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Cam Cameron is getting a ring

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neither do I, I wonder we can get a video or interview of him getting a ring, just like to hear what's he saying...
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He was completely instrumental to this playoff run

If he didn't suck so bad, we would be winning and Ray wouldnt have retired

If Ray's retirement was imminent, the team would have no cause to play for

If the team had no cause to play for, we wouldnt have cut him

If we wouldnt have cut him, Oher would still be on the left

If Oher were still on the left, receiver wouldnt have time to get open

If receivers dont have time to get open, Flacco doesnt hit Jacoby for a 70 yd td

If Flacco doesnt do that, He doesn't become a elite

If he doesnt become elite, we dont get a superbowl win
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I have a major problem with this. Cam Cameron actively tried to interfere with this team's success. Ineptitude should not be rewarded.

Participation trophies are bad enough in youth sports, giving out participation Lombardi rings just cheapens the value for people that were actually helpful.
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I've stated my feelings in the other thread but I will do so again, since a new thread was started. Cam deserves the ring he's getting. His flaw was being a horrendous play-caller. But he laid the foundation to our offense.

This is his offense, but there is a different (more effective) person calling the plays. Cam was instrumental in bringing in the pieces (either by draft or FA) that helped make this offense run. Jacoby Jones, Torrey Smith, Pitta. Cam had a big say in bringing these guys in to fit the Air Coryell.

And let's not deny the fact that two of his former QBs have gone on to win the SB. Sure he didn't coach them there. But perhaps his hard headiness actually helped make these QBs who they are post-Cam.
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Always liked Cam even when I thought he should've been fired. Glad he's getting a ring. He's been a good help over the years, too.
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[quote name='T3hRaven' timestamp='1360287538' post='1349763']
I have a major problem with this. Cam Cameron actively tried to interfere with this team's success.
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This isn't correct. He didn't "actively" interfere with anything. He was doing what he thought would bring success. He was wrong, but he didn't purposefully try to make us lose.
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[quote name='T3hRaven' timestamp='1360287538' post='1349763']
I have a major problem with this. Cam Cameron actively tried to interfere with this team's success. Ineptitude should not be rewarded.

Participation trophies are bad enough in youth sports, giving out participation Lombardi rings just cheapens the value for people that were actually helpful.
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Are you serious? How can you say that?!

We ran HIS offense. HIS offense, Caldwell might of called the plays but it was Cam's offense! Cam has his blame but Caldwell didn't impress me with the 3 remaining games after Cam's departure until (like I said all season) Bryant McKinnie returned to the line getting KO and Oher in their natural positions...
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Also, I appreciate how he didn't become a distraction. He came out and said he supported the move. He didn't point fingers are slander our guys when he had the chance.

He also has good relationships with the people on this team.
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Poor Cam.
People forget how dramatically our offense improved when he became our OC.
Simple reality is he plateaued. He still did a fairly decent job at that. Not stellar.

I am glad he got a ring. He earned it and he deserves it. He has dealt with the firing with complete and total class.

Like it or not Cam IS a RAVEN.
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[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1360288328' post='1349775']
I've stated my feelings in the other thread but I will do so again, since a new thread was started. Cam deserves the ring he's getting. His flaw was being a horrendous play-caller. But he laid the foundation to our offense.

This is his offense, but there is a different (more effective) person calling the plays. Cam was instrumental in bringing in the pieces (either by draft or FA) that helped make this offense run. Jacoby Jones, Torrey Smith, Pitta. Cam had a big say in bringing these guys in to fit the Air Coryell.

And let's not deny the fact that two of his former QBs have gone on to win the SB. Sure he didn't coach them there. But perhaps his hard headiness actually helped make these QBs who they are post-Cam.
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Not to mention that his style of play calling does help with the development of young QBs. It allows them to play football and concentrate on basics. Relieves some of the pressure. He just had a major issue with relinquishing the control when it was time. Oh and his predictable beyond belief play calling.

He needed to be fired for us to get where we are but he also deserves a ring.
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[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1360288593' post='1349782']
[size=4]We ran HIS offense. HIS offense, Caldwell might of called the plays but it was Cam's offense! Cam has his blame but Caldwell didn't impress me with the 3 remaining games after Cam's departure until (like I said all season) Bryant McKinnie returned to the line getting KO and Oher in their natural positions...[/size]
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Bunch, stack, motion, short passing: things we never saw with Cam. Caldwell might have been using the expanded version of the Cam playbook, but in no way was that Cam's offense. Things were done after his departure that were never done before, or at least not consistently, and that's more than enough for me to believe that it wasn't really his offense.
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good for him. it's the right thing to do! but don't get it twisted...had he still been here, we wouldn't be celebrating our incredible playoff run that was capped off by a Superbowl Championship and our QB...Joe Flacco being the MVP! lol!

