Anquan Boldin to retire if cut

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1360866786' post='1357723']
He'll be restructured. And this longwinded back and forth is unnecessary. Boldin saying he'll retire before wearing another uniform (while awesome to say!!!) is his way of saying, indirectly, lets work something out! And it will be worked out!
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What do you think he restructures his contract to be? Just curious. I'm wondering myself. Been trying to figure it out but can't put a finger on it.

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='jaege' timestamp='1360871314' post='1357785']



Sorry about the attitude. I just have a peeve about these man-crushes that so many fans seem to have on a rookie or unused player that has done next to nothing. Not saying you suffer from this condition.

Doss, Reed, LQW, they have done nothing in their NFL careers. Or next too. You say that Doss has great hands. All I ever remember is his dropping balls. How is that good hands? Remeber Huashka could kick like Tucker, in pratice. Under real game conditions he choked. So maybe the good hands do not extend out of practice. You saw him play well against his own team. Not a ringing endorsement. If the issue is injuries, that is not his fault, but a guy who is always injured is still no good to the team. It may be that they just need exposure, maybe. Or maybe they are not that good.

Naturally, I am hopeful that they improve and can add something to the team with some actual play time, and they may get that if we are forced to release Q due to cap space. My point is we are better off keeping Q for a season or two more if at all possible, than hoping that someone steps up.

A lot of posters here seemed to think we would be better off releasing Q, and that he is the only reason that none of them has stepped up.
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I'm commenting on your last two paragraphs here (the short ones), but I agree that we'd be better off keeping Anquan. I think even Stevie Wonder can see that. He adds so much leadership to the team, not just WR. He's also great depth. That is if he can be retained for a good deal. If the young WRs show promise, start them. If not, then put Q in the game and let them sit and watch. I agree.

I just think the money needs to be right.

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='jaege' timestamp='1360871314' post='1357785']



Sorry about the attitude. I just have a peeve about these man-crushes that so many fans seem to have on a rookie or unused player that has done next to nothing. Not saying you suffer from this condition.

Doss, Reed, LQW, they have done nothing in their NFL careers. Or next too. You say that Doss has great hands. All I ever remember is his dropping balls. How is that good hands? Remeber Huashka could kick like Tucker, in pratice. Under real game conditions he choked. So maybe the good hands do not extend out of practice. You saw him play well against his own team. Not a ringing endorsement. If the issue is injuries, that is not his fault, but a guy who is always injured is still no good to the team. It may be that they just need exposure, maybe. Or maybe they are not that good.

Naturally, I am hopeful that they improve and can add something to the team with some actual play time, and they may get that if we are forced to release Q due to cap space. My point is we are better off keeping Q for a season or two more if at all possible, than hoping that someone steps up.

A lot of posters here seemed to think we would be better off releasing Q, and that he is the only reason that none of them has stepped up.
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Naw it's cool man, I must like you, have a peeve of guys bashing other players just to make a point. The same things happened back when Mason was cut. Oh Torrey Smith sucks, he's nothing more then DHB, he's hands are too small, etc. Then he got into preseason and was labeled a bust, what happened?

I agree with you 100%, keeping Boldin would be best and it will probably happen. As far as Doss, just because all "you" remeber are his drops doesn't mean that the fans who remeber his catches are making him out to be something else. I remember in the TNF vs the Brown, Doss had a fingertips catch on a wheel route in the rain. That was a 40 yard catch that jumpstarted the offense.

I remember a catch against Oak where he had to climb the ladder in front of the Safety to make a 26 yard catch to give the Ravens a 1st and goal. I think it was a blowout at that point, but he made the play. I remember a big 3rd catch against Philly for 6 yards that kept a scoring drive going.

