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[News] Late For Work 2/7: Ravens' 2013 Offseason Road Map

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Ngata gets MRI, Cameron gets a ring, Ray watches son sign, Steelers fan struggling.

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Who cares what Steelers fans think?! We are the best this year, so deal with it!! I do hope Haloti is ok, and I'm personally glad Cam gets a ring.
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It's a shame Cam's ring can't be sold and the money put towards the cap...But I guess he did put in the time...
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After the season the Ravens had the Sqeelers and Patriots are no longer a mental threat, the Browns and the Bengals are. I'm still waiting for Lamarr Woodley to apologize to Joe Flacco for a remark he made a few years ago about him " Joe Flacco will never win a Super Bowl in his lifetime " I've even went on his FaceBook page to tell him, cmon Lamarr be a man
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I still see Reed and Cary Williams as our two main cap casualties. Reed will want way too much money for a 34-year old, banged up safety (remeber: as brillaint and iconic as he's been in the Ravens' history, a new contract is never about the past, but the future. no player, including Reed should - and will - get a better contract because of his past. Mean, but it's that oft-mntioned "business side of football"), and as for Cary Williams, I think we have a good enough CB corpse without him. He could stay for cheaper, but he won't. Looking at his impressive INT's, I'm sure a franchise will throw the kind of money in Ozzie would never be willing to match - especially with the cap situation we're in.

Oh, and one more: though he isn't a free agent, I think Birk won't be here in August, either: I think he'll retire. That leaves us with Gradkowski at C.

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All this is just guessing, ( except the part about the Sqeelers hating us ,Ditto).
I think we need to have a little faith in the wizard of Ozz and see how things play out. The salary cap is a neccesary evil in the Nfl and nobody likes to lose a favorite player to it. I believe we have some wiggle room in the cap this year even with Joe getting the Big money as long as they don't franchise him, that would hurt us with the Cap. We all know what players need to stay to keep the team intact to make a run in 2013, and I think Mr.B and Ozzie will do the right thing and keep us competetive.
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[quote name='Berkeley_Raven' timestamp='1360248363' post='1349030']
It's a shame Cam's ring can't be sold and the money put towards the cap...But I guess he did put in the time...
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Couldn't disagree more: I think he fully deserves the ring. Not because he was a brilliant OC, of course - but he had his share in our eventual success.

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steelers fans are the worst. i hope they enjoyed the super bowl. next year we are coming to tie their championship number, every one of those dimwits seem to conveniently forget that the Ravens are not the only team that has ever played in Baltimore.
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Starts drinking coffee. Starts reading Late for Work. Sees Cam Cameron is getting a ring. Spits out coffee. Sees steeler fans struggling. Sigh of relief. I'm satisfied.
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[quote name='caw710' timestamp='1360249353' post='1349043']
All this is just guessing, ( except the part about the Sqeelers hating us ,Ditto).
I think we need to have a little faith in the wizard of Ozz and see how things play out. The salary cap is a neccesary evil in the Nfl and nobody likes to lose a favorite player to it. I believe we have some wiggle room in the cap this year even with Joe getting the Big money as long as they don't franchise him, that would hurt us with the Cap. We all know what players need to stay to keep the team intact to make a run in 2013, and I think Mr.B and Ozzie will do the right thing and keep us competetive.
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Well, I guss this is just about the Season of Guessing: the free agent moves, the retirements, the early trades, the draft forecasts - this time of the year is almost exclusively about guessing. I think we should brace ourselves for the usual sea of predictions, guesses and forecasts, about 90% of which won't be realized :)

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and Cam deserves a ring. He was here for a long time and played his part in getting this offense to where it is. I know Biscotti will agree with Harbaugh and give Cameron a ring, that is what classy organizations do. We certainly are a classy organization with a very classy owner.
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The real fun is to put all the "pundits" predictions about who we will/should let go/lose in free agency together... The last two weeks or so I've read that we should cut/trade (mainly for clearing up cap space) Boldin, Oher, McKinnie, Leach, Pierce, Pollard, Taylor, Dickson, Jimmy Smith, Graham - and these are only the ones I can remember...

