Anquan Boldin to retire if cut

[ArmyRavensFan]

Flacco is not the same QB without Boldin and there is no one on the market with his skill set that is going to be any cheaper. It is not worth cutting Boldin to pay Flacco. Flacco and his offensive weapons have to be a package deal. Its not like Flacoo made Boldin. Boldin has been a star his entire career. In fact Boldin was far more productive in Arizona and suffered a decline for awhile under the Raven's scheme. That said, I have never seen Boldin not give his all. He might not always put up numbers but he was always giving his all. His comments about retiring as a Raven makes me like him even more. I would rather have a player that wants to be a Raven than a player that only wants money.

I have been standing up for Flacco since he started taking criticism a few years back. I always said that I would take Flacco at his price than pay Drew Brees or Manning 20 million. Now that Flacco's agent wants 20 million and wont take a hometown discount, I am losing some faith in him as a person. If 15 to 17 million and keeping your team together is not good enough, then maybe he is not worth it.

[rmw10]

[quote name='ArmyRavensFan' timestamp='1360378346' post='1351178']
Is that really that much for your number one receiver?
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Q isn't a number 1, unfortunately. He's played the role of a number 1, but has always had the production of a number 2. That's not to knock him in anyway. And with our FAs, $7.5 million is a lot of money when we have more pressing needs.

[SizzleXLVII]

Boldin's awesome. I'd love to see him at Baltimore for another year or two, so hope his deal is restructured to create the necessary cap space as we'll have a tough time replacing him.

[ravensfan160]

I think all the young WRs on our team will play a big role in any decision. If we bring back Boldin and Jones we will have to start cutting some of these young WRs. There simply isn't enough space on the 53 man roster. Just off the top of my head our WRs heading into next year would be...

Smith
Boldin
Jones
Doss
Williams
Reed
Thompson
Streeter

All that said...after what Boldin and Jones did this year it would be horrible if we had to cut them. We know Boldin doesn't want to play anywhere else and Jones made a similar comment in an interview I saw today as well. That's why we pay Ozzie the big bucks.

[ArmyRavensFan]

He is our number one and to get a "legit" number one the Ravens would have to pay much more. There is no one cheaper that is better.

[quote name='rmw10' timestamp='1360378887' post='1351196']
Q isn't a number 1, unfortunately. He's played the role of a number 1, but has always had the production of a number 2. That's not to knock him in anyway. And with our FAs, $7.5 million is a lot of money when we have more pressing needs.
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[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='ravensfan160' timestamp='1360380524' post='1351215']
I think all the young WRs on our team will play a big role in any decision. If we bring back Boldin and Jones we will have to start cutting some of these young WRs. There simply isn't enough space on the 53 man roster. Just off the top of my head our WRs heading into next year would be...

Smith
Boldin
Jones
Doss
Williams
Reed
Thompson
Streeter

All that said...after what Boldin and Jones did this year it would be horrible if we had to cut them. We know Boldin doesn't want to play anywhere else and Jones made a similar comment in an interview I saw today as well. That's why we pay Ozzie the big bucks.
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That's my stance as well. Not sure how we can keep all these WRs & re-sign Pitta & see what these young guys have in whom we have invested picks. We can redshirt some like Streeter or even Thompson. Reed could be cut, but we lose good ST depth there.

[ArmyRavensFan]

Boldin and Jones have accomplished things. Both had arguable Superbowl MVP performances (even though I agree with giving the award to Flacco). Doss, Williams, Reed, Streeter, and Thompson have not accomplished anything. Besides, Streeter, Thompson, and Williams hardly cost anything to keep.

[quote name='ravensfan160' timestamp='1360380524' post='1351215']
I think all the young WRs on our team will play a big role in any decision. If we bring back Boldin and Jones we will have to start cutting some of these young WRs. There simply isn't enough space on the 53 man roster. Just off the top of my head our WRs heading into next year would be...

Smith
Boldin
Jones
Doss
Williams
Reed
Thompson
Streeter

All that said...after what Boldin and Jones did this year it would be horrible if we had to cut them. We know Boldin doesn't want to play anywhere else and Jones made a similar comment in an interview I saw today as well. That's why we pay Ozzie the big bucks.
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[ArmyRavensFan]

What is a starting QB without quality receivers?

[quote name='redlobster' timestamp='1360378649' post='1351189']
when you have to sign your franchise qb, you have no starting quality ILB's (McClain is still unknown) signed. No TE"s tendered yet, safety up in the air, yes he is going to be a cap casualty or a restructure there is no way logically around it.
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[codizzle]

[quote name='jimmypowder' timestamp='1360373739' post='1351106']
He is better then Mason and not a complainer
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Easy there

[I AM LEGEND]

I'd almost rather go in with no defense then start taking away key pieces to Flaccos offense...