Now these couple of plays don't say Doss is a stud, but the couple of drops he's had doesn't mean his hands aren't as advertised. If Boldin is let go, it'll have to be more then just Doss to replace him imo, but I think the guy has promise nothing more.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1360871400' post='1357786']

What do you think he restructures his contract to be? Just curious. I'm wondering myself. Been trying to figure it out but can't put a finger on it.
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Not really sure. 2 years for $8M - $10M. Not sure what the salary's and cap hits would be, but regardless, I think they get something done. He didnt just help during the run, he dominated during the run. You'd have to make every attempt (that makes sense financially) to keep the man in purple!

[jaege]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1360876252' post='1357869']
Naw it's cool man, I must like you, have a peeve of guys bashing other players just to make a point. The same things happened back when Mason was cut. Oh Torrey Smith sucks, he's nothing more then DHB, he's hands are too small, etc. Then he got into preseason and was labeled a bust, what happened?

I agree with you 100%, keeping Boldin would be best and it will probably happen. As far as Doss,[b] just because all "you" remeber are his drops doesn't mean that the fans who remeber his catches are making him out to be something else[/b]. I remember in the TNF vs the Brown, Doss had a fingertips catch on a wheel route in the rain. That was a 40 yard catch that jumpstarted the offense.

I remember a catch against Oak where he had to climb the ladder in front of the Safety to make a 26 yard catch to give the Ravens a 1st and goal. I think it was a blowout at that point, but he made the play. I remember a big 3rd catch against Philly for 6 yards that kept a scoring drive going.

Now these couple of plays don't say Doss is a stud, but the couple of drops he's had doesn't mean his hands aren't as advertised. If Boldin is let go, it'll have to be more then just Doss to replace him imo, but I think the guy has promise nothing more.
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Lol. True enough. My memory is suspect anyway. All of them can't pan out though, but if one does and winds up anything like Torrey, then we will be good. I am not saying it will be the end of the world if we lose Boldin, and have to rely on the young guys. I just prefer to go with what works. Although you are right. We will need to let go of the Boldin security blanket eventually. Can't it be after we win our third SB in a row?

[Hjulmann]

Boldin is a hell of a receiver and it'd break my heart to see him leave - but at the same time we have two new deadly receivers in Jones and Smith. As long as we can get a 3rd, it wouldn't be too bad. Nevertheless, I love Boldin.

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='jaege' timestamp='1360884357' post='1357955']



Lol. True enough. My memory is suspect anyway. All of them can't pan out though, but if one does and winds up anything like Torrey, then we will be good. I am not saying it will be the end of the world if we lose Boldin, and have to rely on the young guys. I just prefer to go with what works. Although you are right. We will need to let go of the Boldin security blanket eventually. Can't it be after we win our third SB in a row?
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I think Q is here next year, the question for me is if he's extended or not.

For Doss, I think either way the Ravens will allow him to sink or swim next season. Gotta see what you have in him and if you can do it while still getting great production from Q all the better. The crazy thing is, I can easily see Q getting 1,000yds 10TDs next season. But the business side of the NFL is ugly and it's hard to build a Dynasty with FA. That's why it's so important for the Ravens to lock up Flacco because in today's NFL, you are not consistently winning without a QB.

You just hope you draft well around him. A guy like Boldin, who can still produce at a high level, is gonna be pushed out because the ugly business says it's smarter to have young guys like Doss, Streeter and Reed, who cost less be given a shot.

Because of this, as you said, at least one of those guys better step up

[baltravensrj55]

WE WANT BOLDINN!!!

[jaege]

[quote name='Hjulmann' timestamp='1360894314' post='1358070']
Boldin is a hell of a receiver and it'd break my heart to see him leave - but at the same time we have two new deadly receivers in Jones and Smith. As long as we can get a 3rd, it wouldn't be too bad. Nevertheless, I love Boldin.
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Are you so sure we are keeping Jones? I heard noises that the cap would benefit from cutting him too. It would be a shame to lose him. The guy is a great WR and deadly kick/punt returner.

