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As everyone know that this offseason, the Ravens won't be a big player in free agency because basically Flacco is the offseason for us. Flacco is going to be a Raven via Tag or long-term contract. With that set, I believe Ozzie knows that trading players might be better than releasing them.

[b]Trading Chips:[/b]

[b]Anquan Boldin[/b] - There will be WR needy teams and Boldin showcased his skills throughout the playoffs. Instead of cutting him, maybe we can get a mid-round pick (3rd or 4th). The case for this is Chad Ochocinco, where the Patriots gave a 5th and 6th for a 34 year old Chad.

[b]Jacoby Jones[/b] - His salary is still affordable ($4.5 M), so a team might trade for him since he's an All-Pro returner/3rd WR deep threat. Mid-round value (3rd, 4th, 5th)

[b]Vonta Leach [/b]- All-Pro Fullback who can pave the way for other RBs. He's a tough one to keep because FBs are really not used enough to justified the $3 Million. Leach helps Rice and Pierce to reach good yardage, but with Flacco eating so much cap space, it might come down to if Leach is playing enough to justify his price tag. Low round Pick (5th, 6th, 7th)

[b]Terrence Cody [/b]-[b] [/b]Cody is entering his contract year and is also coming down from a bad year. Maybe we can trade him to a NT needy team because there's a lot of teams changing to the 3-4 defense and the draft has only so much Nose Tackles. Maybe a mid-low round (4th, 5th) to salvage his value because I think we can get a replacement for Cody in the upcoming draft. I think this could happen if the offseason reports show Cody is motivated and we pick up Brandon Williams, thus leaving one less nose tackle to draft. New Orleans, Cleveland, Philadelphia could be interested.
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These are all legit possibilities. I hope people look at this sensibly and not flame you for thinking outside the box. I'm glad you're not saying to trade Cody because he sucks. I am not sure we can get anything for Cody, honestly. Maybe a late-pick like a 7th. Cody's unproven & while you are right & many teams are switching to a 3-4, I think Cody's good to have because he's cheap and is at least good depth. He could also turn on the light & play out of his mind like Ellerbe did last year. I don't like the idea of trading Cody for the reason of him being cheap as well as him having not much trade value.

Onto your other options. FB is a dying position. It might be hard to trade Leach, and I think I like the idea of keeping Leach for the rest of his contract. Maybe we can get him to take a small paycut. FB is a dying position, so he might realize he has not much leverage despite his high-quality play. Felton's contract could help us decrease his salary since I think Felton is now a better FB than Leach, but marginally.

As for Boldin & JJ...well, here we go. I love both these players. It's hard to really say. I hate the idea of losing either guy, but we have a lot of young talent and I can really see the Ravens doing something here. I posted in another thread that I don't know how we can extend both these guys since we have a ton of free agents coming & we will need to give them deals. We need to get the young guys reps. It's hard to do that now. I just don't know how we can extend Boldin for 3 years or 2 years, keep JJ for however many years, keep Smith in 2015, keep Pitta in 2014, etc. & still field a competitive defense. It might be prudent to trade, and if I had to decide it would be Boldin over Jones because Jones is younger & can do KR/PR at an elite level and seems to be improving as a WR. We also have guys who can be physical in Doss or Streeter (going to get negs here, I'm sure).

I would actually rather keep both Boldin & JJ, though. I'd extend JJ & not extend Boldin. I'd rather we try to get Boldin to take a paycut, or maybe extend his deal by one year for FA in 2015 than cut/trade him. I'd like to keep JJ long-term due to his ST & WR ability. I'd rather trade Michael Oher than those guys. Oher's on his last year as well. With a weak OT class, I think we could get a decent pick for Oher who has versatility, character & good work ethic. He's owed almost $5M, and while we won't get all that back, I would rather pay Boldin 7.5 & trade Oher than vice versa. I would like to put Reid in at RT at that point, or just draft a guy who would be cheaper.
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[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1360350917' post='1350466']
These are all legit possibilities. I hope people look at this sensibly and not flame you for thinking outside the box. I'm glad you're not saying to trade Cody because he sucks. I am not sure we can get anything for Cody, honestly. Maybe a late-pick like a 7th. Cody's unproven & while you are right & many teams are switching to a 3-4, I think Cody's good to have because he's cheap and is at least good depth. He could also turn on the light & play out of his mind like Ellerbe did last year. I don't like the idea of trading Cody for the reason of him being cheap as well as him having not much trade value.

