2013 Forum Draft: Trades

[The Oakland Cathedral]

[quote name='Sizzlebshu' timestamp='1364767744' post='1421135']

whoever got Harewood. Solid starting guard
[/quote]With Zeitler and Warford he was just a pricey backup so I felt dealing him was the right choice.

[Mt. Crushmore]

I like Harewood but not at 1.5 stars.

[Sizzlebshu]

[quote name='Miami Hurricane' timestamp='1364767855' post='1421139']
With Zeitler and Warford he was just a pricey backup so I felt dealing him was the right choice.
[/quote]
Warford is a unknown commodity and insurance against injuries is always good.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='Sizzlebshu' timestamp='1364767744' post='1421135']
whoever got Harewood. Solid starting guard
[/quote]
The Ravens disagree.

[The Oakland Cathedral]

[quote name='Sizzlebshu' timestamp='1364767937' post='1421143']

Warford is a unknown commodity and insurance against injuries is always good.
[/quote]I still have other backup guards.

[Clutch Ravens]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1364768452' post='1421153']
The Ravens disagree.
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I've been looking to dump Wilson for a while since he was benched during obvious passing situations last season and he's way past his prime.

I'm not looking at Harewood as a clear-cut starter. He'd be a guy that could compete to earn the spot in training camp and would be on a relatively short leash if he won the job then struggled.

Still pretty content getting 2 7ths and a likely back-up Guard for a guy that is done.

[The Oakland Cathedral]

[quote name='Clutch Ravens' timestamp='1364769987' post='1421171']


I've been looking to dump Wilson for a while since he was benched during obvious passing situations last season and he's way past his prime.

I'm not looking at Harewood as a clear-cut starter. He'd be a guy that could compete to earn the spot in training camp and would be on a relatively short leash if he won the job then struggled.

Still pretty content getting 2 7ths and a likely back-up Guard for a guy that is done.
[/quote]Ya I like Wilson as a solid backup safety that can mentor any young guys I bring in. Since I had 4 7th's plus a comp it wasn't a big deal losing 2 lol.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='Clutch Ravens' timestamp='1364769987' post='1421171']
I've been looking to dump Wilson for a while since he was benched during obvious passing situations last season and he's way past his prime.

I'm not looking at Harewood as a clear-cut starter. He'd be a guy that could compete to earn the spot in training camp and would be on a relatively short leash if he won the job then struggled.

Still pretty content getting 2 7ths and a likely back-up Guard for a guy that is done.
[/quote]

I dont mind Harewood as a back-up, but I think it's a stretch to call him a solid starter. You did well in that trade just by getting two picks and depth. Cincinatti gets a veteran player at a thin position so I think it was a win win.

[stm85]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1364770653' post='1421182']
I dont mind Harewood as a back-up, but I think it's a stretch to call him a solid starter. You did well in that trade just by getting two picks and depth. Cincinatti gets a veteran player at a thin position so I think it was a win win.
[/quote]

Harewood is a solid option as the first OL off the bench, because he can play both G and T. I wouldn't mind him as part of a platoon at guard that swaps players based on whether it is a running or passing situation.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='stm85' timestamp='1364770984' post='1421189']
Harewood is a solid option as the first OL off the bench, because he can play both G and T. I wouldn't mind him as part of a platoon at guard that swaps players based on whether it is a running or passing situation.
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NFL teams swap players out due to situation? That one is new to me. Sounds like a bad idea.

[stm85]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1364771062' post='1421191']
NFL teams swap players out due to situation? That one is new to me. Sounds like a bad idea.
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Paul Kruger and Courtney Upshaw say hello

[The Oakland Cathedral]

[quote name='stm85' timestamp='1364771540' post='1421199']


Paul Kruger and Courtney Upshaw say hello
[/quote]I think he is talking about the O-Line specifically...

[stm85]

[quote name='Miami Hurricane' timestamp='1364771711' post='1421201']
I think he is talking about the O-Line specifically...
[/quote]

Oh, well there are times where it makes sense. Switching in a pass blocking specialist on 3rd and long doesnt hurt anything, the defense knows the pass is coming anyway.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='stm85' timestamp='1364771540' post='1421199']
Paul Kruger and Courtney Upshaw say hello
[/quote]

Uhh yeah, OL not defense...

[gabefergy]

[quote name='stm85' timestamp='1364771822' post='1421202']
Oh, well there are times where it makes sense. Switching in a pass blocking specialist on 3rd and long doesnt hurt anything, the defense knows the pass is coming anyway.
[/quote]

I dont think any teams rotate Olineman that I am aware of. Bring in extra lineman? yes, but that is the extent of it.

[stm85]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1364771848' post='1421203']
Uhh yeah, OL not defense...
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You just said players, my bad. Still, like I said above it makes sense in some circumstances. The defense isn't gonna respect the run on 3rd and long, so why not bring in a pass blocker? Obviously you don't want to do it every play but a rotation like that can help keep guys fresh and have your best personnel on the field in certain situations.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='stm85' timestamp='1364772016' post='1421205']
You just said players, my bad. Still, like I said above it makes sense in some circumstances. The defense isn't gonna respect the run on 3rd and long, so why not bring in a pass blocker? Obviously you don't want to do it every play but a rotation like that can help keep guys fresh and have your best personnel on the field in certain situations.
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I dont think so, most teams play their best 5 OL. Moving them in and out just messes with continuity which is one of the most important aspects of OL success. It would cause far more problems than any minor advantage gained.

