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The Tables Have Turned Ravens Nation...

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The youth of our team (outside of the occasional veteran, Reed, Suggs, Birk, Ngata) is the potential starter of a dynasty out here in the AFC with the competition being

A Pats team minus Brady in a few years

A Broncos team minus Manning in a few years

A Texans Team that does not show up in the playoffs

A Cinci team with an overrated offense

A potential up and coming Browns team

A potential up and coming Colts team (they gonna be scary good in a few years if Luck pans out)

And a Steeler team that prob won't even make the playoffs next year......

So, the power might have turned to us here in the AFC. I do not think we will get the first or second seed tho. Our D will not be as strong as it as been in past years. And, we get a tougher scheduel than the rest of the NFL. What's changed right?


Other than that, this will be an era of offense for Bmore. All we needed this year was a mediocre D in order to win it all. Now, that young, potential up and coming D, has SB experience, and most of those players (Cept, Reed, Ngata, Suggs, and maybe Webb and Pollard) have not even hit their ceilings yet. Our D will at least be solid at worst.

But Bmore might have the best offense in the game. Here is why
[list=1]
[*]They have one of the best young QB's ever to play the game.....
[/list]

YOUNG QBs. Not all time great, yet. That is his ceiling.

Flacco has got all the physical tools to be a QB who can take over a game. He is about to enter his prime being the most winning QB in NFL history for his first five years, having a SB under his belt, and winning the MVP. His inconsistancies were the result of a Cam Cameron offense. Flacco is one of the 5 best QBs in the game, and has earned his elite status.

No questions asked. He had the greatest postseason for a QB ever in the last ten years, has the physical tools, has the intellegence, is in the right system now, has enough firepower to support him. And, there is only one QB in the NFL I would trust more in the clutch than Flacco (Peyton, for now). He has the IT factor. One of the few QBs in the NFL to have it.

Teams are going to have their hands full with trying to prepare for Flacco, but, things will become nightmarish when they see our Nuclear Bomb, he has at his disposal (he is after all the general)

2. They have one of the best all around players in the game behind him, in Ray Rice.

Ray Rice is the second best back in the NFL. While his running leaves a lot to be desired, he is far and away the best recieving back in the game. He is a home run threat, and a workhorse back, who teams used to prepare for. Now that Flacco has made his presence felt, teams are going to have to pick their poison in who they want to stop.

It is either get burned by Rice, or get shot down by Flacco. Pick your area of defeat. We are the only team in the NFL with an elite QB, and an elite RB. The Generals right hand man, is one that defenses fear.

3. American Express, Dreads, and Q, and our "Tiny Dancer (we really need cool nicknames for Torrey and Jacoby)"

American express is a top 5 TE. He has proven it. Has some of the best hands in all of football. HE, not Boldin, is Flacco's security blanket. He is talented enough to disrupt teams over the middle.

Flacco also has a tactical advantage here. He has TWO wideouts who can singlehandedly (no pun intended) take over a game.
Boldin did it vs NE,
Torrey did it vs DEN.
Jacoby Makes one hell of a WR 3.

These four weapons, along with General "Bazooka Joe" Flacco, and Rice, are ones that embarassed the leagues best D, far and away.


The offense will be potent next season Ravens fans. You can take away Rice, you can take away Joe, but you cannot take away both of them at once. This alone, will take us to the postseason, and make us serious contenders.

IF, we want to repeat (which is highly unlikley, but hey, we play better with this crap right?) we will need to

Resign Mckinnie, and take a LT to groom behind him.
Resign Ellerbe and Reed.

Improve Defensivley, see the other thread I made.

And draft defensivley (with the occasional offensive player).

I do not think there is a D in the NFL capable of stopping our offense. The One Two punch at QB-RB will be hard to stop. But Ravens fans, I will say it (I have been right this postseaon haven't I?), I think we got a dynasty on our hands.