Onto your other options. FB is a dying position. It might be hard to trade Leach, and I think I like the idea of keeping Leach for the rest of his contract. Maybe we can get him to take a small paycut. FB is a dying position, so he might realize he has not much leverage despite his high-quality play. Felton's contract could help us decrease his salary since I think Felton is now a better FB than Leach, but marginally.

As for Boldin & JJ...well, here we go. I love both these players. It's hard to really say. I hate the idea of losing either guy, but we have a lot of young talent and I can really see the Ravens doing something here. I posted in another thread that I don't know how we can extend both these guys since we have a ton of free agents coming & we will need to give them deals. We need to get the young guys reps. It's hard to do that now. I just don't know how we can extend Boldin for 3 years or 2 years, keep JJ for however many years, keep Smith in 2015, keep Pitta in 2014, etc. & still field a competitive defense. It might be prudent to trade, and if I had to decide it would be Boldin over Jones because Jones is younger & can do KR/PR at an elite level and seems to be improving as a WR. We also have guys who can be physical in Doss or Streeter (going to get negs here, I'm sure).

I would actually rather keep both Boldin & JJ, though. I'd extend JJ & not extend Boldin. I'd rather we try to get Boldin to take a paycut, or maybe extend his deal by one year for FA in 2015 than cut/trade him. I'd like to keep JJ long-term due to his ST & WR ability. I'd rather trade Michael Oher than those guys. Oher's on his last year as well. With a weak OT class, I think we could get a decent pick for Oher who has versatility, character & good work ethic. He's owed almost $5M, and while we won't get all that back, I would rather pay Boldin 7.5 & trade Oher than vice versa. I would like to put Reid in at RT at that point, or just draft a guy who would be cheaper.
[/quote]i thought both were under contract til the ned of next year ? JJ and Q? i like the idea of trading oher as well
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The Ravens have never been much for making trades. They will typically get the full use of a player before cutting him. Although with the cap looming overhead I guess it is possible. I would not trade or cut Boldin or Jones and Leach is still a fair bargain for what he provides.
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[quote name='runamuk' timestamp='1360351104' post='1350468']
i thought both were under contract til the ned of next year ? JJ and Q? i like the idea of trading oher as well
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JJ, Q, Pitta, Oher, Arthur Jones (our entire 2010 draft class) are free agents in 2014 (next offseason) as well as Leach.
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Leach? Heck no! He is the best fullback in the league, he clears the way for our rushing attack and is a beast catching from the backfield too, he is a must keep. Q just restructure to keep him for another year or two because he's a beast. Jacoby brings way too much to the table, not to mention he was runner-up MVP of the Super Bowl. Finally, I don't think Cody has much trade value seeing is that he is behind Kemoeatu (spelling too lazy to look up). He's still young though.

tl:dr, No trades.
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[quote name='Corvus Amplus' timestamp='1360350187' post='1350453']
As everyone know that this offseason, the Ravens won't be a big player in free agency because basically Flacco is the offseason for us. Flacco is going to be a Raven via Tag or long-term contract. With that set, I believe Ozzie knows that trading players might be better than releasing them.

[b]Trading Chips:[/b]

[b]Anquan Boldin[/b] - There will be WR needy teams and Boldin showcased his skills throughout the playoffs. Instead of cutting him, maybe we can get a mid-round pick (3rd or 4th). The case for this is Chad Ochocinco, where the Patriots gave a 5th and 6th for a 34 year old Chad.

[b]Jacoby Jones[/b] - His salary is still affordable ($4.5 M), so a team might trade for him since he's an All-Pro returner/3rd WR deep threat. Mid-round value (3rd, 4th, 5th)

[b]Vonta Leach [/b]- All-Pro Fullback who can pave the way for other RBs. He's a tough one to keep because FBs are really not used enough to justified the $3 Million. Leach helps Rice and Pierce to reach good yardage, but with Flacco eating so much cap space, it might come down to if Leach is playing enough to justify his price tag. Low round Pick (5th, 6th, 7th)

