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Cam Cameron is getting a ring

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I guess cool, but its not likes its a ring that wont be tainted for him. No one is every going to really consider it a valid ring, considering we EXPLODED on offense immediately following his departure.
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Blast away if you like, but Cam is an offensive genius, helped this Team in a tremedous way and deserves a ring.

That said, he is an unimaginative play caller and as stubborn as they come. Just not the complete package.
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It shouldn't be a question whether he gets one or not. He was with this team the majority of the season, he's helped alot while holding us back at the same time.

If we fired last season then HELL NO. But that's not the case.
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[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1360345398' post='1350366']
I guess cool, but its not likes its a ring that wont be tainted for him. No one is every going to really consider it a valid ring, considering we EXPLODED on offense immediately following his departure.
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You gave me a way to accept this. It is not a valid ring.

They should cubic zirconia in Cam's ring.
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[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1360345398' post='1350366']
I guess cool, but its not likes its a ring that wont be tainted for him. No one is every going to really consider it a valid ring, considering we EXPLODED on offense immediately following his departure.
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This is very true
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[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1360345398' post='1350366']
I guess cool, but its not likes its a ring that wont be tainted for him. No one is every going to really consider it a valid ring, considering we EXPLODED on offense immediately following his departure.
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Eh, I don't think anyone would view it as "invalid". Receiving the ring validates his involvement in the success of the 2012 Ravens. Sure, everyone knows we improved after he left, but they also know we would not have been there were it not for his work. Like I said previously, offensive genius, terrible, unimaginative play caller.
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[quote name='T3hRaven' timestamp='1360346214' post='1350375']
You gave me a way to accept this. It is not a valid ring.

They should cubic zirconia in Cam's ring.
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He'll still probably meet Obama with us though haha. And lol
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[quote name='awholelottahaloti' timestamp='1360346294' post='1350378']
Eh, I don't think anyone would view it as "invalid". Receiving the ring validates his involvement in the success of the 2012 Ravens. Sure, everyone knows we improved after he left, but they also know we would not have been there were it not for his work. Like I said previously, offensive genius, terrible, unimaginative play caller.
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But Cameron probably knows that if he was still with us we wouldn't be there. And for the fact that we won it, and he didn't experience all the festivities.

If I was a player (Like Webb or McBean) and my team won it while I was hurt, there would definitely be an asterisk there for me when I look back on it. Not so much Webb because he put his work in, and he's one of the best. But just because I couldn't play in the big game.
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[quote name='awholelottahaloti' timestamp='1360346294' post='1350378']


Eh, I don't think anyone would view it as "invalid". Receiving the ring validates his involvement in the success of the 2012 Ravens. Sure, everyone knows we improved after he left, but they also know we would not have been there were it not for his work. Like I said previously, offensive genius, terrible, unimaginative play caller.
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I think it is the very definition of invalid, in that we are essentially gifting him one due to his length of tenure with the team and relationship with John prior to getting s-canned! I truly feel we would have missed the SB if it were not for his firing.
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I understand the distaste for him because of his coaching, but I don't understand how some people can say they don't like him. Cam is a great person. Anyone remember the My Wish story about him meeting with a kid with leukemia, and what he did for the kid. Cam Cameron absolutely deserves a SB ring. He was key in Flacco's career until Flacco outgrew his offense. While we may not have won with him, he was a major factor in where we were as a playoff team THIS year, even though he wasnt with the team for its run.
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[quote name='bdravens' timestamp='1360350586' post='1350459']
I understand the distaste for him because of his coaching, but I don't understand how some people can say they don't like him. Cam is a great person. Anyone remember the My Wish story about him meeting with a kid with leukemia, and what he did for the kid. Cam Cameron absolutely deserves a SB ring. He was key in Flacco's career until Flacco outgrew his offense. While we may not have won with him, he was a major factor in where we were as a playoff team THIS year, [b]even though he wasnt with the team for its run.[/b[
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The off the field stuff is great, but we're not talking about that.

The bolded part - Would there have been a "run" with Cam, is my main gripe? Sadly for him, I think the answer is no and clearly the FO thinks that as well.
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[b] Report: Cam Cameron to be new OC for LSU [/b]

Bleacher Report tells me things that baffle me sometimes :S
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[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1360347674' post='1350402']
I think it is the very definition of invalid, in that we are essentially gifting him one due to his length of tenure with the team and relationship with John prior to getting s-canned! I truly feel we would have missed the SB if it were not for his firing.
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Agreed. The play calling probably would have doomed us. But would we have gotten there without CCs coaching and offense? Maybe so, but he does deserve some credit. After all, Caldwell sure didn't have to start from scratch.
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[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1360351692' post='1350478']


The off the field stuff is great, but we're not talking about that.

The bolded part - Would there have been a "run" with Cam, is my main gripe? Sadly for him, I think the answer is no and clearly the FO thinks that as well.
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I gotcha, I was just saying that I understood why people thought he didn't deserve one as a coach, but not why some people seem like it's personal.

I agree, I don't think we would've made it here with him this year. However, we were a drop away from him calling us to a Super Bowl last year - even though Flacco's play was stellar. So I believe that, since he was a part of the team for a large part of the season and did well at times, he should get one.
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[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1360303345' post='1350090']
You weren't impressed with the Giants game? As much as Caldwell did use the exact same playbook, Caldwell also simplified things to get Joe easy completions, found ways to scheme against press man etc. The pass protection issue certainly helped but we had the exact same Oline last year if you swap Osemele with Grubbs and Cameron still left something to be desired.

Cam deserves a ring, there's no question about that in my mind. This was his offense since 2008 and Cam was really the first OCoord that we had who knew how to score some points (also the first one working with a real QB), Cam deserves a ring more than dudes on the practice squad.
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Joe Flacco's game last year versus patriots is what I thought this season would be like but with the shuffling of the line, Flacco's decision making and play calling as well, it just never happened until we got into the playoffs this year.
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