And it'll go on like this until about Week#1.

Though, i have to say this one about parting ways with Leach is still the most idiotic one...

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Back in October, I was in the neighborhood CVS when a new employee (I'm enough of a regular that I know everyone who works there) sees me in a Ravens hoodie and starts talking smack about how bad the Ravens and their fans are. Surprise, surprise, he's a Steelers fan. So I ask him, "aren't you new here? And you're starting off by trying to antagonize the customers?" He looked confused, as if he couldn't understand why this should be an issue (or maybe he just didn't know what "antagonize" meant). When he still kept running his mouth, I told him, "look, I'm didn't come in to talk trash with the help", and walked away...
Week after week if I came into the store when he was in there, he would either have some remark about how the Ravens were going to lose the next game, or would simply be giving me the stink eye from a distance. Still, I stuck to my guns and didn't waste time on him...
So this week, of course, it was payback time! I've been in the CVS several times since the Super Bowl win, and every time decked out in different items of Ravens gear. I make it a point to go to this guy's register every time, never saying a word, no trash talking whatsoever, but making sure the glare of the purple, black, and gold was in his face every time. Last night I had the added bonus of coming in when he had two customers who were 49ers fans hanging out and commiserating over the Ravens' win and their shared angst at having to catch so much grief this week. Once again, I went to the Steeler fan/cashier's line, displaying my colors, nodded to the 49ers fans, and handled my business without a word, other than thank you when my transaction was complete. No words needed to be said; as I've said many times, I don't suit up, and I'm not on the field making plays, therefore I'm not going to be crowing and talking trash over games whose outcomes I had no control over. But you better believe, I'm going to show my Ravens pride and celebrate all I want - but I'll do it with class, unlike Mr. Cashier/Steelers backer...
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[quote name='ravens2thebowl' timestamp='1360249448' post='1349047']
steelers fans are the worst. i hope they enjoyed the super bowl. next year we are coming to tie their championship number, every one of those dimwits seem to conveniently forget that the Ravens are not the only team that has ever played in Baltimore.
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I have one here at work, whose refrain to everything is "six rings, six rings". As I told him, four of those rings were won in the 1970s, well before the Ravens' existence. Since the Ravens arrived in Baltimore, they and the Steelers have the same number of titles -two. So save the "six rings" nonsense...
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[quote name='bioLarzen' timestamp='1360249442' post='1349046']


Couldn't disagree more: I think he fully deserves the ring. Not because he was a brilliant OC, of course - but he had his share in our eventual success.

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Provide examples. This is Cam Cameron's body of work, in my mind:

1) Got Jim Zorn fired as QB coach when Joe failed to develop.

2) Failed to produce an original, effective game plan for road games.

3) Got fired. One bad game from Caldwell, then a Giant's blowout, a meaningless Bengals game, and you know the rest.

I don't believe for one second the Ravens would have gotten as far in the postseason as they did if Cam were around. My opinion is still that the Ravens succeeded despite Cam.
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I really hope that we sign Flacco before the deadline. In order to do this, there must be some sacrifices made. The franchise tag is a deadly hit on our salary cap. We all loved Ed Reed and pulled for him to finally get his Super Bowl ring. Still from strictly a financial standpoint, it would make sense to part with him similar to the way that Heap and Mason did. Williams is another one that will probably go. Kruger has played well with Suggs out, just not consistantly good enough to warrant the kind of money that will be available in free agency. Just hearing Cameron's name makes me cringe. We still hate the Steelers no matter how many of them cheered for us in Super Bowl. That's who I want to see at home in the Thursday night opener. If you feel me on this, then let me know!
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We have the best front offices in the business, we questioned what they were thinking with letting Johnson, Redding and Grubbs go and we watched the next man step up, and we watched rookie's step up and they all helped this team and we won a Super Bowl without all of those players who we couldn't "afford" to lose (not only monetary). I have all the faith in the world in the Ravens FO, that they will make the best business decision availabel and put the best Ravens team on the field next season, as they have done since 1996!!!!
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Steelers dont like the fact Ravens Nation has taken over AFC North. The Bengals have taken over second place and the Browns are aiming for 3rd. Where does that put Pitt?
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I was pulling for the Ravens too! Where's my ring? As far as Cam getting a ring, it leaves a bad taste in my mouth, he got fired! Give it to him - he's history!