Giving Flacco 17-20 million signifies we are moving into an offensive minded team...so the first thing we do is take away his big time clutch receiver....makes no sense

I really think the biggest mistake the F.O. can make is thinking Flacco has a grip on this elite qb thing and can make any WR a good option...lets be honest we all know Joe is still gonna have his games..he's no Peyton Manning when it comes to making WRs house hold names.

[I AM LEGEND]

My biggest question is...

If I'm Joe Flacco...wouldn't I be meeting with Ozzie about how I can keep my clutch big time WR who has helped bail me out some tuff times...

[ArmyRavensFan]

I fully agree. By investing that much in a QB, you are saying that the offense is going to carry the team. The losses have to come from the defense becuase you must surround Joe with talent...specifically WRs and O-Line. We have seen what happens when Flacco has no one to throw to wether that be becuase of scheme or talent.

[quote name='I AM LEGEND' timestamp='1360381782' post='1351230']
I'd almost rather go in with no defense then start taking away key pieces to Flaccos offense...

Giving Flacco 17-20 million signifies we are moving into an offensive minded team...so the first thing we do is take away his big time clutch receiver....makes no sense

I really think the biggest mistake the F.O. can make is thinking Flacco has a grip on this elite qb thing and can make any WR a good option...lets be honest we all know Joe is still gonna have his games..he's no Peyton Manning when it comes to making WRs house hold names.
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[B-more Ravor]

[quote name='rmw10' timestamp='1360378887' post='1351196']
Q isn't a number 1, unfortunately. He's played the role of a number 1, but has always had the production of a number 2. That's not to knock him in anyway. And with our FAs, $7.5 million is a lot of money when we have more pressing needs.
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[quote name='ArmyRavensFan' timestamp='1360380567' post='1351218']
He is our number one and to get a "legit" number one the Ravens would have to pay much more. There is no one cheaper that is better.
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I don't think anyone is saying that they want Boldin to be released.

The problem is that with the Cap crunch the team is in - and especially if they have to use the exclusive Franchise Tag on Flacco - they are going to need to find Cap space somewhere and Boldin, with a base salary of $6M, is one of the few spaces they can create a long of Cap space pretty quickly.

Now, again, no one wants to see that, but it may end up being something they HAVE to do.

Let's just hope that they get a long term deal done with Flacco and/or an extension done with Boldin, so that this is no longer an issue.

[omar586]

i just hope Ozzie works his magic again and keep Q for atleast 3 years, as physical as he's, barring injury, he has at least 3 years in tank.

[Tiz]

Slow it down.
No one other than the media is speculating that boldin is going anywhere
Lets stop acting like its set in stone and flacco needs to come save boldin

[ArmyRavensFan]

(Caveat: I do not want to cutt Suggs, Ngata, or Webb) With that said, who was more important to the team winning the superbowl this year, Suggs, Ngata, Webb, or Boldin? Suggs and Webb missed most of the year and Ngata played injured. All three of them are paid considerably more than Boldin. So wouldnt it make more sense to cutt or trade them to free up cap space?

[ArmyRavensFan]

Actually people on this board have been asking this same question for several months.

[quote name='Tiz' timestamp='1360383130' post='1351267']
Slow it down.
No one other than the media is speculating that boldin is going anywhere
Lets stop acting like its set in stone and flacco needs to come save boldin
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[ArmyRavensFan]

Boldin must be extended. He should only be considered as a cap casualty when it is time to pay Torrey Smith or the Ravens bring in a "true" number one receiver. Although I think he is a true number one receiver now that he is being used correctly. Especially at less than eight million a year. And apparently other teams fans agree with this assessment. I was amazed at how many other teams fans were talking about how they want Boldin on their team.

[quote name='omar586' timestamp='1360382912' post='1351260']
i just hope Ozzie works his magic again and keep Q for atleast 3 years, as physical as he's, barring injury, he has at least 3 years in tank.
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[flaccopoe]

Way to stay loyal with your Super Team, Bowl-din!

[Militant X 1]

i hope Q stays!

~Mili

[ThePurpleWall]

well depends what Joe signs,i hope Joe is kind and doesn't demand 20 million a season.Q must stay.

[Blex64]

[quote name='ArmyRavensFan' timestamp='1360385562' post='1351308']
(Caveat: I do not want to cutt Suggs, Ngata, or Webb) With that said, who was more important to the team winning the superbowl this year, Suggs, Ngata, Webb, or Boldin? Suggs and Webb missed most of the year and Ngata played injured. All three of them are paid considerably more than Boldin. [b]So wouldnt it make more sense to cutt or trade them to free up cap space?[/b]
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What? No.