We are young enough to win a few more championships.
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Look I love Pitta. But he is not a top 5 TE. The only really elite talent on our offense is Yanda, Flacco and Rice.
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[quote name='izvoodoo' timestamp='1360207530' post='1348701']
Look I love Pitta. But he is not a top 5 TE. The only really elite talent on our offense is Yanda, Flacco and Rice.
[/quote]

Pitta does have elite hands though. I can't remember more than a few drops in is career up to this point.
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[quote name='izvoodoo' timestamp='1360207530' post='1348701']
Look I love Pitta. But he is not a top 5 TE. The only really elite talent on our offense is Yanda, Flacco and Rice.
[/quote]No but Pitta is definItely top 10. Torrey is an Elite deep threat. Boldin is an elite possession reciever.
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[quote name='Mr. Irrelevant' timestamp='1360206719' post='1348692']
The youth of our team (outside of the occasional veteran, Reed, Suggs, Birk, Ngata) is the potential starter of a dynasty out here in the AFC with the competition being

A Pats team minus Brady in a few years

A Broncos team minus Manning in a few years

A Texans Team that does not show up in the playoffs

A Cinci team with an overrated offense

A potential up and coming Browns team

A potential up and coming Colts team (they gonna be scary good in a few years if Luck pans out)

And a Steeler team that prob won't even make the playoffs next year......

So, the power might have turned to us here in the AFC. I do not think we will get the first or second seed tho. Our D will not be as strong as it as been in past years. And, we get a tougher scheduel than the rest of the NFL. What's changed right?


Other than that, this will be an era of offense for Bmore. All we needed this year was a mediocre D in order to win it all. Now, that young, potential up and coming D, has SB experience, and most of those players (Cept, Reed, Ngata, Suggs, and maybe Webb and Pollard) have not even hit their ceilings yet. Our D will at least be solid at worst.

But Bmore might have the best offense in the game. Here is why
[list=1]
[*]They have one of the best young QB's ever to play the game.....
[/list]

YOUNG QBs. Not all time great, yet. That is his ceiling.

Flacco has got all the physical tools to be a QB who can take over a game. He is about to enter his prime being the most winning QB in NFL history for his first five years, having a SB under his belt, and winning the MVP. His inconsistancies were the result of a Cam Cameron offense. Flacco is one of the 5 best QBs in the game, and has earned his elite status.

No questions asked. He had the greatest postseason for a QB ever in the last ten years, has the physical tools, has the intellegence, is in the right system now, has enough firepower to support him. And, there is only one QB in the NFL I would trust more in the clutch than Flacco (Peyton, for now). He has the IT factor. One of the few QBs in the NFL to have it.

Teams are going to have their hands full with trying to prepare for Flacco, but, things will become nightmarish when they see our Nuclear Bomb, he has at his disposal (he is after all the general)

2. They have one of the best all around players in the game behind him, in Ray Rice.

Ray Rice is the second best back in the NFL. While his running leaves a lot to be desired, he is far and away the best recieving back in the game. He is a home run threat, and a workhorse back, who teams used to prepare for. Now that Flacco has made his presence felt, teams are going to have to pick their poison in who they want to stop.

It is either get burned by Rice, or get shot down by Flacco. Pick your area of defeat. We are the only team in the NFL with an elite QB, and an elite RB. The Generals right hand man, is one that defenses fear.

3. American Express, Dreads, and Q, and our "Tiny Dancer (we really need cool nicknames for Torrey and Jacoby)"

American express is a top 5 TE. He has proven it. Has some of the best hands in all of football. HE, not Boldin, is Flacco's security blanket. He is talented enough to disrupt teams over the middle.

Flacco also has a tactical advantage here. He has TWO wideouts who can singlehandedly (no pun intended) take over a game.
Boldin did it vs NE,
Torrey did it vs DEN.
Jacoby Makes one hell of a WR 3.

These four weapons, along with General "Bazooka Joe" Flacco, and Rice, are ones that embarassed the leagues best D, far and away.


The offense will be potent next season Ravens fans. You can take away Rice, you can take away Joe, but you cannot take away both of them at once. This alone, will take us to the postseason, and make us serious contenders.

IF, we want to repeat (which is highly unlikley, but hey, we play better with this crap right?) we will need to

Resign Mckinnie, and take a LT to groom behind him.
Resign Ellerbe and Reed.

Improve Defensivley, see the other thread I made.

And draft defensivley (with the occasional offensive player).

I do not think there is a D in the NFL capable of stopping our offense. The One Two punch at QB-RB will be hard to stop. But Ravens fans, I will say it (I have been right this postseaon haven't I?), I think we got a dynasty on our hands.

We are young enough to win a few more championships.
[/quote]You honestly trust Peyton "I choke in the playoffs" Manning more than Joe Cool in the clutch?
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[quote name='JohnnyBoy8102' timestamp='1360208004' post='1348709']
Pitta does have elite hands though. I can't remember more than a few drops in is career up to this point.
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I feel like we like we over rate our players. Most fans though.