Glad to hear that the stock in keeping "Q" has risen! Hope we find a way to keep Vonte!

Really glad to see the stats support saying "Sayonara" to Cary in favor of Corey (Graham)! Cary always plays soft and the !st down stats against says it all!!!
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Does anyone know what Rays son said that made Ray facepalm? The stupid guy talking wouldn't shut up. --Real happy that Ray got to do this with him a champion.
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Ravens are the best for 2012, and It already is starting to be 2013. I would love to see Ed Reed Retire a raven. I also would like to see Suggs get a little more of a thank you for comming back this year after the torn achilles. Without him we don't win.
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Personally I don't think the Ravens will re-sign Cary Williams-- and they shouldn't. Besides not being very sound fundamentally, Williams is a hothead who will get further out of hand with more success. My heart sank into my stomach when he shoved the official-- I really thought he was going to get ejected; but when the official did not throw his cap I figured he might have gotten a pass. That game would have unraveled at that point. So he goes on and gives up a TD to Crabtree where he fails to wrap the guy up...? I can understand Reed and Pollard not being able to wrap up and tackle-- they were dealing with serious injuries, Williams on the other hand loses focus a lot more than you'd care to see.
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All i have heard this week is we got 6, well thats fine. We have just as many as the steelers since we became a franchise, so im satisfied.

I think out of Williams, Ellerbe, Reed, and Kruger, we have to bring back Ellerbe and Kruger. They will be crucial to us. Kruger came on down the stretch this season, and with a healthy T-sizzle, he could have a great year. Ellerbe was one of our best defenders, so its a no question that he has to come back and replace Ray. Graham and Smith can take over for Williams, honestly we all know he isn't a big money type guy. I think our starters will be Graham and Webb anyway next season, so Cary Williams can walk.

It will be a tough situation on Reed, I don't think we can give him the money he wants. I think Ozzie will put an offer on the table, and if he doesn't take it then he walks.

I really hope we can sign Flacco before the Tag deadline. We need as much cap as we can get....
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I think Cary will walk. Remember we still have Webb (our shutdown corner) and jimmy smith whos has had a slow start but I think he will get it going and become shutdown as well. Lets not forget about Chykie Brown. Shows great promise. Kruger and Ellerbe are a must!
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[quote name='Berkeley_Raven' timestamp='1360250059' post='1349058']
Provide examples. This is Cam Cameron's body of work, in my mind:

1) Got Jim Zorn fired as QB coach when Joe failed to develop.

2) Failed to produce an original, effective game plan for road games.

3) Got fired. One bad game from Caldwell, then a Giant's blowout, a meaningless Bengals game, and you know the rest.

I don't believe for one second the Ravens would have gotten as far in the postseason as they did if Cam were around. My opinion is still that the Ravens succeeded despite Cam.
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Caldwell didnt reimplement the offense, it was the same one Cameron left here, with some adjustments in this place or the other.
To be real about the situation, even after Cam got fired, Caldwell's biggest impact on the offense was still as a QB coach. a lot of what made the Ravens offense pop down this stretch was improved pocket presence and mobility on Joe's part...things Cam previously hadn't encouraged much.
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[quote name='ravens2thebowl' timestamp='1360249693' post='1349051']
and Cam deserves a ring. He was here for a long time and played his part in getting this offense to where it is. I know Biscotti will agree with Harbaugh and give Cameron a ring, that is what classy organizations do. We certainly are a classy organization with a very classy owner.
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Yes, Cam's been here for a long time but he had the fan base (and the locker room) charged and polarized!