Its about your expected returns on the dollar. While Doss (or whoever else) wouldn't produce like Boldin, the dropoff would certainly be much MUCH less noticeable than starting Art Jones or Albert McClellan fulltime.

Boldin is an aging veteran receiver. He's definitely got a couple years left, but the other guys are franchise pieces. Why the heck would we cut a 27 year old corner to keep a 32 year old receiver?

[baltravensrj55]

I love Boldin. We really do need him, he was our clutch go to receiver in prime time playoff time. No way we win the ship without him. Boldins don't just grow on trees there fellas

[Pats]

he's just saying this for a bargaining chip to stay with the ravens while getting paid well, if for whatever reason he isn't resigned he would go to another top team like the 49ers or maybe pittsburgh or seattle

[Ravens2013ornothing]

Boldin will not retire, if the Ravens cut him I gurantee it! IMPOSSIBLE. He is only 32, he can play at least another 2-3 years at a high level. He is in my opionion the most PHYSICAL WR in football. Why wouldnt you make another 7 mil plus in the next 2 seasons if not more. If he rather get cut, and this is true, Ravens better capatilze pay what you owe, and sign himto a 2 year deal for a reasonable deal with the intent of Q knowing we gonna get one more before he leaves.


resign Boldin.....if he wants to retire, we can talk him in to a good 2 year deal knowing we gonna get one more.

resign Ellerbe and Pitta....the market does not really recognize them like we do...so we must take advantage of this now because in the future there price will go up.

Kruger will be tough as well as carry williams...im interested to see how this plays out, but I expect they will be able to get the most out of all players.

Reed, I hope he stays but it will ultimately be up to him, it will come down to what he wants right now and what he wants when he retires.

Mckinne...this is a no brainer with birk cashing out.

[ArmyRavensFan]

All I am saying is that we got to and won the superbowl with those players either not playing to having limited impact. Without Boldin, we are not Superbowl Champions.

[quote name='Blex64' timestamp='1360388659' post='1351393']
What? No.

Its about your expected returns on the dollar. While Doss (or whoever else) wouldn't produce like Boldin, the dropoff would certainly be much MUCH less noticeable than starting Art Jones or Albert McClellan fulltime.

Boldin is an aging veteran receiver. He's definitely got a couple years left, but the other guys are franchise pieces. Why the heck would we cut a 27 year old corner to keep a 32 year old receiver?
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[ArmyRavensFan]

I would also like to point out that Anquan Boldin was the second most valuable player to the Ravens this post season behind Joe Flacco. In four post season games he had 22 catches for 380 yards and 4 TDs. That’s an average of 5.5 receptions, 95 yards, and 1 TD per post season game. Those are legit number one receiver stats.

He had the most catches by 8, second most total yards offensively behind Rice (392 combined rushing & receiving), and the most TDs.

[gotekiraven]

When I read what Q said yesterday, I kid you not, I actual had a tear in my eye. He's an unselfish guy who love the Ravens and Baltimore. Q is s superbowl champion, and he can go to a team that will pay him top dollar for that alone, but he is wiling to give that all up just to remain a Raven or not play at all. That speaks VOLUMES!! Joe is worthy of his money, but Joe also needs to realize that Q played a critical role in him being in the position he is now going into his contract negotiations. Besides an "elite" quarterback is only as elite as his weapons he has to throw to, and Q is his go to money receiver that makes him look good. The chemistry is already there between Joe and Quan. Without Q, I truly do not like our chances at making a run for a repeat.

[HoldingCall]

[quote name='Ravens<3' timestamp='1360354136' post='1350533']
I don't want to see him retire though, he's finally getting played right now!!
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I agree! Both Joe and Q look much better under Caldwell. Q's salary is currently ranked #20 among Wide Receivers in the NFL which shows he is not overpaid. I know its business but It will be a shame if when Joe gets his raise Q gets cut.

[Tank 92]

[quote name='rmw10' timestamp='1360378887' post='1351196']
Q isn't a number 1, unfortunately. He's played the role of a number 1, [u][b]but has always had the production of a number 2.[/b][/u] That's not to knock him in anyway. And with our FAs, $7.5 million is a lot of money when we have more pressing needs.
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Production? Maybe he is a #2 in fantasy points, but there is no one better in the "must catch" situations. I would call him the "go to" receiver rather than a #1.

I think that Q saying what he did is a signal that he will be willing to take a pay cut for the good of the Team.