Agreed Torrey is an elite deep threat. Absolute fear of god.
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[quote name='izvoodoo' timestamp='1360208487' post='1348723']

I feel like we like we over rate our players. Most fans though.

Agreed Torrey is an elite deep threat. Absolute fear of god.
[/quote]We do to a degree but Pitta actually does have some of the best hands in the NFL. Ya there is no arguing over Torrey not being an elite deep threat Lol he smoked Champ Bailey multiple times. That's quite the feat for any reciever not named Calvin Johnson Jr.
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[quote name='Miami Hurricane' timestamp='1360208640' post='1348727']
We do to a degree but Pitta actually does have some of the best hands in the NFL. Ya there is no arguing over Torrey not being an elite deep threat Lol he smoked Champ Bailey multiple times. That's quite the feat for any reciever not named Calvin Johnson Jr.
[/quote]
Who would you say is up there?

Wallace, Smith, Desean Jackson?
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I don't know about the whole dynasty talk. Let's just enjoy this win and work on our team and see where it takes us. One game at a time.

The AFC is very competitive and the landscape is changing all the time.

Texans are getting in their playoff experience. Colts are gaining a young upstart team. Steelers and Pats always Draft well. The Bengals have some great young pieces. Broncos are stacked across the board.
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[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]You've got Joe, who just doesn't seem to have a ceiling after this playoff run.[/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]Then you've got Rice, easily a top-5 (top-3) running back. Not to mention, we were very fortunate to pick up Pierce.[/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]Pitta, easily top-10 on his way to being a top-5 TE in the league. Dickson, HUGE in the Super Bowl.[/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]Boldin, Smith and Jones, no arguments there. Streeter & Doss, if they aren't already, need to be taking notes.[/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]McKinnie, Yanda and Oher doing really well up front (KEEP IT THAT WAY!). I'm anxious to see how Gradkowski fills Birk's role.[/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]Defensively... Where do you start and where do you end? Ngata, Kemoeatu, Cody, Jones & McPhee up front. Suggs, Ellerbe, Kruger, Upshaw and McClellan. Then you've got Graham, Smith, Ihedigbo, Williams, Brown, Pollard, Considine, Webb and Reed.[/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]You've got one of the better punters in the league in Koch and a young clutch kicker in Tucker.[/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]It'll be interesting to see who stays, who goes, who we have to let go and who we can acquire -- but even with eighty-percent of that core group -- I think we stand a good chance of repeating next season.[/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]I know it's early, but I was calling for a Super Bowl win before the playoffs started just because the energy going in felt totally different. Turns out, I was right.[/i][/font]
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[quote name='izvoodoo' timestamp='1360207530' post='1348701']
Look I love Pitta. But he is not a top 5 TE. The only really elite talent on our offense is Yanda, Flacco and Rice.
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I'd call Boldin an elite WR.
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[quote name='izvoodoo' timestamp='1360208770' post='1348730']

Who would you say is up there?

Wallace, Smith, Desean Jackson?
[/quote]In terms of deep threats I would hesitate on Wallace only because he drops a LOT of passes. I would say my top 5/6 would be Smith, D-Jax, D.Thomas, CJ, and Julio Jones/AJ Green.
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I despise the term "IT factor" even more than calling people elite.

Also, trusting Manning in the clutch (the same Manning with more postseason losses than any QB in history) over Flacco seems kinda...odd

Oh yeah, we also have had a mini-dynasty for five years now. Three AFCCG in five years is -- gangsta!! (do the kids still use that word? if not, I'm bringing it back!)
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[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1360209520' post='1348752']
I despise the term "IT factor" even more than calling people elite.

Also, trusting Manning in the clutch (the same Manning with more postseason losses than any QB in history) over Flacco seems kinda...odd

Oh yeah, we also have had a mini-dynasty for five years now. Three AFCCG in five years is -- gangsta!! (do the kids still use that word? if not, I'm bringing it back!)
[/quote]Gangsta is more the mid 20's age group as far as I can tell...
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I'm 26 and I've never referred to anything as gangsta, maybe I just don't hang with that crowd though
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[quote name='Medications' timestamp='1360209943' post='1348764']
I'm 26 and I've never referred to anything as gangsta, maybe I just don't hang with that crowd though
[/quote]There's always some outliers....
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I don't think our schedule is that bad.