[stm85]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1364772187' post='1421207']
I dont think so, most teams play their best 5 OL. Moving them in and out just messes with continuity which is one of the most important aspects of OL success. It would cause far more problems than any minor advantage gained.
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I've heard of the Jets doing it and a few other teams. I wasn't really referring to a constant rotation, but a few situational subs. You want your best 5 out there for most plays but I do think it can be helpful to make a sub or two when the defense knows what you are going to do anyway, especially if one of your guys is a poor pass blocker.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='stm85' timestamp='1364772351' post='1421209']
I've heard of the Jets doing it and a few other teams. I wasn't really referring to a constant rotation, but a few situational subs. You want your best 5 out there for most plays but I do think it can be helpful to make a sub or two when the defense knows what you are going to do anyway, especially if one of your guys is a poor pass blocker.
[/quote]

So bad teams do it? OK, good strategy.

[stm85]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1364772808' post='1421212']
So bad teams do it? OK, good strategy.
[/quote]

The Jets are bad because of the Sanchize, they have had success with their line in the past. I don't think it is a strategy for everyone to rely on but there are some situations where it makes sense to me. With my team I plan on using it sparingly. Kevin Boothe is my starter at LG and is an above average starter, and therefore will be in for the vast majority of snaps. However, when my team is obvious passing situations, I will switch out Boother (my worst pass blocker) with Kory Liechtensteiger (my best pass blocking guard but a terrible run blocker) to protect my QB. I think that is a good strategy but one that is to be used in only very specific situations.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='stm85' timestamp='1364773303' post='1421217']
The Jets are bad because of the Sanchize, they have had success with their line in the past. I don't think it is a strategy for everyone to rely on but there are some situations where it makes sense to me. With my team I plan on using it sparingly. Kevin Boothe is my starter at LG and is an above average starter, and therefore will be in for the vast majority of snaps. However, when my team is obvious passing situations, I will switch out Boother (my worst pass blocker) with Kory Liechtensteiger (my best pass blocking guard but a terrible run blocker) to protect my QB. I think that is a good strategy but one that is to be used in only very specific situations.
[/quote]

Sounds like you need better players.

[stm85]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1364773494' post='1421219']
Sounds like you need better players.
[/quote]

Doubt it, I have one of the top lines, very few teams can top Monroe-Boothe-Hudson-Asamoah-Winston. If Boothe is my worst starter its a great problem to have.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='stm85' timestamp='1364773786' post='1421223']
Doubt it, I have one of the top lines, very few teams can top Monroe-Boothe-Hudson-Asamoah-Winston. If Boothe is my worst starter its a great problem to have.
[/quote]

I like Fisher - Incognito - Wells - Pouncey - Beatty enough to not rotate any of my players.

[stm85]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1364774037' post='1421226']
I like Fisher - Incognito - Wells - Pouncey - Beatty enough to not rotate any of my players.
[/quote]

I mean I wouldn't generally rotate unless I have a backup who specializes in 1 thing. I feel like you are not understanding that. I wouldn't rotate anyone on your team either, but I definitely prefer my starting line to yours.

[The Oakland Cathedral]

I like my line of Albert-Warford-Robinson-Zeitler-Armstead a lot as well.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='stm85' timestamp='1364774146' post='1421228']
I mean I wouldn't generally rotate unless I have a backup who specializes in 1 thing. I feel like you are not understanding that. I wouldn't rotate anyone on your team either, but I definitely prefer my starting line to yours.
[/quote]

Of course you would, but I think mine is better at every position except maybe LT. Then again Fisher could easily become an All-Pro given the talent he has demonstrated against college competition.

I still think rotating OL is a horrible idea.

[Mt. Crushmore]

Glenn-Levitre-Wood-Urbik-Reiff

Young and talented. Enough said.

[stm85]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1364774643' post='1421234']
Of course you would, but I think mine is better at every position except maybe LT. Then again Fisher could easily become an All-Pro given the talent he has demonstrated against college competition.

I still think rotating OL is a horrible idea.
[/quote]

Fisher is gonna be great in a year or 2 but Monroe is already a top 5 LT and only 25 years old. Boothe and Incognito are easily the weak points of both of our lines. Wells and Hudson is hard to call because Hudson missed all of last season pretty much but was looking very good until then, while Wells has had a good career but was horrible last year. Pouncey is better than Asamoah but they are both very good. Winston is better than Beatty but again, both are top 10 RTs. In the end it's pretty close, just a matter of preference I guess.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='stm85' timestamp='1364774994' post='1421237']
Fisher is gonna be great in a year or 2 but Monroe is already a top 5 LT and only 25 years old. Boothe and Incognito are easily the weak points of both of our lines. Wells and Hudson is hard to call because Hudson missed all of last season pretty much but was looking very good until then, while Wells has had a good career but was horrible last year. Pouncey is better than Asamoah but they are both very good. Winston is better than Beatty but again, both are top 10 RTs. In the end it's pretty close, just a matter of preference I guess.
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Winston isnt anywhere close to Beatty, who is a top LT but I have him playing at RT because I think Fisher will be [i]that[/i] good. He could easily slide over to LT and let Fisher play RT. Wells was injured last season as well, but he has a much better track record than Hudson. Asamoah isnt that great, while Pouncey is an All-Pro. It's really not close IMO, but hey it's a pointless argument.

[The Oakland Cathedral]

[quote name='stm85' timestamp='1364774994' post='1421237']


Fisher is gonna be great in a year or 2 but Monroe is already a top 5 LT and only 25 years old. Boothe and Incognito are easily the weak points of both of our lines. Wells and Hudson is hard to call because Hudson missed all of last season pretty much but was looking very good until then, while Wells has had a good career but was horrible last year. Pouncey is better than Asamoah but they are both very good. Winston is better than Beatty but again, both are top 10 RTs. In the end it's pretty close, just a matter of preference I guess.
[/quote]I think of Beatty more as a top 12 or so LT rather than a RT but that's just my opinion.