[b]Terrence Cody [/b]-[b] [/b]Cody is entering his contract year and is also coming down from a bad year. Maybe we can trade him to a NT needy team because there's a lot of teams changing to the 3-4 defense and the draft has only so much Nose Tackles. Maybe a mid-low round (4th, 5th) to salvage his value because I think we can get a replacement for Cody in the upcoming draft. I think this could happen if the offseason reports show Cody is motivated and we pick up Brandon Williams, thus leaving one less nose tackle to draft. New Orleans, Cleveland, Philadelphia could be interested.
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With our offense becoming more pass oriented , as much as I love Vonta I think he would be the odd man out .
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Keep Q, and JJ, I dont see Leach in high demand. He is keep worthy no doubt. It boils down to budget.
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[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1360350576' post='1350458']
Keep Q, JJ and Leach at all costs (not literally). Cody? Hahahahahahaha!
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Oz clearly stated he saw an immediate need for DT in his press conference. Sounds to me like a shake up on the line this off season. If he drafts a player, cuts kimo , maybe even cody? Do you think he would ever trade hiloti ?
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[quote name='Jitamon' timestamp='1360409455' post='1351524']
Oz clearly stated he saw an immediate need for DT in his press conference. Sounds to me like a shake up on the line this off season. If he drafts a player, cuts kimo , maybe even cody? Do you think he would ever trade hiloti ?
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He's Ngata going anywhere. In case you don't get the pun: Ngata is as likely to get traded as Flacco. Sure, anything can happen; however, we don't have great leverage. Ngata has been injured 2yrs in a row & this draft class is LOADED with talent.
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[quote name='runamuk' timestamp='1360351104' post='1350468']
i thought both were under contract til the ned of next year ? JJ and Q? i like the idea of trading oher as well
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They are under contract for next year but their cap number could become problematic if Flacco deal isn't resolve quickly with a little extra cash left on the table ( hopefully ). Boldin is set to make something near $7.5 Million , J.Jones near $4.5M.
Moving players on the final year of contract makes more sense because the cap hit wont be as significant.
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While I'll admit Cody has been a disappointment to me, because I expected more, I believe he played better than Kemo in most games, but overall they both were below average in the middle.
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[quote name='jdynamite' timestamp='1360434164' post='1351792']
While I'll admit Cody has been a disappointment to me, because I expected more, I believe he played better than Kemo in most games, but overall they both were below average in the middle.
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I see us exploring NT's in the draft in later rounds. Ozzie himself said that middle of the defense will be their top priority. I can agree to that.
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Anquan has made Joe look good all throughout the playoffs, and he still has 2-3 good years left in him. On a different note, this will probably never happen, but could anyone imagine if we brought is Jarvis Jones? I'm drooling just thinking about it...
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I can't stand Cody like the nex guy but he's not getting traded or cut. He has 1 more season to prove himself. I hope he does but I doubt it.
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[quote name='jberta1' timestamp='1360434988' post='1351819']
Anquan has made Joe look good all throughout the playoffs, and he still has 2-3 good years left in him. On a different note, this will probably never happen, but could anyone imagine if we brought is Jarvis Jones? I'm drooling just thinking about it...
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Joe's made himself look good. Anquans made some great plays but Joe made the perfect throws to him. That's what Q is. It's not like Stafford just throwing the ball up anywhere near Calvin and trusting him to go get it.

And yes, that will never happen lol. Would be awesome though
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[quote name='Ravens<3' timestamp='1360437892' post='1351895']
Joe's made himself look good. Anquans made some great plays but Joe made the perfect throws to him. That's what Q is. It's not like Stafford just throwing the ball up anywhere near Calvin and trusting him to go get it.

And yes, that will never happen lol. Would be awesome though
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I wasn't taking anything away from Joe, really just advocating for Anquan. Anquan has been my favorite player since his days at Florida State, I really don't want him to leave Baltimore.
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[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1360351568' post='1350477']
JJ, Q, Pitta, Oher, Arthur Jones (our entire 2010 draft class) are free agents in 2014 (next offseason) as well as Leach.
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Pitta and Arthur are restricted free agents this year actually.
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[quote name='RobFuseRaven' timestamp='1360442064' post='1352018']
Pitta and Arthur are restricted free agents this year actually.
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Yeah, I'm more concerned about next year. That's what I was saying. 2014.
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[quote name='jberta1' timestamp='1360434988' post='1351819']
Anquan has made Joe look good all throughout the playoffs, and he still has 2-3 good years left in him. On a different note, this will probably never happen, but could anyone imagine if we brought is Jarvis Jones? I'm drooling just thinking about it...
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Jones isnt going to fall to 32, but I could see him sliding to the mid teens to late 20s, similar to Quinton Coples last year.
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[quote name='Free Agent' timestamp='1360448590' post='1352167']
Jones isnt going to fall to 32, but I could see him sliding to the mid teens to late 20s, similar to Quinton Coples last year.
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Do you think there is any way a trade could happen? This is obviously wishful thinking, lol.
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