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='jaege' timestamp='1360939225' post='1358504']



Are you so sure we are keeping Jones? I heard noises that the cap would benefit from cutting him too. It would be a shame to lose him. The guy is a great WR and deadly kick/punt returner.
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Agreed. If he's cut, it's because it was him or Boldin. He is a good #3 but no #2. We could see Thomspon, Reed or some other guy like A_Jax to replace him with his returns.

[jaege]

[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1360947012' post='1358579']
Agreed. If he's cut, it's because it was him or Boldin. He is a good #3 but no #2. We could see Thomspon, Reed or some other guy like A_Jax to replace him with his returns.
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Reed? That sends a chill up my spine.

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='jaege' timestamp='1360947221' post='1358582']


Reed? That sends a chill up my spine.
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Lol. The FO may give him a chance. I can see him not tendered then re-signed for vet minimum. Reed's a very good gunner.

[jaege]

[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1360947489' post='1358587']
Lol. The FO may give him a chance. I can see him not tendered then re-signed for vet minimum. Reed's a very good gunner.
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I know. I just hope he hasn't lost his confidence after those two critical fumbles.

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='jaege' timestamp='1360949384' post='1358611']



I know. I just hope he hasn't lost his confidence after those two critical fumbles.
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I don't think he has, but it's impossible to know until he gets a chance. I think he will have a shot. I expect us to not tender Morgan Cox, David Reed, possibly even Ramon Harewood and then attempt to sign them back at vet minimum. The only one I am uncertain on is Harewood, because we might have big plans for him. Cox, Reed--I think we can get those guys back on vet minimum personally.

And I like Reed. As I said, he is fast as a gunner. Always the first guy or one of them to get to the returner. If his confidence is there, and we feel good about it, I can see us cutting JJ as much as I love him.

This off-season is killing me. I feel the pendulum swinging and I wonder who's getting cut.

[jaege]

[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1360949668' post='1358615']
I don't think he has, but it's impossible to know until he gets a chance. I think he will have a shot. I expect us to not tender Morgan Cox, David Reed, possibly even Ramon Harewood and then attempt to sign them back at vet minimum. The only one I am uncertain on is Harewood, because we might have big plans for him. Cox, Reed--I think we can get those guys back on vet minimum personally.

And I like Reed. As I said, he is fast as a gunner. Always the first guy or one of them to get to the returner. If his confidence is there, and we feel good about it, I can see us cutting JJ as much as I love him.

This off-season is killing me. I feel the pendulum swinging and I wonder who's getting cut.
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I am with you on that. I am on pins and needles, just waiting for the ax to swing.

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1360949668' post='1358615']

I don't think he has, but it's impossible to know until he gets a chance. I think he will have a shot. I expect us to not tender Morgan Cox, David Reed, possibly even Ramon Harewood and then attempt to sign them back at vet minimum. The only one I am uncertain on is Harewood, because we might have big plans for him. Cox, Reed--I think we can get those guys back on vet minimum personally.

And I like Reed. As I said, he is fast as a gunner. Always the first guy or one of them to get to the returner. If his confidence is there, and we feel good about it, I can see us cutting JJ as much as I love him.

This off-season is killing me. I feel the pendulum swinging and I wonder who's getting cut.
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I think they'll extend Jones who's only 28 and much like Pollard probably has found his home. His cap number his large(for him) this year. You extend him for 3yrs and that's a total 4 year contract that lower his cap. Can't see them cutting him. If anything he'll have a larger offensive role now and that's where the return ability of Reed comes in.

Jones said he was gassed and happy the lights went out in the Super Bowl. Coming off that huge Kick Return, the D would have went 3 and out, Jones would have return the punt and then had to play offense. I think lessening his role might actually make him even better. Sometimes when you are the jack of all trades and master of none, it hurts more then helps.

Much like we see Doss and Reed on spot duties returning, I think that might be Jones' role on ST next year, because he and Smith's combined speed is proven too much for even the top defenses. I know people will hate it but D. Reed might have a large role on this team next year.

