quote name='Corvus Amplus' timestamp='1363910769' post='1409483']
Still continuing the Corvus-hunt. Clearly Option D states none of the above or no actions, which means I haven't done anything serious to warrant a punishment.
[/quote]

Why can't you just play the game with some integrity? Just stop being selfish and be respectful to the fact that you are making a lot of GMs mad.

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='Corvus Amplus' timestamp='1363910769' post='1409483']
Still continuing the Corvus-hunt. Clearly Option D states none of the above or no actions, which means I haven't done anything serious to warrant a punishment.
[/quote]
Disrupting the integrity of the game with the attempt to post unconfirmed or undiscussed trades, causing distress in the game, unsatisfied members who feel the fun has been lost as a result of your trades.

If we veto unrealistic trades involving franchise players, how is your behavior any different? It isn't. Frankly, I'm sick of it. The Saints got punished, lost draft picks. Same with the Pats. Sure, one cheated and the other had a bounty scandal. I can easily say your behavior is disruptive & sapping the enjoyment out of the game & is deliberate after others have repeatedly requested you to cease. Disrespect is another I can name.

I'm sorry, but while I understand your point and defended you against a silly ban, I don't find your behavior innocent or in any way harmless.

[Yatagarasu]

Those tentative trades are posted to reduce agreement time. Example for the 94th pick. You guys wanted to speed up the process, so I made tentative agreements with couple of GMs so they get see what was agreed on, draft, and move on.

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='Corvus Amplus' timestamp='1363911424' post='1409494']
Those tentative trades are posted to reduce agreement time. Example for the 94th pick. You guys wanted to speed up the process, so I made tentative agreements with couple of GMs so they get see what was agreed on, draft, and move on.
[/quote]
Tentative trades consisting of Julius Peppers? Right. Sure.

I think we should put this to a vote, to penalize Corvus two 4th round draft picks as punishment for his blatant disrespect, unagreed trades being posted, as well as being simply incendiary towards other members of this game, as well as manipulating other members to acquire more draft picks through threat of delaying the game as clearly evidenced by your original post.