It sort of feels like allowing the ex-wife to keep the family dog at the divorce hearing but give him the ring as a parting gesture! Good riddance!
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[quote name='J.O.14' timestamp='1360251976' post='1349095']
All i have heard this week is we got 6, well thats fine. We have just as many as the steelers since we became a franchise, so im satisfied.
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I just ask em what happened in the Steelers first 17 (or 40) years.
room gets quiet after that...except the occasional idiot who tries to act like the 95 Browns were major contributors to our success
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[quote name='roamingcharges' timestamp='1360251726' post='1349091']
Personally I don't think the Ravens will re-sign Cary Williams-- and they shouldn't. Besides not being very sound fundamentally, Williams is a hothead who will get further out of hand with more success. My heart sank into my stomach when he shoved the official-- I really thought he was going to get ejected; but when the official did not throw his cap I figured he might have gotten a pass. That game would have unraveled at that point. So he goes on and gives up a TD to Crabtree where he fails to wrap the guy up...? I can understand Reed and Pollard not being able to wrap up and tackle-- they were dealing with serious injuries, Williams on the other hand loses focus a lot more than you'd care to see.
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holy contradictions, batman!
If you dont even think we should resign him now, why would you care (or think the game would unravel) if he got ejected?

And that Crabtree touchdown was not soley Cary's fault, Two men tackled him (or attempted to). Injuries are irrelevant when its a gang tackle, they both failed.
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Congrats to Ray's son, Good luck to cary williams and paul kruger in there travels. keep ed he will take a pay cut (praying).as for steelers fans here's hoping the browns sign flynn or smith and your butts will fall to the bottom of the division. then i can gloat even more.
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Cam totally deserves a ring. People think there was a sea-change after he was fired, but they were just subtle tweaks to a good system. Shows you how close we always were! We were 9-3 when he was fired. Not too shabby, people! He's a good guy!
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We need to keep Reed, Ellerbe and Kruger. Ive always said cam has a great offensive mind/playbook. On the other hand his play calling was terrible! Glad to have caldwell calling plays. Wonder if he will install some of his own plays?
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[quote name='Berkeley_Raven' timestamp='1360250059' post='1349058']
Provide examples. This is Cam Cameron's body of work, in my mind:

1) Got Jim Zorn fired as QB coach when Joe failed to develop.

2) Failed to produce an original, effective game plan for road games.

3) Got fired. One bad game from Caldwell, then a Giant's blowout, a meaningless Bengals game, and you know the rest.

I don't believe for one second the Ravens would have gotten as far in the postseason as they did if Cam were around. My opinion is still that the Ravens succeeded despite Cam.
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Examples:

- W in Pittsburgh;
- W against the Pats
- 31 points against the pats in said game
- W in SD
- 9:4 with him this season

Point made?

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PS: BTW, what's your claim of Cameron making Zorn get fired based on? That's a rather bold accusation...
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In my opinion Cary can walk... I would love to have Reed back but only at the right price... As far as Kruger goes yes he should be a priority for sure! But if he does walk it wont be the end of the world. (we still have Hamilton on the practice squad for a pass rusher. Cant wait to see what he brings to the table!) Ellerbe is the one we have to get back! The guy is a beast!!!
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This is the long boring part i hate...all the speculation about cuts and calculations and worrying over cash.

Hope this all works itself out fast, i dont have a lot of patience for this stuff.

Ellerbe goes no where, Reed just might.
I still think Kruger's the most vulnerable, he can be replaced by Upshaw if we need to.
Cary stays unless they find something they really like at CB early in the draft (upper 3rd round or sooner), in which case, i think they may keep Kruger over him.
That first down surrender stat is a load of bull though, no part of this defense stopped anybody between the 20s, that's reality. The only time our Defense was effective was in the red zone, and the only secondary liability i've seen in the redzone all season is Chykie Brown.