[rmw10]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1360950620' post='1358632']
I think they'll extend Jones who's only 28 and much like Pollard probably has found his home. His cap number his large(for him) this year. You extend him for 3yrs and that's a total 4 year contract that lower his cap. Can't see them cutting him. If anything he'll have a larger offensive role now and that's where the return ability of Reed comes in.

Jones said he was gassed and happy the lights went out in the Super Bowl. Coming off that huge Kick Return, the D would have went 3 and out, Jones would have return the punt and then had to play offense. I think lessening his role might actually make him even better. Sometimes when you are the jack of all trades and master of none, it hurts more then helps.

Much like we see Doss and Reed on spot duties returning, I think that might be Jones' role on ST next year, because he and Smith's combined speed is proven too much for even the top defenses. I know people will hate it but D. Reed might have a large role on this team next year.
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I think we almost have to extend Jacoby. Of course the returns for TDs were very nice, but he has more value than just scoring. He regularly puts the team in great field position even when he doesn't score. He's able to bring the ball out for 8 or 9 deep in the end zone and get past the 20. Most guys would knee it and take it at the 20, but Jacoby brings it out pretty much all the time and very rarely does he get stopped short of the 20.

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='jaege' timestamp='1360949865' post='1358618']



I am with you on that. I am on pins and needles, just waiting for the ax to swing.
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Honestly, I don't think it'll be that painful. For all the Free Agents the Ravens have, I think Cary and Kruger are the only big names lost and I feel the media are valuing those guys much higher then the Ravens.

Of course getting Joe done quickly is the Key. But if that gets done, I think Ellerbe quickly follows, Reed will take time but return. We'll probably hear more disrespect talk from his this offseason if he doesn't get a agent. McKinnie will be giving a minimum offer to either take it or the Ravens will quick turn to another vet.

Birk, Ray, and Williams contracts will come of the books. Leach and Boldin's contracts will be restructured but not extended imo. Oher and Jones will be extended but will have their 2013 cap lowered. Pitta sign his 1yr tender, but quickly extended to a cap friendly long term deal.

Then a couple of lower level FAs will be signed. B.A will probably be cut as he's no long the ST ace and couple be upgraded as a Nickle LB. Sounds like a lot for a team against the cap, but I don't think the Ravens lose anyone they can't afford to lose. Maybe guys like James Ihedigbo will walk in favor for younger guy like Emanuel Cook, but nothing major.

[baltravens]

IMO, Boldin will take less to remain a Raven. He will make that sacrifice to stay with Flacco. And, winning the Super Bowl doesn't hurt either.

[The Raven]

[quote name='jaege' timestamp='1360841575' post='1357495']
Q being released is not some sort of indication that the FO beleives any of "your boys" are ready or able to replace him. Do not be naive. If Q goes it is because we cannot afford to keep him. Its about money and cap space. Nothing more.


Serious question. What is it that so many see in these guys that I am not seeing? Do you go to the training camps or get film from them? Is there a news letter that describes players performance in training? Seriously, what is it? And don't talk to me about their college days. That is meaningless. I can use Troy Smith as an excellent example of that. What is it about these guys that merit so much fan love?
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We see youth and potential. That's all we see, and that's all we can expect to see. Boldin is almost guaranteed to be gone this year or the next. We need to look for a new possession guy. We've seen glimpses of Doss' potential, and he's obviously a likely candidate.

[jaege]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1360959920' post='1358734']
We see youth and potential. That's all we see, and that's all we can expect to see. Boldin is almost guaranteed to be gone this year or the next. We need to look for a new possession guy. We've seen glimpses of Doss' potential, and he's obviously a likely candidate.
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Fair enough. Although I hope Boldin plays one more year.

[jaege]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1360951827' post='1358656']
Honestly, I don't think it'll be that painful. For all the Free Agents the Ravens have, I think Cary and Kruger are the only big names lost and I feel the media are valuing those guys much higher then the Ravens.