~Mili
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[quote name='T3hRaven' timestamp='1360291752' post='1349843']
Bunch, stack, motion, short passing: things we never saw with Cam. Caldwell might have been using the expanded version of the Cam playbook, but in no way was that Cam's offense. Things were done after his departure that were never done before, or at least not consistently, and that's more than enough for me to believe that it wasn't really his offense.
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Because he had to use extra guys in pass protection....
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I think we'll be better next season without him, but I think it's great that he's getting one. You constantly hear teams talking about how the end of the season is just the result of everything that's happened all the way back to OTA's. Just as everybody in IR and the practice squad gets a ring, Cam was with us more than he wasn't, and deserves one, too.
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Well, if Cam is getting a ring (for holding Joe back the last 5 years), then could I get one too? ...Caldwell took the straightjacket off.
Naw really, he may deserve one if the staff approves.
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[i][font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif]Like most, I couldn't stand Cam as a play-caller, but after I read the interview with him about his being released and his thoughts on the team making a Super Bowl run -- I can't help but admire the guy. He was instrumental to our success for the last five-years, glad to see he is being rewarded for laying the foundation to our offense. I still wish him the best, wherever he lands.[/font][/i]
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[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1360288593' post='1349782']
Are you serious? How can you say that?!

We ran HIS offense. HIS offense, Caldwell might of called the plays but it was Cam's offense! Cam has his blame but Caldwell didn't impress me with the 3 remaining games after Cam's departure until (like I said all season) Bryant McKinnie returned to the line getting KO and Oher in their natural positions...
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You weren't impressed with the Giants game? As much as Caldwell did use the exact same playbook, Caldwell also simplified things to get Joe easy completions, found ways to scheme against press man etc. The pass protection issue certainly helped but we had the exact same Oline last year if you swap Osemele with Grubbs and Cameron still left something to be desired.

Cam deserves a ring, there's no question about that in my mind. This was his offense since 2008 and Cam was really the first OCoord that we had who knew how to score some points (also the first one working with a real QB), Cam deserves a ring more than dudes on the practice squad.
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Cam deserves it...
No questions asked, he was the first real good OC we had...

It's not that he was horrible,but we knew we needed an upgrade
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[quote name='Footman DCXLV' timestamp='1360302717' post='1350078']
[b]I think we'll be better next season without him,[/b] but I think it's great that he's getting one. You constantly hear teams talking about how the end of the season is just the result of everything that's happened all the way back to OTA's. Just as everybody in IR and the practice squad gets a ring, Cam was with us more than he wasn't, and deserves one, too.
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I think its going to be interesting. Caldwell is going to have a chance to install his own offense. Now does he veer away from our base (Air Coryell) or does he stick with the foundation that Cam laid that won us the SB?

Let's say he does install a 'fresh' offense in the offseason/TC with a significant amount of play changes, will it be as effective?

A lot of things for Caldwell to think about in the upcoming months.
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Cam Cameron deserves his ring. As much as I believe Caldwell has set Flacco free, the plays that Caldwell was calling was still Cam's plays, he was simply able to call Cam's plays better then Cam was. Besides, the team was just two seconds in the end zone in New England from going to the Superbowl with Cam as the OC.
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[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1360294956' post='1349911']
Because he had to use extra guys in pass protection....
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That's not a valid excuse. Using a short passing game would have helped get the ball out of Joe's hands faster, helping pass protection. Bunch and stack concepts would have helped receivers who are notoriously bad at beating man coverage to separate, helping get the ball out of Joe's hands faster. The things that Cam refused to do that Caldwell did do helped pass protection. Cam's constant go routes and long developing plays were a major reason we were always in such dire straits in terms of down and distance.
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Cam is great at developing quarterbacks, no question about it. And I've said many times he was instrumental in developing Joe. He was on the staff, deserves a ring. I don't believe we would have won the ring without firing him and changing the design of the offensive playcalling. But I don't have a problem with him receiving a Superbowl ring.
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Look at our offense in 2008 with Cam as OC with a rookie qb, and a fb as our go to running back. Compare it to the 2007 Offense under Brian Billick with a 5th year QB and Mcgahee who had a career year. Night and day.

We had the best offense in Ravens history this year. He deserves it.
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[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1360288776' post='1349783']
Also, I appreciate how he didn't become a distraction. He came out and said he supported the move. He didn't point fingers are slander our guys when he had the chance.

He also has good relationships with the people on this team.
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I agree with all this. When they let him go, he respectfully bowed out and it was done. I really don't think he could have been any classier about it.

I'm glad he's getting a ring. While I don't particularly agree with everything he did while he was with the team, I think he definitely deserves it.
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[quote name='JEEPercreepermd' timestamp='1360342758' post='1350335']
Look at our offense in 2008 with Cam as OC with a rookie qb, and a fb as our go to running back. Compare it to the 2007 Offense under Brian Billick with a 5th year QB and Mcgahee who had a career year. Night and day.

We had the best offense in Ravens history this year. He deserves it.
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It's a good system, he just isn't a gamer.
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