2013 Forum Draft: Discussion

[Dubs]

Got a Rules thread going...if you see any issues please bring up or things that need clarifying or you dont agree with.


**Is everyone ok with Feb 22 as the day we need to assign all RFA, ERFA and Franchise tenders****

[gabefergy]

As for the Salary Cap Carryover I made my case earlier as to why I dont think we should have it, but I will spell it out here so everyone can see.

- Carryover in real life has a much different affect on free agency then it does in a single season mock. Teams cant just throw around money because they saved it from last season. Contracts have multiple years to them and the affect is seen many years down the road. In our mock draft that is not the case. 20 extra million for one year is a huge advantage in our system.

- This leads me to my next point which is every team is affected differently by this. Most teams have a marginal amount of carryover in the range of 5-8M. Some teams have massive amounts 20M+ and some have none or next to none. This is not fair to all parties considering the discreet advantage it gives in a free agent bidding process.

- To me it seems fair that in a single season mock the only thing that should contribute to the salary cap is those contracts, bonuses, and dead monies that are on the books. This is equal for every team and puts everyone on equal footing based solely on these simple contributions.

- We have already allocated each team with an extra 5.5 stars to help with signing draftees. Adding in even more cap relief is not necessary IMO.

Finally, this should have been clarified earlier, but it became apparent that some ppl were operating under the assumption that we were using Carryover while others thought we were not. Let's take a moment to ponder this vote, make any argument you wish and let's come to a conlusion because pretty much everyone is affected by this to some extent.

[T3hRaven]

Wow you guys are fast and furious this year.

Can't believe some of you want rollover. Some teams will have like $80 million in total room if you do that, that's going to ruin free agency bidding. Like fergy said, you can't go on a spending spree IRL and you know people are going to do that here. FA was a big enough joke last year with some of the numbers getting thrown around.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='Mt. Crushmore' timestamp='1360471296' post='1352631']
Last year was the higher numbers. We lowered it this year for the reason you said.
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Oh ok, I thought it was lower for some reason, but I agree that 2,1, etc makes more sense.

[T3hRaven]

[quote name='Dubs' timestamp='1360471912' post='1352641']
Got a Rules thread going...if you see any issues please bring up or things that need clarifying or you dont agree with.


**Is everyone ok with Feb 22 as the day we need to assign all RFA, ERFA and Franchise tenders****
[/quote]

That's fine, when can we start assigning them?

[Dubs]

Assign as soon as you would like...do all your RFA, ERFA and Franchise Tenders in the Cuts thread


Mod/Mt. Crush - wanna change the thread title on the Cuts thread to Cuts & Tender

[stm85]

What is the rule on franchising a player who is changing positions? I traded for Eugene Monroe, which pushes Branden Albert to guard (his natural position). Can I franchise him as a G or do I need to franchise him at T?

[gabefergy]

[quote name='Dubs' timestamp='1360472783' post='1352666']
Assign as soon as you would like...do all your RFA, ERFA and Franchise Tenders in the Cuts thread


Mod/Mt. Crush - wanna change the thread title on the Cuts thread to Cuts & Tender
[/quote]

I think maybe we should have a separate thread for tenders, or maybe just do it in the "state of the franchise thread"

[gabefergy]

[quote name='stm85' timestamp='1360472919' post='1352671']
What is the rule on franchising a player who is changing positions? I traded for Eugene Monroe, which pushes Branden Albert to guard (his natural position). Can I franchise him as a G or do I need to franchise him at T?
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OL is the same so it doesnt matter.

[stm85]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1360472944' post='1352673']
OL is the same so it doesnt matter.
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Interesting. 9.5 might be a little too expensive for a guard. I might use the tag on Bowe and let Albert test the market. Then again having that dominant left side that was at UVa a few years ago would be nice too. Decisions decisions...

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1360472923' post='1352672']


I think maybe we should have a separate thread for tenders, or maybe just do it in the "state of the franchise thread"
[/quote]should be done m the state of franchise thread which I will do tomorrow when I waken.

[Dubs]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1360472923' post='1352672']
I think maybe we should have a separate thread for tenders, or maybe just do it in the "state of the franchise thread"
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Crush wanted it in one thread just so that it is easier for us to compile who is on and who is off the FA market...if he wants a new thread I am all for - whatever works easiest for him to deal with and assemble later works for me

[Dubs]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1360473157' post='1352680']
should be done m the state of franchise thread which I will do tomorrow when I waken.
[/quote]

sounds good

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='Dubs' timestamp='1360473213' post='1352682']


Crush wanted it in one thread just so that it is easier for us to compile who is on and who is off the FA market...if he wants a new thread I am all for - whatever works easiest for him to deal with and assemble later works for me
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[quote name='Dubs' timestamp='1360473261' post='1352685']


sounds good
[/quote]awh well if it helps him put it in there as well, I was just thinking it has to be in the state of franchise anyway so why do it twice, but if he wants it there do it there as well. But he can double check via state of the franchise

[arnie_uk]

Would a cap on the rollover work?