Forgot about Vonta, he is making pretty nice change.
That'll be a tough decision, Vonta is more than just a blocker in this defense and even as that is very important. but that could also be a reason he goes, they might try and go for a more athletic (Marcel Reece, James Casey like) FB/TE hybrid type guy to fit that void, or maybe start using Dickson in the backfield more.
I think it depends on what happens with the Oline...with Oher on the right and KO developing into a pretty nice guard (Justin Smith was his primary assignment in the super bowl mind you) i think the O line is strong enough to get the push Rice and Pierce need on their own, especially if we find a way to upgrade at Center, Birk is up there. If that happens, i can see us letting Leach go.
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ravens will lose williams & krueger in free agency.but we have depth at both positions
Birk will retire.
bobbie will be cut.
JJ, Q, Leach will sign extension to lower their cap hit.
reed might leave for $$, he's has 2yrs left in tank.
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[quote name='Purpleghost23' timestamp='1360252574' post='1349109']
what is the name of the song when ray lewis enters on the sb celebration video????
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"Hot in Herrrre" by Nelly
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I know Caldwell was still using Cam's offense. But he did it much more effectively. Cam was Run-Run-Pass-Punt almost exclusively. He either used Rice too much, or not at all. And he never got Joe moving around. Caldwell not only did what you said, but he made changes based on what the opposing defense was showing him, and got positive results. I can count on one hand the number of times Cam did any of that. What good is Cam's playbook when he does not use it to its' fullest?

[quote name='bioLarzen' timestamp='1360253371' post='1349125']
Examples:

- W in Pittsburgh;
- W against the Pats
- 31 points against the pats in said game
- W in SD
- 9:4 with him this season

Point made?

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PS: BTW, what's your claim of Cameron making Zorn get fired based on? That's a rather bold accusation...
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Which win in Pittsburgh? This past year, when a special teams' TD was the difference against a banged-up Leftwich? Or last year, when he finally let Joe air it out on the last drive of the game?

The win against the Pats was at home. I addressed Cam's lack of ability to produce a potent offense on the road. Think the Ravens would have won that game if it were in Foxborough?

Ray Rice won the game in SD. He was the check-down on that play. He earned 28 of those yards on his own, with Q helping pick up the last one. Cam's play calling until that point was ineffective.

9-4, true, but a loss at home to Pittsburgh (against Charlie Batch, no less). No TDs against the Chiefs, of all teams, on the road. Blown-out by the Texans in Houston. Only win against the Cowboys because of poor clock management on their part. And then the loss against the Redskins. The only quality game I believe Cam contributed this year was the 55 we put on the Raiders.

I will admit that my claim about Zorn might have been more of an insinuation than fact. But Flacco and Zorn had a rapport, we were hearing nothing but good things about their relationship, and then he's gone when the offense is not producing as expected. I am not the only one that thought that was a little fishy, the comments from back then show that.

But, whatever. Agree to disagree. I'm just of the opinion that Cam was hired to do a specific job. And he didn't do that. Most anywhere else, when someone gets fired, then the company succeeds, that person's not considered a part of that success. We're all still fans of this team at the end of the day, and don't always have to agree.
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we need to trade up not down and get big difference maker on d fence. keep kruger and ellerbe let reed and williams go.
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Cam was pretty good at what he did, and obviously had a pretty good playbook. He just had two downfalls; Not being in sync with Flacco's "Rythm" and bad time of possesion numbers.
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O and btw. Let Williams and Kruger walk. Having Suggs and Upshaw out there is more than enough pass rush, and our run defense will be back to where it should be.

Keep Reed and Ellerbe please.
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[quote name='CalvinSmoke' timestamp='1360255774' post='1349174']
Cam was pretty good at what he did, and obviously had a pretty good playbook. He just had two downfalls; Not being in sync with Flacco's "Rythm" and bad time of possesion numbers.
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Cam displayed no imagination and was too slow getting plays in!

The first thing Joe and the offense said about Jim Caldwell was how fast they got the plays to him so that he had more time to survey the defense and Birk had time to set the blocking!

I would say that's huge!

Alas, he got a ring and he's gone! No longer our problem!
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Amen! To think what people were saying just weeks ago, heck, even last week. Not many people last week thought Cam should be getting a ring, now it's a different story...
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[quote name='Berkeley_Raven' timestamp='1360256622' post='1349201']
Amen! To think what people were saying just weeks ago, heck, even last week. Not many people last week thought Cam should be getting a ring, now it's a different story...
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I hear ya! Worth my plus!

Bottom line,... he's no longer our problem and we're on top of the NFL Universe!
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so do all the players including practice squad get rings or only players that were active for the superbowl.
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