Of course getting Joe done quickly is the Key. But if that gets done, I think Ellerbe quickly follows, Reed will take time but return. We'll probably hear more disrespect talk from his this offseason if he doesn't get a agent. McKinnie will be giving a minimum offer to either take it or the Ravens will quick turn to another vet.

Birk, Ray, and Williams contracts will come of the books. Leach and Boldin's contracts will be restructured but not extended imo. Oher and Jones will be extended but will have their 2013 cap lowered. Pitta sign his 1yr tender, but quickly extended to a cap friendly long term deal.

Then a couple of lower level FAs will be signed. B.A will probably be cut as he's no long the ST ace and couple be upgraded as a Nickle LB. Sounds like a lot for a team against the cap, but I don't think the Ravens lose anyone they can't afford to lose. Maybe guys like James Ihedigbo will walk in favor for younger guy like Emanuel Cook, but nothing major.
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I like the way you think. Good assessment.

[The Raven]

[quote name='jaege' timestamp='1360968620' post='1358834']
Fair enough. Although I hope Boldin plays one more year.
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I do, too. I think everyone does! I'd like to see him play here for three more years and have him retire a Raven. He's just gonna need a pay cut, which I think he might be willing to take at this point in his career.

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1360969230' post='1358844']


I do, too. I think everyone does! I'd like to see him play here for three more years and have him retire a Raven. He's just gonna need a pay cut, which I think he might be willing to take at this point in his career.
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Q's not playing 3 more years imo. As well as he still plays, Q has lost a couple of steps and doesn't get in and out of his breaks as well anymore. That says a lot about the player Q is because he still gets it done at a high level.

I have no doubt he could continue to produce at a high level for 3 more years, much like I think Ray could perform still but guys know when it's over even when they still have some left. I also look at the fact that despite not missing many games and none in the postseason, Boldin has been hurt the last 2 seasons. I strongly believe that winning the Super Bowl is what drove Q these last couple years.

While I have no doubt that Q willing continue to fight as long as he's on that field, I just don't see him playing more then one season.

[Hjulmann]

[quote name='jaege' timestamp='1360939225' post='1358504']
Are you so sure we are keeping Jones? I heard noises that the cap would benefit from cutting him too. It would be a shame to lose him. The guy is a great WR and deadly kick/punt returner.
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Idk, I think it's going to be one or the other

[TheCross]

Boldin is a perfect receiver for Joe Flacco.
Flacco has nerves of steel & such calmness as he sets up back in the pocket to throw a pass.

How he does not get sacked more often is because he will throw into coverage.
Other QBs when they feel pressure will just secure the ball & maybe scramble for a few yds.
Flacco when feeling pressure from the defensive linemen will just quickly find a target & make the pass even if his reciever is in coverage.
He just trusts his receiver to react & get the ball.
That's exactly what Boldin does.
He's got good height & long arms & great hands.
Mentally Boldin is strong as he wants to make that grab.
Football is a team sport made up of individuals.
Good receivers are a must for the likes of a QB like Flacco who likes throwing 15,25, & more yards down field even if there is good coverage.
If I were the Ravens head office guys , my priority would be to have Boldin back for min. 2 years.
He looks far from a done player & he's not only got skills & talent , ya can sense his hunger & desire on the field.

[ThePurpleWall]

[quote name='baltravens' timestamp='1360954827' post='1358679']
IMO, Boldin will take less to remain a Raven. He will make that sacrifice to stay with Flacco. And, winning the Super Bowl doesn't hurt either.
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it should be Flacco sacrificing a little so we can keep our guys.

[GrimCoconut]

I'd like to keep Boldin because he's our 3rd string back-up QB, lol. Something people forget. Maybe he restructures his 7.5M or whatever for a 2yr/8M deal where he takes 3M in 2013 & 5M in 2014. Gives us some wiggle room at the very least for this year and keeps him an extra year for not too much money.