[gabefergy]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1360473483' post='1352690']
Would a cap on the rollover work?
[/quote]

If we cap it at say 10M it levels the playing field a bit and is more fair. While that would be a compromise, I just dont see the necessity of using at all.

[GrimCoconut]

I am for the carryover. First of all, it helps teams who were actually smart with their money in the previous year. Second of all, if we're cutting out draft picks that were traded or forfeited then why not carry over the cap that was either forfeited the previous year? Are we not going to penalize the Redskins or Cowboys for the NFL sanction on them due to the way they handled themselves during the lockout?

[T3hRaven]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1360474525' post='1352701']
If we cap it at say 10M it levels the playing field a bit and is more fair. While that would be a compromise, I just dont see the necessity of using at all.
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I'd be on board with that as a compromise.

[GrimCoconut]

I do want to specify something, however: there should be a limit of what a team can have in cap space that carries over. You can even go and put a limit on the amount of excess cap space. Or, if you'd like, we can just go by the base salary and not the guaranteed salary & bonuses. I think that's actually extremely fair, and would be better than a carryover because then we're not adding to the cap at all.

That's my personal preference. Eliminate the guaranteed money & signing bonuses instead of creating more cap room. I think it would be better than going and giving extra cap space because then, as you said, teams would have an unfair advantage. Also, if you want to free up cap space you simply cut the player.

For instance, my cap hit would be 89.5 Stars if we went by base. If we go by top-51, it's 118.5 stars. It would give the Bengals quite a bit of cap room, and I know you're saying we should avoid that. I understand that. It's just I'm trying to think of something here for teams who have given players a lot of guaranteed money ways of working around it.

[arnie_uk]

How often is spotrac going to update their numbers? If day for example denver cut Peyton, that'd drop my numbers by 20 mil, since we are Kent to be using their figures if they cut someone I don't know the salary of then my number would be reduced and I cold pull a fly one.

We almost need someone to copy every teams page into an excel document so all figures could be checked and verified.

[ravensdan]

[quote name='T3hRaven' timestamp='1360472196' post='1352649']
Wow you guys are fast and furious this year.

Can't believe some of you want rollover. Some teams will have like $80 million in total room if you do that, that's going to ruin free agency bidding. Like fergy said, you can't go on a spending spree IRL and you know people are going to do that here. FA was a big enough joke last year with some of the numbers getting thrown around.
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I agree with these guys 100 percent against roll over. It can't be used in a one year scenario because we don't have to worry about any effects on later yrs. Similarly we can't extend anyone

[ravensdan]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1360505762' post='1352824']
How often is spotrac going to update their numbers? If day for example denver cut Peyton, that'd drop my numbers by 20 mil, since we are Kent to be using their figures if they cut someone I don't know the salary of then my number would be reduced and I cold pull a fly one.

We almost need someone to copy every teams page into an excel document so all figures could be checked and verified.
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I did this for my team already. I want to be able to sort it.

[Dubs]

I suggest every GM go on spotrac and Copy and Paste their teams numbers into an excel document...It goes in perfectly and will you give you your rosters as of now. We will have the issue of teams cutting players and websites updating everywhere so at a certain level we have to trust each other through the process - and if someone notices something bring it up to that person

[Ed_Reed20]

Before I actually do it, are there any rules in place to stop me from salary dumping?

[Dubs]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1360509792' post='1352874']
Before I actually do it, are there any rules in place to stop me from salary dumping?
[/quote]

Not that I can think of...look at the Rules thread. But you can cut whoever you would like

[arnie_uk]

Cut whoever you want imo, weve seen plenty big names cut in the past

[arnie_uk]

darn byrd was franchised tagged. poop!

[Mt. Crushmore]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1360515389' post='1352960']
darn byrd was franchised tagged. poop!
[/quote]

Well you franchised Clady, so we are even.

To the multiple people asking about Byrd in a trade, he is untouchable. He is one of the best FS in the league.

[Mt. Crushmore]

Once you cut a player in the Cut Thread, don't edit the post and add new players. Just make a new post.

[Ed_Reed20]

The "state of the franchise" and "rules" thread need to be pinned.