We face the Bengals, Steelers, & Browns x 2 for 6 games. Dalton's good, Big Ben is good when healthy, & the Browns have a mystery at QB. They'll probably go with Weeden, but I see Richardson as the focal point there. We then face the AFCE, with Brady, Tannehill, and then whoever QBs the Jets or Bills. Both the Jets & Bills are big mysteries because we have no idea what happens there. Of course, we face the NFCN with Stafford, Ponder, Rodgers & Cutler. They have some good QBs there, of course. Schaub is overrated & Manning is always good.

Right now, it's impossible to predict anything because we:
1) Have no idea what we're facing; teams are still being set.
2) Have no idea when we are facing people; schedule is still being set.
3) Have no idea who will be here with us.

I like our chances at repeating, though. I'm not saying it's set in stone, but I think we have a good shot.
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[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1360209520' post='1348752']
I despise the term "IT factor" even more than calling people elite.

Also, trusting Manning in the clutch (the same Manning with more postseason losses than any QB in history) over Flacco seems kinda...odd

Oh yeah, we also have had a mini-dynasty for five years now. Three AFCCG in five years is -- gangsta!! (do the kids still use that word? if not, I'm bringing it back!)
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[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]I'm pretty sure it's "beast" these days.[/i][/font]
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[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1360209520' post='1348752']
I despise the term "IT factor" even more than calling people elite.

Also, trusting Manning in the clutch (the same Manning with more postseason losses than any QB in history) over Flacco seems kinda...odd

Oh yeah, we also have had a mini-dynasty for five years now. Three AFCCG in five years is -- gangsta!! (do the kids still use that word? if not, I'm bringing it back!)
[/quote]
I agree. And yes, very gangsta indeed. ;)
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I think with our base of young talent we'll be competing for years! After that it all depends on what time we get hot.

I think Joe will have his best year ever next season. We just got to fix our T situation long term, and some areas in defense and we'll be a top team every year. And I trust we'll do that with King Oz calling the shots.
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never count your chickens before they're hatched...... any given sunday..... this philosophy has proven true countless times... and should be taken into consideration........ its like all those analysts saying week after week " oh the Ravens cant do it, oh the Ravens will never do it again, its Manning, Its Brady, its the 49ers..." and you know just because a player is on a particular sideline...doesn't mean your going to win. this is the NFL lol any given sunday...any given sunday.
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Much credit to this offensive line Michael Oher and Big Bryant McKinnie I think these guys should function well for next remaining season..
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I don't know if the tables have turned but I do know this. Next time a Steeler fan chants "sixburgh" I can just smile and say, since 2000 we've both won 2 SB titles BUT the Ravens are undeafeated in the SB and the Steelers are not. :)
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As long as we've got Flacco, we're in contention and have the chance to win the SB... The rest wil be decided through 16 regular season games and 3/4 play offs games...
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[quote name='izvoodoo' timestamp='1360207530' post='1348701']
Look I love Pitta. But he is not a top 5 TE. The only really elite talent on our offense is Yanda, Flacco and Rice.
[/quote]

I disagree..

Witten
Gronk
Graham
Davis
Pitta
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[quote name='PurpleCorsair' timestamp='1360245183' post='1349003']
I disagree..

Witten
Gronk
Graham
Davis
Pitta
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Witten, Bennett and Miller are all more complete players than Pitta. And Hernandez, Cook, Gates, Gonzalez, Finley, Olsen, Rudoplh all are more dynamic pass-catchrs. Regardless, I love what Pitta brings to the team.
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[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1360245709' post='1349006']
Witten, Bennett and Miller are all more complete players than Pitta. And Hernandez, Cook, Gates, Gonzalez, Finley, Olsen, Rudoplh all are more dynamic pass-catchrs. Regardless, I love what Pitta brings to the team.
[/quote]

Gates has slowed down in a bad way.

Tony G if he's true to his word, is finished; though if he's not then he is still top 5.
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[quote name='PurpleCorsair' timestamp='1360246419' post='1349010']
Gates has slowed down in a bad way.

Tony G if he's true to his word, is finished; though if he's not then he is still top 5.
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He's not what he used but he still gives LBs as well as safeties more trouble than most TEs. Hi sstats would have been better had SD's overal offensive struggles.
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